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BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:03 AM
Many Forum members have been following my odd quest to accumulate all four 1964 Studebaker Daytona models (body styles) in the same color, Astra White. That quest was completed 115 miles south of Dallas TX in the little town of Eddy on Thursday, January 31, 2013. :D

I hadn't set out to do this when buying my 1964 Daytona Hardtop 36 years ago, but when I chanced onto a 1964 Daytona Sedan in Astra White in 2002, I thought..."Gee, why not get the other two 1964 Daytona body styles in Astra White and have a whole set?" :rolleyes:

The hardtop was built October 23, 1963 and I purchased it September 20, 1977.
The sedan was built September 23, 1963, and I purchased it August 28, 2002:
http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/64sedht_zpsfed01419.jpg

You'd think a South-Bend-built Astra White 1964 Daytona Convertible would be the hardest of the set to find, because they only built 99 of them. Fortunately, I was able to acquire one of the 99 from Forum Member Leonard Shepherd Jr. on October 18, 2007. It was built September 5, 1963.

Of those 99 convertibles, 17 were built with black tops and black interiors. This is the first one of the 17, arriving in Brownsburg IN a couple days after purchase from Leonard in Richmond VA:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/64convertarrival_zpsb019f6a9.jpg

An Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaire, preferably South-Bend built with sliding roof, proved more elusive. (Yes, a fixed-roof version would technically not be a Wagonaire.) I don't know how many they made, but it was surely more than 99. However, wagons tend to be used harder than convertibles, so we would expect them to have a higher attrition rate. :(

I had looked at two Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaires in the last ten years, but, quite frankly, they were grossly overpriced; I mean, terribly overpriced by at least 50% or more...for what they were; everything is worth something.

Finally, with special thanks to Finland SDCer Pekka Polvinen for putting me onto it, my long time (44-years!) SDC friend Howe K. Clark Jr. and I just returned from Texas Friday evening, February 1, with my "new" Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaire on the car trailer. Round trip for acquisition was 2,033 miles on the trip odometer.

There were several reasons we had to get it ASAP, so took a chance on the weather and headed out at the crack of dawn Wednesday morning, January 30. Indianapolis had already set a record high temperature for the day earlier in the morning; 65 degrees at 1:30 AM. We got out just in time; within 24 hours it was well below freezing!

God surely blessed our mission for the return trip: On Thursday evening, January 31, there was a bad snow storm that produced a terrible 40-50 car pileup on a stretch of I-70 that we would travel the very next day; Friday, February 1. However, by the time we went through 24 hours later, it was single-digit cold but the sky was crystal clear and the road was bone dry!

Here is the Wagonaire at its new home in central Indiana. It was built October 30, 1963 and shipped to Texas November 8, 1963. So AFAIK, it was away from home almost 50 years until brought back Friday, February 1, 2013:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4235_zps31868099.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4234_zpse8b85149.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4231_zps0cab7647.jpg

But the very next morning, barely 8 hours after the above pictures were taken, this is what we woke up to! "No problem;" we were safely back home:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4238_zpse7633fc6.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4239_zpse5517159.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4237_zps47783641.jpg

YIPES! :woot:

On Thursday, January 31, it had been much warmer in Eddy TX, when SDCer Vic Collingham tendered the keys to the Wagonaire:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4219_zps0735cd31.jpg

The car runs and drives well, but Vic advised that it was sans battery, so I knew to bring my own. Howe Clark was certain to snap an appropriate photo of the battery hold-down being securely in place before the Wagonaire was driven onto the trailer:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4216_zps086f5744.jpg

Yes, the car needs paint but rust issues are so negligible as to be non-existant for a midwesterner...and I bought the car only 17 miles north of where it was shipped and delivered new: Temple TX. Small world!

Thanks again so much, Pekka, Victor, and Howe.

Now, off to shovel snow...and now that I think of it, I believe that's the first time I've ever seen an overnight snow on the 2002 Dakota Quad Cab I bought new in August 2002! I don't use it for much except trailering; it turned only 38,000 miles on the way back from Texas on this trip, spending most of its time in the Morton Building with the car collection. :cool:BP

8E45E
02-02-2013, 08:13 AM
Very nice, Bob! But how did that battery jumping warning label end up on the inner fender??!?

