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Steve T
12-07-2013, 10:43 AM
Inspired by the query about the Lark-nosed 56-7 Stude sedan...let's see some oddball "mutt" Studebakers. I haven't really got pix of any such myself except this one, sort of:

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/100_9333_zpsa3143fad.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/100_9333_zpsa3143fad.jpg.html)

1928 Stude sedan bodywork converted to two-seat roadster on modified Stude frame, supercharged Lark flathead six, rear body panel from roof of Barracuda! Wheels are 30s Dodge.

S.

jts359
12-07-2013, 11:18 AM
Mutts , What I see here is also known as a Rat rod , Besides dogs Mutts were military vehicles, m-151 military utility tactical truck , To the untrained eye you may know them as a Jeep , They were nice riding but the early ones could flip on a dime , I wish I kept track of how many universal joints I replaced in them , Ed

StudeDave57
12-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Here's one from Dad's photo collection~

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He likely found that pic here on the Forum somewhere...?





StudeDave '57 :cool:

LeoH
12-07-2013, 12:27 PM
Yowzah! Well, I have to say that the Hoover nosed look of the Packard Hawks didn't come from out of nowhere after all. Gotta go scrub my eyeballs out after looking at that. :eek: The image of a beluga whale for some reason keeps coming back as an afterimage for some reason....


(Apologies to the PH fans)

StudeRich
12-07-2013, 12:36 PM
Here's one from Dad's photo collection~

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He likely found that pic here on the Forum somewhere...?
StudeDave '57 :cool:

If you look closely, you can see that is probably a '58 Scotsman! It has a very blunt looking '55 Front end.

brngarage
12-07-2013, 01:11 PM
I think I saw that wagon a couple of years ago at the hot rod reunion at Beech Bend Raceway in Bowling Green, Kentucky. If it's the same car, I remember it as being Mopar powered and very fast.

Studedude
12-07-2013, 01:25 PM
Observed at the 2011 Springfield meet:

http://www.studeski.com/International/2011springfield/sIMG_2300.JPG

http://www.studeski.com/International/2011springfield/sIMG_2301.JPG

SN-60
12-07-2013, 02:22 PM
Inspired by the query about the Lark-nosed 56-7 Stude sedan...let's see some oddball "mutt" Studebakers. I haven't really got pix of any such myself except this one, sort of:

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/100_9333_zpsa3143fad.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/100_9333_zpsa3143fad.jpg.html)

1928 Stude sedan bodywork converted to two-seat roadster on modified Stude frame, supercharged Lark flathead six, rear body panel from roof of Barracuda! Wheels are 30s Dodge.

S.

The splayed bars on the radiator shell of this Stude rod are reminiscent of the '32 Factory Indy cars.

tony58
12-07-2013, 02:33 PM
Observed at the 2011 Springfield meet:

http://www.studeski.com/International/2011springfield/sIMG_2300.JPG

http://www.studeski.com/International/2011springfield/sIMG_2301.JPG

Hey,thats about the prettiest "MUTT" i've seen in a long time...
Tony

Jerry Forrester
12-07-2013, 02:50 PM
Another pic of the '58 W/'55 nose.

Nox
12-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I'm pretty sure the -58 with -55 front contains a MoPar 360 & the guy might e called Budymander or such alike.

JRoberts
12-07-2013, 05:43 PM
Mutts , What I see here is also known as a Rat rod , Besides dogs Mutts were military vehicles, m-151 military utility tactical truck , To the untrained eye you may know them as a Jeep , They were nice riding but the early ones could flip on a dime , I wish I kept track of how many universal joints I replaced in them , Ed

I have heard the term "rat rod" so much and applied to so many different approaches to so many different kinds of cars that it means nothing anymore. The car in question looks like the traditional hot rods of the 1940's. The term rat rod has become a very negative description of cars that folks simply either don't like or understand. I have seen '53 Chevy four door in red primer, slammed pretty low, a straight six with multiple carbs and wide white walls placed into a rat rod class. I have also seen a fenderlass Model A sedan with a Y-block engine and open headers called a rat rod. The term is confusing. In my opinion the car in question is a cool hot rod, not a rat rod, whatever that means. I really see the term "Mutt" as a bit negative as well, but understand it as a mixed breed kind of thing.

