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Jerry Forrester
09-18-2013, 08:07 PM
I don't have a 'Frick' but I am building a Studelac.
Today I finalized the deal on a 'built' '70 Eldorado engine and a 700R4 transmission.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/jerrystudebaker/Studelac/2X4CaddyEngine2_zps19fdbe85.jpg (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jerrystudebaker/media/Studelac/2X4CaddyEngine2_zps19fdbe85.jpg.html)

That 2X4 intake is from a 460 CI Ford with adapter plates port matched to the Caddy heads.
I'm getting the engine and tranny (a 700R4, also built) and all I have to do is provide a few hours labor (about 50) on the '35 Caddy 3 window coupe that the engine and tranny are presently in, and a '36 Packard 3 window coupe.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to put in a full cage, from the rear X-member to the front frame horns. This thing is going to be a BEAST.

AKAchamptrucking
09-18-2013, 08:21 PM
MAJOR DROOL!!!!:drool:

mbstude
09-18-2013, 08:34 PM
That one of Nestlehutt's cars?

Very, very cool. You may not have a Frick, but it's okay to have a Frack.

Chris Pile
09-18-2013, 08:37 PM
I am officially green with envy.

sweetolbob
09-18-2013, 08:47 PM
Envious does not begin to cover my feelings about this setup. I can't imagine the low end torque on this thing.


Just curious what the previous owner is planning for a new power plant in the Cadillac.

Keep posting and well done!!!!

Bob

Jerry Forrester
09-18-2013, 09:53 PM
Yes, he has a few cars, all StreetRods, all high dollar. Highest dollar car is the one he calls Big Bertha, a 1930 V16 Caddy at about $350,000 or more. He also has a '37 Caddy more door, a '36 Caddy 3 window coupe, a '31 Caddy Vicky, and the ones I mentioned in the OP as well as a few others.

Jerry Forrester
09-18-2013, 09:58 PM
Envious does not begin to cover my feelings about this setup. I can't imagine the low end torque on this thing.


Just curious what the previous owner is planning for a new power plant in the Cadillac.

Keep posting and well done!!!!

Bob
Low end torque is OFF the scale!!!
He has a new LS engine with a 4L60 ready to go in. I'm not sure which LS it is, whatever came in the Vette's and Escalades.

Jerry Forrester
09-18-2013, 10:00 PM
I'll get some Pix of his cars and post them soon. Probably needs to go in StoveHuggers excepting the Packard.

GThawkwind
09-18-2013, 10:16 PM
What car is this going into? I can't imagine the power this will make. I absolutely love Cadillac's and their engines, my brother has a black 70 sedan DeVille. Great engines, sound sweet too. If you lived closer I have an art morrison roll cage that came with my car, I have no use for it as my car won't make copious amounts of power, and plan to sell it

SN-60
09-18-2013, 10:46 PM
Nice! What's the C.I.?......500?

PackardV8
09-19-2013, 09:44 AM
I'm afraid I'm going to have to put in a full cage, from the rear X-member to the front frame horns.

Congrats! That's the other big, tall, long block. Like the Packard V8, the late Cad also has 5.0" bore spacing and this is where you'll want to look at how things fit on '56Js. It's going to be difficult to keep the 2x4 intake under the hood.

While you're in there, the area needing the most reinforcement is the front crossmember and upper A-arm mounts. Do the factory recommended doubling plate behind the A-arm mounting holes and weld all the junctions where the frame rails and crossmember meet.

With that much torque, the rear springs will need some help. Building your own Cal-Trac bars aren't that difficult, as one of our own demonstrated.

The heavy duty front and rear anti-roll bars Dave Thibault sells would also be on my punch list.

Switch to later kingpins, as the speeds of which your build will be capable will need all the positive caster you can find.

jack vines

bezhawk
09-19-2013, 10:45 AM
How much do these Caddy engines weigh? You will need a heck of a stout driveshaft and rear end to run that much torque!

Pat Dilling
09-19-2013, 10:55 AM
Wow, that will leave marks, on the road that is. Very cool. Caddy 472-500 motors are listed at 625 lbs, just a bit lighter than a Stude 289. The aluminum manifold will take away some of that, but the second 4 barrel will add some of it back. In any case, it is not adding weight vs a Stude V8. Looking forward to following this build!

