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EWHerbie
09-08-2007, 02:33 PM
Hi,
I just found your web site and knew that this were I could get a question answered, by the experts.
My Godfather is a Studebacker owner and is age 80 with no computer knowledge, so I am doing some fact finding for him. The car has never been aprased for its value but he has always wanted to know its value. The following is a history of the car and trust when I tell you that every word is the gods honest true. Can someone give me an expert price on its value. If I can attach a pic I will.

1940 Studebaker Commander purchased by my godfathers landlord in late 1939 I believe. Owned by him until his death in 1952 when his widow gave it to my godfather. Owned to this day by my godfather. Car was garage kept its entire life, NEVER RAINED ON. All original, two parts replaced but original parts kept. (Spark plugs and fuel pump)It has 1500 miles on it, yes 1500 original miles, if I'm lieing I'm dieing. Starts after five pumps of the gas, drives like new. People do not believe the story until they see it. Original bill of sale in the glovebox with owners manual.

Any help would be great. I plan to show this site to my godfather on my next trip to his home. Thanks

mbstude
09-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Wow, sounds like an amazing find.

Ok fellas, here's the pics of this truly amazing survivor. Mr. Quinn, maybe you could put a value on the one of a kind car?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140052.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140044.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140038.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140037.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00065.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Wow, sounds like an amazing find.

Ok fellas, here's the pics of this truly amazing survivor. Mr. Quinn, maybe you could put a value on the one of a kind car?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140052.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140044.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140038.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140037.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00065.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

lstude
09-08-2007, 08:21 PM
Somebody must have really just driven this car to church on Sundays, and skipped a lot of church meetings!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm4.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Leonards52onthetracktn2.jpg

lstude
09-08-2007, 08:21 PM
Somebody must have really just driven this car to church on Sundays, and skipped a lot of church meetings!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm4.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Leonards52onthetracktn2.jpg

BobPalma
09-08-2007, 08:24 PM
The value on that caris whatever someone would pay for it...it might really go nuts on e-bay....or maybe not. With what would you compare it? If it truly is a 1,400-mile original-paint car, the sky is the limit. It IS beautiful; just beautiful...! BP

BobPalma
09-08-2007, 08:24 PM
The value on that caris whatever someone would pay for it...it might really go nuts on e-bay....or maybe not. With what would you compare it? If it truly is a 1,400-mile original-paint car, the sky is the limit. It IS beautiful; just beautiful...! BP

lstude
09-08-2007, 08:26 PM
I like that turn signal lever. Was that factory?

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm4.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Leonards52onthetracktn2.jpg

lstude
09-08-2007, 08:26 PM
I like that turn signal lever. Was that factory?

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm4.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Leonards52onthetracktn2.jpg

whacker
09-08-2007, 08:27 PM
I do not know how you can put a value on this car. I suggest you try the Antique Studebaker Club, or maybe Ken Vogt. It sure is a beauty!

whacker
09-08-2007, 08:27 PM
I do not know how you can put a value on this car. I suggest you try the Antique Studebaker Club, or maybe Ken Vogt. It sure is a beauty!

mbstude
09-08-2007, 08:34 PM
I sent Mr. Richard Quinn an email regarding it. We'll see what he has to say about it. :)
I think this car is what he says it is, just look at the foot pedals... [:0][8D]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-08-2007, 08:34 PM
I sent Mr. Richard Quinn an email regarding it. We'll see what he has to say about it. :)
I think this car is what he says it is, just look at the foot pedals... [:0][8D]

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

Mark57
09-08-2007, 08:53 PM
All I can say is "Wow"![8D][:p]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/Mr.GreenJeans1002b.jpg

Mark57
09-08-2007, 08:53 PM
All I can say is "Wow"![8D][:p]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/Mr.GreenJeans1002b.jpg

acolds
09-08-2007, 09:16 PM
That is one clean car ready for its first oil change. Only thing I find wrong is that owners never got to enjoy driving it. This car proves that there are still nice original car to be found

acolds
09-08-2007, 09:16 PM
That is one clean car ready for its first oil change. Only thing I find wrong is that owners never got to enjoy driving it. This car proves that there are still nice original car to be found

8E45E
09-08-2007, 09:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

I think this car is what he says it is, just look at the foot pedals... [:0][8D]



Matt, I look at the man-made plastic trim from that era. I don't see any cracking, crazing, or even warpage of any the knobs, escutcheons, etc. Many cars that have plastic trim from that era usually show signs of age, even when not exposed to UV from the sun or extreme temperature changes.

Craig

8E45E
09-08-2007, 09:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

I think this car is what he says it is, just look at the foot pedals... [:0][8D]



Matt, I look at the man-made plastic trim from that era. I don't see any cracking, crazing, or even warpage of any the knobs, escutcheons, etc. Many cars that have plastic trim from that era usually show signs of age, even when not exposed to UV from the sun or extreme temperature changes.

Craig

Swifster
09-08-2007, 09:38 PM
What a beautiful car. I'm just in awe!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-12-07LKQEngine.jpg

Swifster
09-08-2007, 09:38 PM
What a beautiful car. I'm just in awe!