Craig

mbstude
02-02-2013, 08:14 AM
Congrats BP, it's cool to see you finally complete the quartet. Looking forward to seeing all four of them in a group shot.

bob40
02-02-2013, 08:28 AM
Congratulations!

studeski
02-02-2013, 08:30 AM
Congrats Bob! One more reason to bow toward Brownsburg every morning. :)

sweetolbob
02-02-2013, 08:33 AM
Bob

Thanks for the history in the post and congrats on finally finding the missing piece. We rode the back side of that front all the way to Florida after it had expended it's energy and had great driving.

In any case, it appears to be in excellent shape for it's age and I'll be looking forward to more shots as you get further into it.

Well done, Bob

Pat Dilling
02-02-2013, 08:41 AM
Congratulations! So now the decision of which to drive becomes even more difficult!

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:42 AM
Congrats BP, it's cool to see you finally complete the quartet. Looking forward to seeing all four of them in a group shot.

Thanks, all.

(Right, Matthew; a "family photo" will have to wait for summertime since everyone else is bedded down for the duration...but at least all four are in the same place now. :D) BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:44 AM
Very nice, Bob! But how did that battery jumping warning label end up on the inner fender??!?

Craig

Beats me, Craig; I sure didn't put it there! :confused: :cool: BP

8E45E
02-02-2013, 08:50 AM
Beats me, Craig; I sure didn't put it there! :confused: :cool: BP


I bet if you did, it would now include the sentence, "Both batteries must be secured with hold downs!!"

Craig

DEEPNHOCK
02-02-2013, 08:51 AM
That is just OCD.....
(obsessive/compulsive disorder, or old car dimentia?.....you decide!:!:)

JoeHall
02-02-2013, 08:53 AM
Congrats Bob ! With a good look-over first, it looks like it coulda made it back to Indi under its own steam. Under the hood, it looks like it has never been exposed to the elements, i.e. the hood latch cable & anchors have almost NO oxidation.
Good score :)

2moredoors
02-02-2013, 09:06 AM
Good work. You must be really pleased with your fleet of '64's.

jclary
02-02-2013, 09:12 AM
Well...that certainly explains why it has been so quiet (here on the forum) from the Palma Empire for the last few days!

Welcome back! We eagerly await the coming pictures and reports as you bring this machine back to its former glory!:):!!::)

jackb
02-02-2013, 09:15 AM
....to me, there is nothing like a snow covered Stude......better yet..driving down the road with the opposing wipers on......parking lights only......I had every reason/intention to be doing just that with my SW 1962 wagon , but I'm not on calender...GL BP !

Invalid User Name
02-02-2013, 10:09 AM
this could make "Drive Your Studebaker Day" a pretty tuff choice for you!

Milaca
02-02-2013, 10:31 AM
Bob has too many cars to bring to a car show now, so I guess we will all have to bring our Studebakers to his house for a car show. Do you think your neighbors would be okay with that? ;)
Nice collection Bob, good luck with them.

Stu Chapman
02-02-2013, 10:38 AM
Many Forum members have been following my odd quest to accumulate all four 1964 Studebaker Daytona models (body styles) in the same color, Astra White. That quest was completed 115 miles south of Dallas TX in the little town of Eddy on Thursday, January 31, 2013. :D

I hadn't set out to do this when buying my 1964 Daytona Hardtop in 36 years ago, but when I chanced onto a 1964 Daytona Sedan in Astra White in 2002, I thought..."Gee, why not get the other two 1964 Daytona body styles in Astra White and have a whole set?" :rolleyes:

The hardtop was built October 23, 1963 and I purchased it September 20, 1977.
The sedan was built September 23, 1963, and I purchased it August 28, 2002:
http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/64sedht_zpsfed01419.jpg

You'd think a South-Bend-built Astra White 1964 Daytona Convertible would be the hardest of the set to find, because they only built 99 of them. Fortunately, I was able to acquire one of the 99 from Forum Member Leonard Shepherd Jr. on October 18, 2007. It was built September 5, 1963.

Of those 99 convertibles, 17 were built with black tops and black interiors. This is the first one of the 17, arriving in Brownsburg IN a couple days after purchase from Leonard in Richmond VA:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/64convertarrival_zpsb019f6a9.jpg

An Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaire, preferably South-Bend built with sliding roof, proved more elusive. (Yes, a fixed-roof version would technically not be a Wagonaire.) I don't know how many they made, but it was surely more than 99. However, wagons tend to be used harder than convertibles, so we would expect them to have a higher attrition rate. :(

I had looked at two Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaires in the last ten years, but, quite frankly, they were grossly overpriced; I mean, terribly overpriced by at least 50% or more...for what they were; everything is worth something.