Pat Dilling
12-07-2013, 06:53 PM
Really hard for me to consider this one a mutt, but it started life as a '54 4 door sedan.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4043/4181394337_f155b289fb_z.jpg?zz=1

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4006/4181394495_f02d6ea88b_z.jpg?zz=1

hausdok
12-07-2013, 07:41 PM
Yowzah! Well, I have to say that the Hoover nosed look of the Packard Hawks didn't come from out of nowhere after all.(Apologies to the PH fans)Nope, it didn't come from that wagon. It came from the Maserati 3500GT Allemano. A S-P bigwig took his family to Europe for vacation, fell in love with the 3500GT and then came back and instructed staff to build him a one-off that resembled it. They didn't have any money or much to work with so they decided to modify a K body. In the middle of that process the marketing types stuck their nose in and decided that it should go into production and they wouldn't keep their fingers out of the pudding. By the time the P.H. finally rolled off the line it didn't look much like what the designers were originally going for. That's the story in a nutshell as told by one of the designers that worked on the PH. I've never seen pictures of what he says they'd developed before the marketing nut jobs got into it..........although, if you look at the little light blue roadster - one of Bourke's designs (see third image below) - that little roadster does have a strong resemblance to the 3500GT.

1957 3500GT Allemano

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30281&d=1386464010

1958 3500 GT Allemano

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30289&d=1386466486

Bourke Sketch

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30290&d=1386468813

I'd like to see those working sketches; I think it would be cool to find those sketches and build the P.H. that the designers wanted instead of the one they ended up with.

8E45E
12-07-2013, 07:47 PM
Really hard for me to consider this one a mutt, but it started life as a '54 4 door sedan.

That one actually looks nice; especially from the rear.

Craig

hausdok
12-07-2013, 08:18 PM
I dunno,

I get a sort of hearse vibe from its appearance.

Jerry Forrester
12-07-2013, 08:44 PM
Joe Bacon's old roadster.

WinM1895
12-08-2013, 12:30 AM
Nope, it didn't come from that wagon. It came from the Maserati 3500GT Allemano. A S-P bigwig took his family to Europe for vacation, fell in love with the 3500GT and then came back and instructed staff to build him a one-off that resembled it. They didn't have any money or much to work with so they decided to modify a K body. In the middle of that process the marketing types stuck their nose in and decided that it should go into production and they wouldn't keep their fingers out of the pudding. By the time the P.H. finally rolled off the line it didn't look much like what the designers were originally going for. That's the story in a nutshell as told by one of the designers that worked on the PH.
The "Studebaker" bigwig was probably Roy Hurley of Curtiss-Wright who is known as 'the father of the Packard Hawk.'

PlainBrownR2
12-08-2013, 12:54 AM
I like the story on why there's only 588 of them running around. 500 of them were sent to the major dealers around the country, guess how many the customers actually ordered? The majority of them running around now were the dealer's promos. Every major dealer had to carry at least one. The story was similar to the selling of Ford's Model K! :rolleyes:

8E45E
12-08-2013, 02:41 AM
Nope, it didn't come from that wagon. I think it would be cool to find those sketches and build the P.H. that the designers wanted instead of the one they ended up with.

Here is a scale model of an S-P concept wagon with a similar grille:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2089/1527529784_099e18d737_z.jpg

Craig

avantilover
12-08-2013, 05:15 AM
This looks better because the grille is full width. Yes, it was Roy Hurley who wanted the car which became the Packard Hawk.

56H-Y6
12-08-2013, 09:16 AM
Hi

The cowl to front axle-line dimension is shorter on the Lark than 1958 and earlier models, therefore direct front clip interchanges aren't possible. The mix-'n-match that is possible is swaping front clips between the '53 to '58 sedan and wagon models. Frankly, any '56 to '58 fitted with a '53-'55 front is a real stylistic mismatch "mutt".

But, If a '56-'57 front was fitted to a '53-'55 Y-body Land Cruiser/President State sedan, it would be one great looking Studebaker! Keep the sides clean of all trim except rocker and wheel-lip mouldings, and graft a Hawk decklid shell onto the decklid frame to complete the luxury car looks. Notice I didn't include the '58 front, it only goes well with flairing, ungainly tacked-on fins!