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-12-07LKQEngine.jpg

mbstude
09-08-2007, 09:41 PM
quote:Matt, I look at the man-made plastic trim from that era. I don't see any cracking, crazing, or even warpage of any the knobs, escutcheons, etc. Many cars that have plastic trim from that era usually show signs of age, even when not exposed to UV from the sun or extreme temperature changes.


I did notice that as well, Craig. This car is just amazing. Sheesh! :D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-08-2007, 09:41 PM
quote:Matt, I look at the man-made plastic trim from that era. I don't see any cracking, crazing, or even warpage of any the knobs, escutcheons, etc. Many cars that have plastic trim from that era usually show signs of age, even when not exposed to UV from the sun or extreme temperature changes.


I did notice that as well, Craig. This car is just amazing. Sheesh! :D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

Dwain G.
09-08-2007, 10:47 PM
An old white-haired lady used to drive a light green one of those around here. She would occasionally scuff a fender, so I would see it at a local body shop every few months. Shop owner told me she would pay for the repair and instruct him NOT to tell her kids about it!

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

Dwain G.
09-08-2007, 10:47 PM
An old white-haired lady used to drive a light green one of those around here. She would occasionally scuff a fender, so I would see it at a local body shop every few months. Shop owner told me she would pay for the repair and instruct him NOT to tell her kids about it!

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

sbca96
09-08-2007, 11:49 PM
First I would chop the top .... JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!![:p]

That truely belongs in a museum. Amazing .. and a AAA member, maybe
member no.1?[:o)]

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

sbca96
09-08-2007, 11:49 PM
First I would chop the top .... JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!![:p]

That truely belongs in a museum. Amazing .. and a AAA member, maybe
member no.1?[:o)]

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

JDP
09-09-2007, 12:08 AM
High book is $17,400, but that's too low for a exceptional car like that one. Maybe 25-30K ?

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
09-09-2007, 12:08 AM
High book is $17,400, but that's too low for a exceptional car like that one. Maybe 25-30K ?

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

avantilover
09-09-2007, 12:18 AM
You'd sure look cool driving one of those and the design looks great considering it's nearly 70 years old. Raymond Loewy I suppose?

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
09-09-2007, 12:18 AM
You'd sure look cool driving one of those and the design looks great considering it's nearly 70 years old. Raymond Loewy I suppose?

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

gordr
09-09-2007, 12:34 AM
Man! What an exceptional survivor. It's SO nice, it's hard to put a value on it. A high-dollar restoration might beat this car in a concourse, but a car can only be original once. Restoring an original this nice would be like deliberately destroying history.

I'd guess its value to be upwards of $40,000. It's got to be the prettiest pre-war Commander of the lot, and a nicely-equipped coupe to boot. And being a low-mile original car in near-showroom condition? They don't get any better than that.

If it were mine, and I were offering it for sale, I'd stick a $50,000 price tag on it...firm. Where will anyone find another one as nice for less money? Fifty grand will buy you a nice Mercedes Benz, that'll be worth about $35,000 in 2 years.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
09-09-2007, 12:34 AM
Man! What an exceptional survivor. It's SO nice, it's hard to put a value on it. A high-dollar restoration might beat this car in a concourse, but a car can only be original once. Restoring an original this nice would be like deliberately destroying history.

I'd guess its value to be upwards of $40,000. It's got to be the prettiest pre-war Commander of the lot, and a nicely-equipped coupe to boot. And being a low-mile original car in near-showroom condition? They don't get any better than that.

If it were mine, and I were offering it for sale, I'd stick a $50,000 price tag on it...firm. Where will anyone find another one as nice for less money? Fifty grand will buy you a nice Mercedes Benz, that'll be worth about $35,000 in 2 years.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

avantilover
09-09-2007, 12:39 AM
$50,000 would get a restored one to this standard I imagine, however there is nothing like originality. It really belongs in the museum.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
09-09-2007, 12:39 AM
$50,000 would get a restored one to this standard I imagine, however there is nothing like originality. It really belongs in the museum.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

Guido
09-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Beautiful car! And I thought my '46 fire truck was low mileage with 2349 miles showing on the clock.

BAMS, did you notice those wide whites? :D

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
09-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Beautiful car! And I thought my '46 fire truck was low mileage with 2349 miles showing on the clock.

BAMS, did you notice those wide whites? :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

stude freak
09-09-2007, 08:39 AM
Pardon my french!But da**!!! Thats one of the nicest cars i ever seen.That beauty belongs in South Bend as a showpiece.Absolutlty remarkable!

David Baggett '53 coupe

stude freak
09-09-2007, 08:39 AM
Pardon my french!But da**!!! Thats one of the nicest cars i ever seen.That beauty belongs in South Bend as a showpiece.Absolutlty remarkable!

David Baggett '53 coupe

mbstude
09-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Here's what Mr. Quinn sent me back.

Matthew;

Very impressive car! I would give $20,000 for it but it would likely bring more than that. Really appreciate getting the pictures. I would like to talk to the owner (or his next of kin) to get the real story on how it came to have so few miles. I did read the brief story he provided on the newsgroup but he really does not say why it was not driven. I would also like to see the documentation he mentions.

Again my thanks.

Cordially,

Richard Quinn

I put him and EWherbie in contact. We'll see what happens! :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Here's what Mr. Quinn sent me back.