Dick Steinkamp
09-19-2013, 10:57 AM
This thing is going to be a BEAST.

Oh yea! :!:

studegary
09-19-2013, 01:45 PM
What car is this going into? I can't imagine the power this will make. I absolutely love Cadillac's and their engines, my brother has a black 70 sedan DeVille. Great engines, sound sweet too.

The 1970 sedan DeVille came with a 472 ci/375 HP engine. The 1970 Eldorado came with a 500 ci/400 HP engine.

studegary
09-19-2013, 01:45 PM
Nice! What's the C.I.?......500?

It is 500 ci if it is still stock (as far as displacement).

SN-60
09-19-2013, 05:22 PM
Congrats! That's the other big, tall, long block. Like the Packard V8, the late Cad also has 5.0" bore spacing and this is where you'll want to look at how things fit on '56Js.

jack vines

Not really!.....I believe these Caddys are a bit lighter than the old Packard V8....No doubt shorter also.

jimmijim8
09-19-2013, 06:22 PM
I had a 64 Cadu sedan with the 429. Whole lotta azz. 17 MPG average with air on. Light footin' of course. I ain't lion. Oh to have that drive train. cheers jimmijim

Jerry Forrester
09-19-2013, 06:37 PM
Nice! What's the C.I.?......500?
I don't have the spec. sheet on the engine yet. The engine was built by a performance Cadillac engine builder in, I think, Milwaukee, Wis. It'll be a week or so before I get the spec. sheet. It did start out as a 400 HP, 455 lb. torque and 500 CI. I suspect it was bored at least .030. You do the math. At the present time all I know is, you can break the rear tires loose anytime you want.

Jerry Forrester
09-19-2013, 06:52 PM
It's going to be difficult to keep the 2x4 intake under the hood.
Yes, I'm afraid I'm going to have to join the 'Hole In The Hood Gang'.



While you're in there, the area needing the most reinforcement is the front crossmember and upper A-arm mounts. Do the factory recommended doubling plate behind the A-arm mounting holes and weld all the junctions where the frame rails and crossmember meet.

With that much torque, the rear springs will need some help. Building your own Cal-Trac bars aren't that difficult, as one of our own demonstrated.

The heavy duty front and rear anti-roll bars Dave Thibault sells would also be on my punch list.

Switch to later kingpins, as the speeds of which your build will be capable will need all the positive caster you can find.

jack vines
All good suggestions Jack, but everything you mentioned I already had thought of. But I use a mid '80's Cutlass front bat and a Ford Explorer rear bar.
I have a 9 inch Ford rear end out of a '70 Ranchero that I plan to shorten so that I can run 265-75R15 tires on 10 inch wide wheels on the rear without cutting any sheet metal.

Nox
09-20-2013, 04:47 AM
This makes me wanna have enough cash to take the engine & running gear out of my daily driver -74 Caddy & put it into my Josephine... but I don't, such is life & I'm happy just the same!
:)

JRoberts
09-20-2013, 05:14 AM
WOW!:!!: Sounds like fun.

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 04:39 PM
What car is this going into?
This car, http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jerrystudebaker/library/Studelac?sort=3&page=1


If you lived closer I have an art morrison roll cage that came with my car, I have no use for it as my car won't make copious amounts of power, and plan to sell it
I would love to have the cage. Post some pix of it pleas

SN-60
09-20-2013, 04:42 PM
Wow! That Stude sure looks like a real 'sleeper'! Isn't that a Caddy in there now?

ed peters
09-20-2013, 04:42 PM
looks good Jerry :)
ive got a 61 390 mated to a t-5 5peed going in my 54......
ive got an old wieand 6 carb intake and some strombergs.....to cut that hood or not.....i'm thinking not !

SN-60
09-20-2013, 04:44 PM
looks good Jerry :)
ive got a 61 390 mated to a t-5 5peed going in my 54......
ive got an old wieand 6 carb intake and some strombergs.....to cut that hood or not.....i'm thinking not !

Don't cut that beautiful stock hood!! It will NEVER look as good as it does right now. (How do You improve on perfection?)