Steve

SN-60
12-08-2013, 09:23 AM
I like the story on why there's only 588 of them running around. 500 of them were sent to the major dealers around the country, guess how many the customers actually ordered? The majority of them running around now were the dealer's promos. Every major dealer had to carry at least one. The story was similar to the selling of Ford's Model K! :rolleyes:

I would not doubt that the above story is in all probability.......True.

scott.rodgers
12-08-2013, 12:04 PM
Some pix from my collection (of pictures, not cars!):

SN-60
12-08-2013, 12:07 PM
Some pix from my collection (of pictures, not cars!):

The raised rear face bar really does look good on that Daytona convertible!

hausdok
12-08-2013, 12:09 PM
Scott,

Help me out. I'm not very familiar with the Lark-like Studes. What's going on in pictures 3 through 5 that makes them mutts?

pinehurstbob
12-08-2013, 12:20 PM
Picture 3 has 66 tail lights and non standard back up lights as well as the bumper raised up from stock 64, 65 & 66 location. I think I read somewhere that these were potential design changes that were never produced. Picture 4 has a 66 grille in a 63.
Bob
64 Daytona
60 Lark Convert

8E45E
12-08-2013, 12:28 PM
Help me out. I'm not very familiar with the Lark-like Studes. What's going on in pictures 3 through 5 that makes them mutts?

Now, THESE are "Mutts"!!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2864/11274352254_3bbc43054c_k.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/11274385374_ca81a39879_k.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/11274364623_781ccd1b92_k.jpg

Craig

mapman
12-08-2013, 11:52 PM
this the kind of stuff you're looking for?

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StudeRich
12-09-2013, 12:05 AM
Picture 4 has a 66 grille in a 63.
The whole nose is '66, as is the drive train. :ohmy:

sals54
12-09-2013, 01:37 AM
That 63 Sedan with the 66 front clip is as nice as I thought it would be. I've been thinking of just that style for decades. I've always loved the tail section of the 63s and the fronts of the 64s and have wanted one with the two parts married together. That car looks great. Now it just needs the 64 grill,eh?

woodysrods
12-09-2013, 11:07 AM
Now, THESE are "Mutts"!!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2864/11274352254_3bbc43054c_k.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/11274385374_ca81a39879_k.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/11274364623_781ccd1b92_k.jpg

Craig

Craig
Do you know where these pictures were taken?
Yakima 2013??
Brian

WinM1895
12-09-2013, 11:50 AM
Two of the above AC Mack 'Bulldogs' have NJ license plates, so I doubt the pics were taken in WA

8E45E
12-09-2013, 01:21 PM
Do you know where these pictures were taken?
Yakima 2013??

The top photo is from Yakima, and the lower two were taken in South Bend. (Note the year and location on the wheel chock keeping blue Mutt in place.)

Were you in Yakima?

Craig

2R5
12-09-2013, 01:41 PM
Seen those ones in SB ....that was a great truck show !

R_David
12-09-2013, 01:56 PM
Joe Bacon's old roadster.

I like it! Is it still around?

2R5
12-09-2013, 03:30 PM
Guess this would fit in this category .....said it was a '34 Studebaker ratrod.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/th_343_zps024df51e.jpg

woodysrods
12-10-2013, 11:32 AM
I knew |I recognized that truck! As I did the body repair and re painted the hood on the Maroon Mac.
It is from Summerland B.C.
And when I saw the bleachers in the Dome I knew it must have been down to the international Truck show held in Yakima in May of 2013.
There was also a 1933 Federal Tanker Truck there that I just finished restoring for a customer days before the show.
Did you happen to get a picture of it......."North Star Oil"
Good Roads
Brian

8E45E
12-10-2013, 01:06 PM
There was also a 1933 Federal Tanker Truck there that I just finished restoring for a customer days before the show.
Did you happen to get a picture of it......."North Star Oil"

I shall check when I get home, but I bet it will be a great match to this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?57698-Orphan-of-the-Day-12-29-1923-White

Craig

garyash
12-10-2013, 06:05 PM
Here's a car we saw at a local car show in southeastern Massachusetts a few years ago. Does it qualify as a mutt?
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8E45E
12-10-2013, 06:10 PM
Here's a car we saw at a local car show in southeastern Massachusetts a few years ago. Does it qualify as a mutt?
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Probably in the same kennel as this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?67667-Quad-Headlight-Hawk

Craig

8E45E
12-10-2013, 11:10 PM
Did you happen to get a picture of it......."North Star Oil"

I did! I did!!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/11318963834_2aed8b8075_k.jpg

Craig

dean pearson
12-11-2013, 11:24 AM
I call my car a mutt,... But just so as not to get the purists excited.

woodysrods
12-11-2013, 03:56 PM
Thanks Craig
That is her!
Here are a couple of before & during restoration pictures!
Good Roads
Brian

8E45E
12-11-2013, 07:54 PM
Here are a couple of before & during restoration pictures!

Thanks for posting those! It turned out most excellent!

Craig

kirkdob
12-11-2013, 09:41 PM
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Wagon from the 60's so does this count?