Matthew;

Very impressive car! I would give $20,000 for it but it would likely bring more than that. Really appreciate getting the pictures. I would like to talk to the owner (or his next of kin) to get the real story on how it came to have so few miles. I did read the brief story he provided on the newsgroup but he really does not say why it was not driven. I would also like to see the documentation he mentions.

Again my thanks.

Cordially,

Richard Quinn

I put him and EWherbie in contact. We'll see what happens! :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

DEEPNHOCK
09-09-2007, 09:20 AM
You should talk to your Godfather about putting the car in the Studebaker National Museum.
I am sure they would love to add a car like this to their collection, and am also sure they would work with your Godfather to ensure the future preservation of this fine example of Studebaker history.
Here's a link to their website:
http://www.studebakermuseum.org/
and here's some contact info:
http://www.studebakermuseum.org/contactus.asp
Write To:
Studebaker National Museum
201 S. Chapin Street
South Bend, IN 46601
(574)235-9714 or
Toll Free (888) 391-5600

Thank you for sharing your pictures and story.
Good luck with your quest.
Jeff[8D]

DEEPNHOCK
09-09-2007, 09:20 AM
You should talk to your Godfather about putting the car in the Studebaker National Museum.
I am sure they would love to add a car like this to their collection, and am also sure they would work with your Godfather to ensure the future preservation of this fine example of Studebaker history.
Here's a link to their website:
http://www.studebakermuseum.org/
and here's some contact info:
http://www.studebakermuseum.org/contactus.asp
Write To:
Studebaker National Museum
201 S. Chapin Street
South Bend, IN 46601
(574)235-9714 or
Toll Free (888) 391-5600

Thank you for sharing your pictures and story.
Good luck with your quest.
Jeff[8D]

mbstude
09-09-2007, 09:25 AM
I agree with Jeff. Think about putting it on loan to the National Museum.


quote:Raymond Loewy I suppose?

You bet.:) He started his career with Studebaker in 1938.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2007, 09:25 AM
I agree with Jeff. Think about putting it on loan to the National Museum.


quote:Raymond Loewy I suppose?

You bet.:) He started his career with Studebaker in 1938.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 10:31 AM
I hate to put dampner on this wonderful idea of an original car. t is a real beauty but if it is to good to be true its not. the letter writer seems to want us to believe he is some sort of illiterate person and I don't accept that. Look at the wide white walls have you ever seen 70 , how about 7 year old tires looking like that. in the mileage it was supposed to have been driven why would it need plugs and fuel pump? Sorry if it were April 1st I' be expecting someone to jump out and say APRIL FOOL. Please some body prove me wrong.

studedick from the lower Ozarks

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 10:31 AM
I hate to put dampner on this wonderful idea of an original car. t is a real beauty but if it is to good to be true its not. the letter writer seems to want us to believe he is some sort of illiterate person and I don't accept that. Look at the wide white walls have you ever seen 70 , how about 7 year old tires looking like that. in the mileage it was supposed to have been driven why would it need plugs and fuel pump? Sorry if it were April 1st I' be expecting someone to jump out and say APRIL FOOL. Please some body prove me wrong.

studedick from the lower Ozarks

wally
09-09-2007, 12:48 PM
It is a beauty, but I have to agree with studedick, skeptic that I am. The paint seems way too shiny, especially for a car that is 70 years old, even one that has been maintained. You would expect it to have "patina" and some checking and fine scratches. Compare the exterior finish with that of the firewall. The OP excludes the tires from the items that have been replaced, and (whitewall) tires don't stay good indefinitely. You might expect the springs to sag a bit. The exhaust system would likely have been replaced by now. It doesn't prove much, but Something doesn't seem right about the photo settting--all newer homes. It just is out of character with someone who would keep a CAR 55 years. I figure that this is really a thoroughly restored car that was pretty nice to begin with--using a stash of NOS plastic parts acquired when they were available yet. Maybe, just maybe, one of the AACA people is having fun avenging themselves, here. ;)Or, maybe I'm jumping to the conclusion that the car the OP refers to, and the one in the photos in the subsequent post are the same car. [?]

wally
09-09-2007, 12:48 PM
It is a beauty, but I have to agree with studedick, skeptic that I am. The paint seems way too shiny, especially for a car that is 70 years old, even one that has been maintained. You would expect it to have "patina" and some checking and fine scratches. Compare the exterior finish with that of the firewall. The OP excludes the tires from the items that have been replaced, and (whitewall) tires don't stay good indefinitely. You might expect the springs to sag a bit. The exhaust system would likely have been replaced by now. It doesn't prove much, but Something doesn't seem right about the photo settting--all newer homes. It just is out of character with someone who would keep a CAR 55 years. I figure that this is really a thoroughly restored car that was pretty nice to begin with--using a stash of NOS plastic parts acquired when they were available yet. Maybe, just maybe, one of the AACA people is having fun avenging themselves, here. ;)Or, maybe I'm jumping to the conclusion that the car the OP refers to, and the one in the photos in the subsequent post are the same car. [?]

Scott
09-09-2007, 01:09 PM
In a well publicized auction I can easily see it bringing $65,000 - $80,000.