Finally, with special thanks to Finland SDCer Pekka Polvinen for putting me onto it, my long time (44-years!) SDC friend Howe K. Clark Jr. and I just returned from Texas Friday evening, February 1, with my "new" Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaire on the car trailer. Round trip for acquisition was 2,033 miles on the trip odometer.

There were several reasons we had to get it ASAP, so took a chance on the weather and headed out at the crack of dawn Wednesday morning, January 30. Indianapolis had already set a record high temperature for the day earlier in the morning; 65 degrees at 1:30 AM. We got out just in time; within 24 hours it was well below freezing!

God surely blessed our mission for the return trip: On Thursday evening, January 31, there was a bad snow storm that produced a terrible 40-50 car pileup on a stretch of I-70 that we would travel the very next day; Friday, February 1. However, by the time we went through 24 hours later, it was single-digit cold but the sky was crystal clear and the road was bone dry!

So, upon arrival at home Friday evening, here is the Wagonaire at its new home in central Indiana:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4235_zps31868099.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4234_zpse8b85149.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4231_zps0cab7647.jpg

But the very next morning, barely 8 hours after the above pictures were taken, this is what we woke up to! "No problem;" we were safely back home:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4238_zpse7633fc6.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4239_zpse5517159.jpg

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4237_zps47783641.jpg

YIPES! :woot:

On Thursday, January 31, it had been much warmer in Eddy TX, when SDCer Vic Collingham tendered the keys to the Wagonaire:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4219_zps0735cd31.jpg

The car runs and drives well, but Vic advised that it was sans battery, so I knew to bring my own. Howe Clark was certain to snap an appropriate photo of the battery hold-down being securely in place before the Wagonaire was driven onto the trailer:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF4216_zps086f5744.jpg

Yes, the car needs paint but rust issues are so negligible as to be non-existant for a midwesterner...and I bought the car only 17 miles north of where it was shipped and delivered new: Temple TX. Small world!

Thanks again so much, Pekka, Victor, and Howe.

Now, off to shovel snow...and now that I think of it, I believe that's the first time I've ever seen an overnight snow on the 2002 Dakota Quad Cab I bought new in August 2002! I don't use it for much except trailering; it turned only 38,000 miles on the way back from Texas on this trip, spending most of its time in the Morton Building with the car collection. :cool:BP

Way to go Bob...now you can start on an all-Canadian set, either 65 or 66.
Stu Chapman

gordr
02-02-2013, 11:00 AM
Congratulations, Bob, on completing the four-fecta!

LeoH
02-02-2013, 11:07 AM
Wow, that wagon's engine and compartment looks awesome.

I'm confused on your Wagonaire sentence, are there fixed and sliding roof wagons made and if so, don't you still have one more to hunt down?

Stu, there's also the earlier 60s models with the Champ pickup to acquire!

beatnik64
02-02-2013, 11:09 AM
WAY TO GO BOB!....gotta love them 64's such a great year.

Bill Pressler
02-02-2013, 11:21 AM
Geez, Bob, does that thing look solid! Good for you!! Is that a driver's side blue headrest I'm seeing?

studegary
02-02-2013, 11:24 AM
Bob P. - Congrat's. on completing your quest!
That looks like a very well kept Wagonaire, especially compared to cars from the northeast. It points up why, for the past 20 years I have only bought used cars for myself from outside this area and had them transported to me.
Your Wagonaire appears to have a manual rear window. I think that is unusual for a Daytona.
How is your Wagonaire equipped? Does it have buckets, rear step, AM/FM, etc.?

StudeRich
02-02-2013, 11:28 AM
Congrats Bob I am very happy for you! I don't think my South Bend '64 Daytona Stratto Blue collection will ever match your full set, but I did manage to collect the Daytona Sedan and Hardtop. The Sedan is the 37th V8 Studebaker built at South Bend for '64, built Aug. 12, '63

That is a great looking Wagonaire, I am sure you will be happy with it.
Do I see a left tail pipe? That is a good possibility that it is a 289 then. I know you were looking for a car with acceptable original Paint, but after this many years I think that is highly unlikely, so getting one that you can see the original condition is probably the best you could do given the Wagonaire body style requirement.