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 04:49 PM
Wow! That Stude sure looks like a real 'sleeper'! Isn't that a Caddy in there now?
I'm afraid it won't be much of a sleeper when it finally hits the streets. My plans are to make it "In yo face nasty lookin".
Yes, that's a '76 500CI W/ T400 in there now. that's the engine I WAS gonna use but Nestlehut offered me a deal on his built engine and tranny. I think I'll like having more power. <G>

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 04:52 PM
Don't cut that beautiful stock hood!! It will NEVER look as good as it does right now. (How do You improve on perfection?)

Go ahead and cut the hood. It's only sheet metal and can be put back to original condition in the future if need be. <G>

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 04:57 PM
Wow! That Stude sure looks like a real 'sleeper'! Isn't that a Caddy in there now?
I haven't updated the Photobucket page lately. Here's what Studelac looks like at present.

SN-60
09-20-2013, 04:59 PM
Jerry, I'm with You on the more powerful engine....but there is something 'magic' about a sleeper....they'll never see You coming! And really, when You think about it, there are so many fat tired, chopped up, 'In Your Face' cars out there now....do we really need another one? (just my opinion)

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 05:18 PM
Jerry, I'm with You on the more powerful engine....but there is something 'magic' about a sleeper....they'll never see You coming! And really, when You think about it, there are so many fat tired, chopped up, 'In Your Face' cars out there now....do we really need another one? (just my opinion)
Except for the hole in the hood, I'll keep all stock sheet metal. You can't improve on the '53 Stude body.
Here's the look I'll be going for.
Here's my '64 Chevelle dirt track car from the early '80's.

SN-60
09-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Except for the hole in the hood, I'll keep all stock sheet metal. You can't improve on the '53 Stude body.
Here's the look I'll be going for.
Here's my '64 Chevelle dirt track car from the early '80's.

Now THAT had to have been a BLAST!!

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 05:44 PM
Now THAT had to have been a BLAST!!
Oh yes it was. I raced for about 10 years but I was never good enough to consistently run up front but I did win a couple races. In a 20 car field I usually ran about 8th or 9th. I tried to quit dirt tracking three years in a row. I would quit at the end of the season and not do anything to my car all winter long. Then I would go to a race, just to watch, and the next week I would be putting my car back in racing order. After doing that three times, I never went back as a spectator. Hello, my name is Jerry and I'm a speed addict. I still can't go to a track, be it drag or roundy-round and I'm 70 years old. <G> I'm a 70 year old speed addict.
A shot of my Chevy II.

SN-60
09-20-2013, 05:47 PM
Jerry,....What CI engine in #42 and #6?

wcarroll@outrageous.net
09-20-2013, 07:11 PM
Here's one way to avoid the need for a "hole in the hood". Take a look at the Offy Webber Turbo setup on this car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LIGHTNING-ROADSTER-/161108849388?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid=111000&algo=REC.CURRENT&ao=1&asc=27&meid=1431471892966842455&pid=100033&prg=1011&rk=2&rkt=4&sd=251342998581&&forcev4exp=true#ht_500wt_1182

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 07:22 PM
Jerry,....What CI engine in #42 and #6?
Sometime 302, sometimes 350, sometimes 400, all SBC's. I ran in, what was call in our neck of the woods, Limited Sportsman. We were limited to under 305CI in that class.

Jerry Forrester
09-20-2013, 07:30 PM
Here's one way to avoid the need for a "hole in the hood". Take a look at the Offy Webber Turbo setup on this car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LIGHTNING-ROADSTER-/161108849388?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid=111000&algo=REC.CURRENT&ao=1&asc=27&meid=1431471892966842455&pid=100033&prg=1011&rk=2&rkt=4&sd=251342998581&&forcev4exp=true#ht_500wt_1182
That looks great. But I think I'll stick with the 2X4 setup.

GThawkwind
09-20-2013, 07:36 PM
The 1970 sedan DeVille came with a 472 ci/375 HP engine. The 1970 Eldorado came with a 500 ci/400 HP engine.
I know. I was just commenting on that I like caddy engines and that's the one I have experience with, since it's the same motor with a few extra cubes, and ponies. BTW Jerry I will snap a few pics when I get a chance, not sure how you'd get it home though.

studegary
09-21-2013, 11:27 AM
For those of you considering going to the hole in the hood route, PLEASE consider using a fiberglass hood and not cut up a rare, original, steel hood.