Scott
09-09-2007, 01:09 PM
In a well publicized auction I can easily see it bringing $65,000 - $80,000.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 02:09 PM
Thanks :)mbstude for getting me a lot of prices and comments. As for the last comments, Wally I can see your point of view on how unbelievable the story is and the shape of the car. I swear it is all true but if I read it I would question it also.

I am 31 and have grown up around this car, literally. Some more history, This car was purchased in Toledo, OH late 1939, by an older man. He drove it on Sun., like men that had a little money did. My godfather moved from Tenn. in 1948 after serving in WWII, to work in the auto ind. He rented a room from the original owner and helped him out a lot by driving him around after he quit driving. The car was in a garage, covered with 300 miles on it for the first 11 years of its life. My godfather purchased a home in the suburbs of Detroit and the widow of the owner asked my godfather's wife if he would want it. She said yes but he would never accept it. The widow had to down right threaten to throw it out for my godfather to take it. It was cared for by my godfather at there home where he garage kept it covered. He moved it on a regular basis and started it every few months, drove in the summer to get the current mileage. YES, DICK THAT IS THE REAL MILAGE. The car has been washed six time, once by the original owner and five times by my god father. They sold there home in sub. Detroit and moved back to Tenn. in 2004 where they bought a NEW HOME, in the sub-division you see in the Pic. The car was taken down in a covered trailer.

Some of the questions that have been posted:

1. My godfather is a packrat, he purchased a new set of plugs in the late 50's and took the originals out to save.
2. I will find out about the fuel pump, all I know is that it was replaced.
3. As for the Pic's, cameras mask some problems: The paint, shines but it does have a spider web look, with small cracks. The tires leak a little air over time, about 20psi in 6 months and are cracked and aged.
4. The original owner put the turn signals on but never finished hooking them up.

Listen, I have nothing to gain by telling an outrageous story about a car that I don’t even own. All I wanted is to get some real coverage and input for a man that is very important to me. To anyone else I will try to answer any questions I can, please ask and be respectful. As for Dick if you want me to answer questions do it directly not posting a statements for laughs and with malaise.[:o)]

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 02:09 PM
Thanks :)mbstude for getting me a lot of prices and comments. As for the last comments, Wally I can see your point of view on how unbelievable the story is and the shape of the car. I swear it is all true but if I read it I would question it also.

I am 31 and have grown up around this car, literally. Some more history, This car was purchased in Toledo, OH late 1939, by an older man. He drove it on Sun., like men that had a little money did. My godfather moved from Tenn. in 1948 after serving in WWII, to work in the auto ind. He rented a room from the original owner and helped him out a lot by driving him around after he quit driving. The car was in a garage, covered with 300 miles on it for the first 11 years of its life. My godfather purchased a home in the suburbs of Detroit and the widow of the owner asked my godfather's wife if he would want it. She said yes but he would never accept it. The widow had to down right threaten to throw it out for my godfather to take it. It was cared for by my godfather at there home where he garage kept it covered. He moved it on a regular basis and started it every few months, drove in the summer to get the current mileage. YES, DICK THAT IS THE REAL MILAGE. The car has been washed six time, once by the original owner and five times by my god father. They sold there home in sub. Detroit and moved back to Tenn. in 2004 where they bought a NEW HOME, in the sub-division you see in the Pic. The car was taken down in a covered trailer.

Some of the questions that have been posted:

1. My godfather is a packrat, he purchased a new set of plugs in the late 50's and took the originals out to save.
2. I will find out about the fuel pump, all I know is that it was replaced.
3. As for the Pic's, cameras mask some problems: The paint, shines but it does have a spider web look, with small cracks. The tires leak a little air over time, about 20psi in 6 months and are cracked and aged.
4. The original owner put the turn signals on but never finished hooking them up.

Listen, I have nothing to gain by telling an outrageous story about a car that I don’t even own. All I wanted is to get some real coverage and input for a man that is very important to me. To anyone else I will try to answer any questions I can, please ask and be respectful. As for Dick if you want me to answer questions do it directly not posting a statements for laughs and with malaise.[:o)]

mbstude
09-09-2007, 02:14 PM
What's the paper wrapping on the shifter knob? :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2007, 02:14 PM
What's the paper wrapping on the shifter knob? :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 02:50 PM
It's tape, he started one summer and went to shift it into gear, the plastic shift knob just fell apart. In to about seven parts.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 02:50 PM
It's tape, he started one summer and went to shift it into gear, the plastic shift knob just fell apart. In to about seven parts.

mbstude
09-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Here's a few more pics. I'm in awe.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00036.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00053.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00062.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140036.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140041.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Here's a few more pics. I'm in awe.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00036.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00053.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/DSC00062.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140036.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/P8140041.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 03:49 PM
I have about sixty or seventy pic's from all directions, inside and out.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 03:49 PM
I have about sixty or seventy pic's from all directions, inside and out.

8E45E
09-09-2007, 05:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by EWHerbie

I have about sixty or seventy pic's from all directions, inside and out.


Thank you for the pictures so far! All SDC judges should be looking over this car and thorughly photographing it; and the photos placed into a portfolio type book!!

Craig

8E45E
09-09-2007, 05:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by EWHerbie

I have about sixty or seventy pic's from all directions, inside and out.