It also looks like you got your Blue Interior as well. :!: With Black, Blue and Tan ones, (do I remember right?) Red would have been nice, but hey I would call that plenty good enough.

I wonder what the chances are that this is one of the United Press UPI cars? (OPPS, I guess not, no Power Window) The one we had to part out was too far gone to save (for Westerners at least!).

I am glad you got back safely and smoothly in the nick of time, take care. Rich. from "Club '64"!

Update in Med. Blue.

silverhawk
02-02-2013, 11:36 AM
Congrats Mr.Palma!!

StudeRich
02-02-2013, 11:39 AM
/Cut/Your Wagonaire appears to have a manual rear window. I think that is unusual for a Daytona.
How is your Wagonaire equipped? Does it have buckets, rear step, AM/FM, etc.?

Come on Gary, how lucky do you think one Guy can be? :D Buckets, Power Window and AM/FM? not likely!

I do have to disagree about the Power window though, I don't know about NorthEastern Cars, but I have seen many, many '63 & '64's from West of the Rockies and maybe 2 or 3 '64's had the Power window, but they were ordered on Daytonas though.
I had a '63 Daytona in 1968 that had the Power Tailgate Window, but they were very few and far between.

Skinnys Garage
02-02-2013, 12:11 PM
Congrats Bob! Got a line on a rusty Astra White, blue interior, fixed roof Commander wagon if you feel the need to branch out your collection.......;)

candbstudebakers
02-02-2013, 01:04 PM
As always Bob thanks for the snow job.

Roscomacaw
02-02-2013, 01:04 PM
Good goin', Bob! Somewhere (up there), Sherwood and Brooks are watching from their villa patio - wine glasses half full - and grinning broadly. I'd pursue such an endeavor, but I'd never be able to find a '57 or '58 Convertible, so why try?

studerodder
02-02-2013, 01:13 PM
Congratulations. that one looks like it will be driving soon!

62champ
02-02-2013, 03:10 PM
Sorry Mr. Palma - I am calling a foul on this one... Unless it was inadvertently not pictured or mentioned, I see nothing about a two door sedan anywhere...(not that you could have bought a Daytona two door sedan...)

Beach Motors in Temple, Texas, was frequented on occasions by relatives on my father's side of the family. Home for them was only 25 miles southeast. My dad was 19 years old when he asked to test drive a 1963 white/orange seat Avanti at that same dealership - salesman told him he could drive it when he came in with cash for a down payment.

My 7E7 was sold new at that same dealer as well as a former '66 Cruiser owned by my Uncle Denson.

I know the metal is probably in good shape - hope the Texas sun was nice to the soft interior parts.

StudeRich
02-02-2013, 04:37 PM
Good idea Pat (62champ), someone needs to build one.
A '64 Commander with Daytona side trim and '65 SportS Sedan window Mouldings or a '65 Daytona Sports Sedan with a Stude. 289 Engine and the side Mouldings properly painted. :!!:

LarkTruck
02-02-2013, 04:39 PM
I'm not a card player, would that be a full house, or four of a kind? ATTABOY BOB!!!!!!!
Jim

8E45E
02-02-2013, 05:51 PM
I do have to disagree about the Power window though, I don't know about NorthEastern Cars, but I have seen many, many '63 & '64's from West of the Rockies and maybe 2 or 3 '64's had the Power window, but they were ordered on Daytonas though.
I had a '63 Daytona in 1968 that had the Power Tailgate Window, but they were very few and far between.[/B][/COLOR]

I'm with you there, Rich. A wagon/Wagonaire with a power tailgate window is far rarer than a manual one; even on Daytonas.

Craig

mrjazzmillcreek
02-02-2013, 05:53 PM
Congradulations Bob on your latest 64.I used to have 3 64 Daytonas in Golden Sand a 4 door, a Wagonaire and a convertible,b ut no hardtop

studebakersteve
02-02-2013, 05:56 PM
Congratulations Bob,Looks like the guy in Boulder blew it!

JBOYLE
02-02-2013, 05:58 PM
Great news!
Probably a first (and last) for the club.

You mentioned your quest for a white wagon when I visited in 2011, I'm happy you found one.

unclemiltie
02-02-2013, 06:11 PM
Congrats on a nice addition to the stable

dnevin
02-02-2013, 06:18 PM
That sure is a pretty little wagon! Congrats.