Thank you for the pictures so far! All SDC judges should be looking over this car and thorughly photographing it; and the photos placed into a portfolio type book!!

Craig

N8N
09-09-2007, 05:50 PM
aside from being one hell of a survivor, that's a great color and a great body style. I'm drooling, but sadly I can't make an offer on it... (less'n you'll take a '55 coupe in trade...)

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

N8N
09-09-2007, 05:50 PM
aside from being one hell of a survivor, that's a great color and a great body style. I'm drooling, but sadly I can't make an offer on it... (less'n you'll take a '55 coupe in trade...)

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 05:56 PM
EW If you read the last sentence of my post,(please somebody prove me wrong) you'll see that I am not trying to say it is not what you claim. At over twice your age it would take some convincing evidence to have me believe the story. you say 1500 miles the speedo shows 1400. I cannot see an original 1940 auto still sporting a 1940 license plate aft6er two owners and a couple of moves. If I remember right the upholstery would have been mohair to match the color of the door panels not a leatherette cover in reddish brown. So you can see that I would need some further facts to accept your story.

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 05:56 PM
EW If you read the last sentence of my post,(please somebody prove me wrong) you'll see that I am not trying to say it is not what you claim. At over twice your age it would take some convincing evidence to have me believe the story. you say 1500 miles the speedo shows 1400. I cannot see an original 1940 auto still sporting a 1940 license plate aft6er two owners and a couple of moves. If I remember right the upholstery would have been mohair to match the color of the door panels not a leatherette cover in reddish brown. So you can see that I would need some further facts to accept your story.

Roscomacaw
09-09-2007, 06:08 PM
OK, I love the car.;) It's a beauty whether it's had any work done to it or not thru the years.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
09-09-2007, 06:08 PM
OK, I love the car.;) It's a beauty whether it's had any work done to it or not thru the years.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 06:15 PM
You know Dick, "age does not convey knowledge" not that I am doubting your knowledge about Studebakers because I only know facts about one and am learning about the history. But I'm young but have seen more than you may think. Because I like a challenge, I will find out any question you have straight from the most honest, no bull***t guy I know, my godfather. Keep checking for the answer to your question. As for the OD, When I wrote the first posting I rounded up, sue me, the exact mileage is 1405, with myself putting the 1405th mile on it because at age "31" I finally got to drive it. The only way to prove this to you is for you to see it live, I still don't believe it.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 06:15 PM
You know Dick, "age does not convey knowledge" not that I am doubting your knowledge about Studebakers because I only know facts about one and am learning about the history. But I'm young but have seen more than you may think. Because I like a challenge, I will find out any question you have straight from the most honest, no bull***t guy I know, my godfather. Keep checking for the answer to your question. As for the OD, When I wrote the first posting I rounded up, sue me, the exact mileage is 1405, with myself putting the 1405th mile on it because at age "31" I finally got to drive it. The only way to prove this to you is for you to see it live, I still don't believe it.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 06:16 PM
Do the pics of the tires make you believe that they are original, cracks and all. I hope you can see the age in the pics.

EWHerbie
09-09-2007, 06:16 PM
Do the pics of the tires make you believe that they are original, cracks and all. I hope you can see the age in the pics.

JDP
09-09-2007, 07:48 PM
I did blow up the image and they are age cracked General's. I know from experience the photo's can flatter old paint, and I think the story is credible. Too many things that look factory, from all the clamps and interior details, to the wrapped springs. The underside has just the surface rust you'd expect from age. The seats may have been recovered because moths or a mouse got to the fabric, or they might be covers. I've owned a few Survivors myself, not quite that old though. I sold a friend a 1200 mile 52 pickup a few years back, and that's still how many are on it today. It was given to a boat yard by a Studebaker dealer to settle a debt and was used just to move a occasional boat on a trailer.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
09-09-2007, 07:48 PM
I did blow up the image and they are age cracked General's. I know from experience the photo's can flatter old paint, and I think the story is credible. Too many things that look factory, from all the clamps and interior details, to the wrapped springs. The underside has just the surface rust you'd expect from age. The seats may have been recovered because moths or a mouse got to the fabric, or they might be covers. I've owned a few Survivors myself, not quite that old though. I sold a friend a 1200 mile 52 pickup a few years back, and that's still how many are on it today. It was given to a boat yard by a Studebaker dealer to settle a debt and was used just to move a occasional boat on a trailer.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Lenny R2
09-09-2007, 08:04 PM
What a beauty.I would sure like to have that car.I guess the
car proves the are still great original ones out there.

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

Lenny R2
09-09-2007, 08:04 PM
What a beauty.I would sure like to have that car.I guess the
car proves the are still great original ones out there.

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

Roscomacaw
09-09-2007, 08:24 PM
EWHerbie,

In that one pic from under the car, it looks like the tread is great on the rear tire - yet the front one appears to be almost bald. Is that just a photo faux pau? Does anyone know if Stude used General tires back then? I thought they were big on Firestones.

Does anyone know if the plug wires on prewar cars were rubber insulated? Or were they still wearing the cloth wrapping I remember seeing on some 30's cars when I used to deal with them.

Forgive me if I also mention that there appears to be quite a bit of varnish on the outside of that low mileage carb. That and all the little nicks on the radiator brace rod and the top of the oil filter cannister.

Not trying to shoot you down here, EW. But if WE can dispell any doubts here, you'll have the blessings of this group to tuck into your folder of "certifications".[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
09-09-2007, 08:24 PM
EWHerbie,

In that one pic from under the car, it looks like the tread is great on the rear tire - yet the front one appears to be almost bald. Is that just a photo faux pau? Does anyone know if Stude used General tires back then? I thought they were big on Firestones.

Does anyone know if the plug wires on prewar cars were rubber insulated? Or were they still wearing the cloth wrapping I remember seeing on some 30's cars when I used to deal with them.

Forgive me if I also mention that there appears to be quite a bit of varnish on the outside of that low mileage carb. That and all the little nicks on the radiator brace rod and the top of the oil filter cannister.

Not trying to shoot you down here, EW. But if WE can dispell any doubts here, you'll have the blessings of this group to tuck into your folder of "certifications".[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 10:03 PM
I have been humbled and advised that I owe you an apoligy. There fore I do humbly offer you my apoligy. I hope everything turns out well for you and your god father.
studedick from the lower Ozarks

Dick Clemens
09-09-2007, 10:03 PM
I have been humbled and advised that I owe you an apoligy. There fore I do humbly offer you my apoligy. I hope everything turns out well for you and your god father.
studedick from the lower Ozarks

wally
09-09-2007, 10:59 PM
I would like to ask a couple of questions of the experts here: When did Studebaker start using rear axles with that removeable diff inspection cover? I also am curious as to what region of the country has the type of temperate, dry climate that would preserve a car as well as this one? Has it been stored indoors in the high deserts of the Southwest for all these years? Thanks! And, Herbie--Thanks, for letting us know about this car, and hope you can find that car a really, truly good home that will preserve it for posterity.

wally
09-09-2007, 10:59 PM
I would like to ask a couple of questions of the experts here: When did Studebaker start using rear axles with that removeable diff inspection cover? I also am curious as to what region of the country has the type of temperate, dry climate that would preserve a car as well as this one? Has it been stored indoors in the high deserts of the Southwest for all these years? Thanks! And, Herbie--Thanks, for letting us know about this car, and hope you can find that car a really, truly good home that will preserve it for posterity.

JDP
09-09-2007, 11:26 PM
Most rust belter's don't realize how some climates simply don't promote much rust. I just had a 64 2 door sedan here from AZ and the most of unpainted hardware had not even surface rusted,, but did within a few weeks of arriving in Md.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
09-09-2007, 11:26 PM
Most rust belter's don't realize how some climates simply don't promote much rust. I just had a 64 2 door sedan here from AZ and the most of unpainted hardware had not even surface rusted,, but did within a few weeks of arriving in Md.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Scott
09-10-2007, 09:03 AM
I'm sure that a Ford of the same body style and age and condition would get over $50,000 for sure. This is a better car, a rarer car, and a better looking car. I still say $65,000 at auction is conservative.

Scott
09-10-2007, 09:03 AM
I'm sure that a Ford of the same body style and age and condition would get over $50,000 for sure. This is a better car, a rarer car, and a better looking car. I still say $65,000 at auction is conservative.

EWHerbie
09-10-2007, 08:01 PM
First Dick :)I honestly accept your apology, you would not be one of the experts I was looking for if you did not challenge an outrages story like this. You and the other that comment on this story are the true experts and preservers of this great car history, I graciously tip my hat to all of you.

Just to comment, the car was stored in a nice cement floor garage in suburban Detroit, anyone that has lived there know that it is hell on cars. The garage was well sealed with a quality door, so the moisture level was not to bad.

Forgive me I can not find the name of the person that questioned the front seat and the door panels not matching, just to let you know I have started a list of questions that all of you have come up with that I can't answer to ask my godfather. He has already corrected one of my mistakes, he received the car in 1957 a few more years after the original owner died. I briefly told him today about what I had done on your site and he is ecstatic to see what you all have written. I will be printing these comments out and sending them to him in a couple weeks, so keep them coming.

Again Thank you for helping me give the praise this car and my godfather deserves. :)

EWHerbie
09-10-2007, 08:01 PM
First Dick :)I honestly accept your apology, you would not be one of the experts I was looking for if you did not challenge an outrages story like this. You and the other that comment on this story are the true experts and preservers of this great car history, I graciously tip my hat to all of you.

Just to comment, the car was stored in a nice cement floor garage in suburban Detroit, anyone that has lived there know that it is hell on cars. The garage was well sealed with a quality door, so the moisture level was not to bad.

Forgive me I can not find the name of the person that questioned the front seat and the door panels not matching, just to let you know I have started a list of questions that all of you have come up with that I can't answer to ask my godfather. He has already corrected one of my mistakes, he received the car in 1957 a few more years after the original owner died. I briefly told him today about what I had done on your site and he is ecstatic to see what you all have written. I will be printing these comments out and sending them to him in a couple weeks, so keep them coming.