SN-60
02-02-2013, 06:19 PM
This thread made Me think about how cool it would be to own one of every series '56 Studebaker Hawk.....not necessarily in the same color though!

Studedude
02-02-2013, 07:04 PM
Cool beans!!!!!

rockinhawk
02-02-2013, 07:22 PM
OK Bob, I guess i'll go ahead and finish parting out the one I was saving for you.

Corvanti
02-02-2013, 07:27 PM
Cool beans!!!!!

you beat me to using that line! ;)

congrats, Bob. :!:

fastfritz
02-02-2013, 07:47 PM
Way to go Bob!!!! Can't wait to see them lined up together when the weather co-operates. I can see a future TW cover shot in the making!!

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:41 PM
Congrats Bob ! With a good look-over first, it looks like it coulda made it back to Indi under its own steam. Under the hood, it looks like it has never been exposed to the elements, i.e. the hood latch cable & anchors have almost NO oxidation. Good score :)

Thanks, Joe. It's been off the road about 4 years, so with questionable winter weather, I'd not consider taking off for 1,000 miles with only a day and a half in which to make the return trip. 'Too many variables! :o BP

StudeRich
02-02-2013, 08:44 PM
This thread made Me think about how cool it would be to own one of every series '56 Studebaker Hawk.....not necessarily in the same color though!

Right Ed, I would want Red, White, Blue and maybe a Dark Blue-Green.

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:45 PM
Way to go Bob...now you can start on an all-Canadian set, either 65 or 66.
Stu Chapman

Thanks, Stu, but I'm done buying collector cars without first parting with one, and there are none I'd consider selling.

My Morton Building holds 9 vehicles. For some time I've had 7 collector cars and my truck in it with one specific, dedicated space remaining for an Astra White 1964 Studebaker Daytona Wagonaire.

And it's here! :!: BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:48 PM
Wow, that wagon's engine and compartment looks awesome.

I'm confused on your Wagonaire sentence, are there fixed and sliding roof wagons made and if so, don't you still have one more to hunt down?

Yes, Leo, a fixed-roof option with $100 retail credit on the window sticker became available shortly after the 1963 Wagonaire was introduced. It made no difference as to the trim level in either 1963 or 1964; all wagons had a sliding roof standard equipment unless you specified fixed roof option.

Technically, as I said, fixed-roof models were not identified as Wagonaires; just "station wagons." :cool: BP

Kurt
02-02-2013, 08:53 PM
Looks good Bob. I will have to look you up and take a peek at your new ride the next time I am in your area.

studefan
02-02-2013, 08:54 PM
Congrats BOB!!!! Jeff

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:54 PM
Geez, Bob, does that thing look solid! Good for you!! Is that a driver's side blue headrest I'm seeing?

Well, Bill; nothing is as good as it looks in pictures, but my statement as to "rust realities" for midwesterners is, I feel, accurate and pleasing for those of us who have "been there, done that."

I haven't seen this nice a frame in decades, and hope that I might even locate the secret serial number. ('Haven't checked, yet, though; it's too cold out there...'did check the anti-freeze strength within an hour of arriving home and found it to be 15 below, so it was good.)

The car was ordered and equipped with blue vinyl, individually-adjustable reclining front seats with head rests. :) BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 08:58 PM
Bob P. - Congrat's. on completing your quest!
That looks like a very well kept Wagonaire, especially compared to cars from the northeast. It points up why, for the past 20 years I have only bought used cars for myself from outside this area and had them transported to me.
Your Wagonaire appears to have a manual rear window. I think that is unusual for a Daytona.
How is your Wagonaire equipped? Does it have buckets, rear step, AM/FM, etc.?

Thanks, Gary. Yes, I'm pleased it has manual rear window, manual steering, and manual drum brakes; fewer things to fail and leak!

'Does have factory-installed roof rack, AM PB radio only, and dealer-installed clock. Clock is correct but not on the Production Order. Everything else matches the order. :) BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:06 PM
That is a great looking Wagonaire, I am sure you will be happy with it.
Do I see a left tail pipe? That is a good possibility that it is a 289 then. I know you were looking for a car with acceptable original Paint, but after this many years I think that is highly unlikely, so getting one that you can see the original condition is probably the best you could do given the Wagonaire body style requirement.

It also looks like you got your Blue Interior as well. :!: With Black, Blue and Tan ones, (do I remember right?) Red would have been nice, but hey I would call that plenty good enough.