Again Thank you for helping me give the praise this car and my godfather deserves. :)

rockne10
09-10-2007, 08:30 PM
I would recommend replacing the oil pressure sending hose or, at the very least, get a new one to carry in the glovebox. Untouched or not, that thing's too sweet. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://www.4wheelz.net/virtual/images/rockne/1928_rockne03_f820_th.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

rockne10
09-10-2007, 08:30 PM
I would recommend replacing the oil pressure sending hose or, at the very least, get a new one to carry in the glovebox. Untouched or not, that thing's too sweet. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://www.4wheelz.net/virtual/images/rockne/1928_rockne03_f820_th.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

Sonny
09-11-2007, 01:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by EWHerbie

Hi,
I just found your web site and knew that this were I could get a question answered, by the experts.
My Godfather is a Studebacker owner and is age 80 with no computer knowledge, so I am doing some fact finding for him. The car has never been aprased for its value but he has always wanted to know its value. The following is a history of the car and trust when I tell you that every word is the gods honest true. Can someone give me an expert price on its value. If I can attach a pic I will.

1940 Studebaker Commander purchased by my godfathers landlord in late 1939 I believe. Owned by him until his death in 1952 when his widow gave it to my godfather. Owned to this day by my godfather. Car was garage kept its entire life, NEVER RAINED ON. All original, two parts replaced but original parts kept. (Spark plugs and fuel pump)It has 1500 miles on it, yes 1500 original miles, if I'm lieing I'm dieing. Starts after five pumps of the gas, drives like new. People do not believe the story until they see it. Original bill of sale in the glovebox with owners manual.

Any help would be great. I plan to show this site to my godfather on my next trip to his home. Thanks


Herbie,

What a stunning automobile! I'm not talking just about it's condition, I just never realized how beautiful these pre-war Studebakers were. That Commander just oozes class! In fact, I'd say that a Packard of the same year had little, save a longer hood and more dramatic radiator shell, over this Studebaker Commander! My personal opinion, if at all possible, keep it in the family, your children and their children will thank you for it....

As for believing the details about the car, no rude rebuffs here. [:I] After seeing the pictures, there is absolutely, positively, no doubt in my mind that this car is exactly what you say it is.

I'm 58 years old, have been around cars all my life. In my experience, general old car experience, all of the questions about this car are easily explained. The car WAS maintained, started and driven, obviously with great, loving care. The engine and components was/is painted with old enamel paint, get oil and/or oil/fuel fumes on it, it deteriorates, (I'm actually surprised that it's in such good condition). I'd be willing to bet that even the engine was wiped down in this car! Fuel pump diaphragms deteriorate into mush just from sitting in gasoline.... spark plugs foul from slow turning, long-time-in-between, low battery, cold starts and flooding.... old paper carb. gaskets deteriorate to the point where they "weep" from every joint in the carb, as well as the needle and seat needing readjustment, allowing the fuel in the bowl to run over, causing flooding.... the accelerator pump dries up like a raisin allowing fuel to come out of the top of the carb.... My grandfather's brand new '55 Packard 400 had those ugly, clear vinyl seat covers, (covering every seat and arm rest), with the little gold stars and built in bumps all over them, the DAY it came home from the dealer. I'm sure that you'll find the original seats, in beautiful condition, under the cover on the seats.... The plastic of the knobs, steering wheel, horn button, etc, DO have the patina of age, those items were snow white when that car rolled off the assembly line! Fer cryin' out loud, just lookin' at the white sidewalls, there's more cracks in 'em than a division of Woman Marines and a 1940 tag on the car being a determining factor as to ANYthing concerning this car?!?! [:o)][8]

Ah well.... Anyway, I'm in there with ya Herbie, a stunningly well cared for, original Commander. Yep, people actually can and DO lavish this level of love and care on a machine. There's no doubt, a true survivor, deserving of the same level of care the REST of it's life....

Thanks a million for sharing this with us Herbie, ya

Sonny
09-11-2007, 01:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by EWHerbie

Hi,
I just found your web site and knew that this were I could get a question answered, by the experts.
My Godfather is a Studebacker owner and is age 80 with no computer knowledge, so I am doing some fact finding for him. The car has never been aprased for its value but he has always wanted to know its value. The following is a history of the car and trust when I tell you that every word is the gods honest true. Can someone give me an expert price on its value. If I can attach a pic I will.

1940 Studebaker Commander purchased by my godfathers landlord in late 1939 I believe. Owned by him until his death in 1952 when his widow gave it to my godfather. Owned to this day by my godfather. Car was garage kept its entire life, NEVER RAINED ON. All original, two parts replaced but original parts kept. (Spark plugs and fuel pump)It has 1500 miles on it, yes 1500 original miles, if I'm lieing I'm dieing. Starts after five pumps of the gas, drives like new. People do not believe the story until they see it. Original bill of sale in the glovebox with owners manual.

Any help would be great. I plan to show this site to my godfather on my next trip to his home. Thanks


Herbie,

What a stunning automobile! I'm not talking just about it's condition, I just never realized how beautiful these pre-war Studebakers were. That Commander just oozes class! In fact, I'd say that a Packard of the same year had little, save a longer hood and more dramatic radiator shell, over this Studebaker Commander! My personal opinion, if at all possible, keep it in the family, your children and their children will thank you for it....

As for believing the details about the car, no rude rebuffs here. [:I] After seeing the pictures, there is absolutely, positively, no doubt in my mind that this car is exactly what you say it is.

I'm 58 years old, have been around cars all my life. In my experience, general old car experience, all of the questions about this car are easily explained. The car WAS maintained, started and driven, obviously with great, loving care. The engine and components was/is painted with old enamel paint, get oil and/or oil/fuel fumes on it, it deteriorates, (I'm actually surprised that it's in such good condition). I'd be willing to bet that even the engine was wiped down in this car! Fuel pump diaphragms deteriorate into mush just from sitting in gasoline.... spark plugs foul from slow turning, long-time-in-between, low battery, cold starts and flooding.... old paper carb. gaskets deteriorate to the point where they "weep" from every joint in the carb, as well as the needle and seat needing readjustment, allowing the fuel in the bowl to run over, causing flooding.... the accelerator pump dries up like a raisin allowing fuel to come out of the top of the carb.... My grandfather's brand new '55 Packard 400 had those ugly, clear vinyl seat covers, (covering every seat and arm rest), with the little gold stars and built in bumps all over them, the DAY it came home from the dealer. I'm sure that you'll find the original seats, in beautiful condition, under the cover on the seats.... The plastic of the knobs, steering wheel, horn button, etc, DO have the patina of age, those items were snow white when that car rolled off the assembly line! Fer cryin' out loud, just lookin' at the white sidewalls, there's more cracks in 'em than a division of Woman Marines and a 1940 tag on the car being a determining factor as to ANYthing concerning this car?!?! [:o)][8]

Ah well.... Anyway, I'm in there with ya Herbie, a stunningly well cared for, original Commander. Yep, people actually can and DO lavish this level of love and care on a machine. There's no doubt, a true survivor, deserving of the same level of care the REST of it's life....

Thanks a million for sharing this with us Herbie, ya

EWHerbie
09-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Hi all,

I took the advise of mbstude and posted all the pics I have at this time on Webshots. Here is the link enjoy.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/560659240TJZGgc?vhost=good-times:D

EWHerbie
09-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Hi all,

I took the advise of mbstude and posted all the pics I have at this time on Webshots. Here is the link enjoy.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/560659240TJZGgc?vhost=good-times:D

Starlite51
09-11-2007, 11:56 PM
Well all I can say ... that is an truly exquisite rolling piece of artwork to behold ... I watched the slide show 3 times ...

as I tell everyone they are still out there and you are the proof ....

thanks for sharing

John Sweeney
Folsom CA
1951 Studebaker Champion Regal Business Coupe
1940 Mercury Conv (hers)
2000 Excelsior- Henderson (also orphan)
"Lone Dog ... No Woof"
www.cruisinnews.com
www.renoswapmeet.com

Starlite51
09-11-2007, 11:56 PM
Well all I can say ... that is an truly exquisite rolling piece of artwork to behold ... I watched the slide show 3 times ...

as I tell everyone they are still out there and you are the proof ....

thanks for sharing

John Sweeney
Folsom CA
1951 Studebaker Champion Regal Business Coupe
1940 Mercury Conv (hers)
2000 Excelsior- Henderson (also orphan)
"Lone Dog ... No Woof"
www.cruisinnews.com
www.renoswapmeet.com

EWHerbie
06-08-2008, 11:37 PM
After all these years my godfather is finally getting the car appraised!!!![:0]

Retired
06-09-2008, 03:14 AM
Attention is directed to the wiper blades and arms? Any comments?

Lark Parker
06-09-2008, 09:53 AM
Truly an impressive car. Thanks for the pics and posting.

I am interested in whether the spark plug wires were replaced and whether the "old" ones were kept. My somewhat low mileage 39 President had amber colored cloth covered wires and I thought that they might have been original. If you run across that bit of trivia it would be of interest to me.
But, my cloth wires could have been just handy replacement wires that the previous owner had handy. ( He was a mechanic.) Also, Studebaker could have switched to black wire in 1940. So far I haven't found a source that covers the subject.

For what its worth, my President has a General tire as a spare that looks like it could be original. Its hard as concrete but holds air.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n4/larkparker/Miscellaneous/caryreduced.jpg Lark Parker
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arkiejazz
06-09-2008, 05:14 PM
[:o)]Just wondering what the appraiser ended up saying?[:o)]

steve blake
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jnormanh
06-09-2008, 07:27 PM
I just don't see how this could be a restored car. There are too many tiny details that aren't perfect, and which a restorer would have taken care of. The only question I would have is the exensive tire wear for 1405 miles, but there may be an explanation for that.

Some years ago there was advertised in Hemmings a 1940 Plymouth, original owner and 0 miles. He reportedly bought the car, drove it home, somehow got it into his living room, and there it sat, still flawless as original.

I know there is also a brand new 1969 Sprite, stored, untouched, in a basement in CO.

bullet_nose_stude
06-09-2008, 07:35 PM
Fer cryin' out loud, just lookin' at the white sidewalls, there's more cracks in 'em than a division of Woman Marines and a 1940 tag on the car being a determining factor as to ANYthing concerning this car?!?! [:o)][8]


aaaaaaahahaaha........that's a hoot - I apologize for the lack of Stude content - just had to thank you for that remark.

Son O Lark
06-11-2008, 05:00 AM
Maybe someone "borrowed " the tire for a different car. Later they put it back on when they dicovered it was old and wearing fast.:D