I wonder what the chances are that this is one of the United Press UPI cars? (OPPS, I guess not, no Power Window) The one we had to part out was too far gone to save (for Westerners at least!).

I am glad you got back safely and smoothly in the nick of time, take care. Rich. from "Club '64"!

Update in Med. Blue.

Thanks, Rich. You do see a left tail pipe. The car was built with 180 HP 259 and Flightomatic, both of which it still has. Someone added dual exhausts along the way. :D They are fairly new and nicely done with glass-packs, so it sounds more powerful than it is. ;)

No, it is not a United Press International car, simply because it is not called out as such on the Production Order, and was shipped to Temple TX, not the DC area (thank goodness!).

Ironically, the first one I looked at, maybe five years ago, was a former UPI car in Fredericksburg VA, advertised in Turning Wheels. It had been made over a couple times and was hiding more previous rust than I care to buy, regardless of "present" appearance. :eek:

Yes, it has a blue interior like the sedan, whereas the hardtop has brown interior and the convertible, as stated, black. BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:08 PM
Congrats Bob! Got a line on a rusty Astra White, blue interior, fixed roof Commander wagon if you feel the need to branch out your collection.......;)

Thanks, Skinny, but I'm done! 'Not interested in any more unless they are better than the one(s) I have. :cool: BP

plwindish
02-02-2013, 09:10 PM
Congrats on getting "4 of a kind" under the same roof!

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:12 PM
Sorry Mr. Palma - I am calling a foul on this one... Unless it was inadvertently not pictured or mentioned, I see nothing about a two door sedan anywhere...(not that you could have bought a Daytona two door sedan...)

Beach Motors in Temple, Texas, was frequented on occasions by relatives on my father's side of the family. Home for them was only 25 miles southeast. My dad was 19 years old when he asked to test drive a 1963 white/orange seat Avanti at that same dealership - salesman told him he could drive it when he came in with cash for a down payment.

My 7E7 was sold new at that same dealer as well as a former '66 Cruiser owned by my Uncle Denson.

I know the metal is probably in good shape - hope the Texas sun was nice to the soft interior parts.

Thanks, Patrick. The interior could use a little attention, but not much at all for a sunny-climate car; no crystallized dash overlay or anything.

As you've probably figured out, there was no "F" body Daytona in the 1964 model line. Even after South Bend production was discontinued, they continued producing "J" body Daytona hardtops at Hamilton Assembly through the end of the 1964 model year.

Of course, those were discontinued for 1965 and 1966 and replaced with the F-body (B-pillar) Daytona Sports Sedan.

Thank you for the report on the dealer's name in Temple; Beach Motors. Had it been on the way home, I would have tried to loctate the selling dealer's building and photograph the wagon in front of it. But, alas, Temple was the wrong way from "home," so we had to forego that. :( BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:19 PM
Way to go Bob!!!! Can't wait to see them lined up together when the weather co-operates. I can see a future TW cover shot in the making!!

Thanks, Frank. (But trust me: Any such photograph will have to be carefully arranged to hide as many defects as possible! :eek:) BP

JRoberts
02-02-2013, 09:34 PM
Congratulations on completing the set. Now all you need is an Astra White 1964 two ton Transtar in order to hall all four of your Daytonas to Studebaker meets,;):rolleyes:

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:37 PM
Looks good Bob. I will have to look you up and take a peek at your new ride the next time I am in your area.

You bet, Kurt. Stop by anytime; you know where it is. :D BP

BobPalma
02-02-2013, 09:41 PM
Congratulations on completing the set. Now all you need is an Astra White 1964 two ton Transtar in order to hall all four of your Daytonas to Studebaker meets,;):rolleyes:

Thanks, Joe, and you bring up an interesting point: Technically, 1964 truck white was Parchment White, as had been used on trucks for years and was a little creamier than Astra White.

(But you can be sure they would have painted a truck Astra White if it had been necessary to make the sale!) ;) BP

BRUCESTUDE
02-02-2013, 10:03 PM
Good work, Bob! Now you NEED an Avanti, Champ truck, and a Hawk!!!!! Then you could drive a different '64 every day of the week!

PekkaP
02-02-2013, 11:15 PM
Bob, it was a pleasure to help to make this happen and I am glad that the trip and everything went well.

Cool beans, indeed !!!

Pekka

JRoberts
02-03-2013, 05:53 AM
Thanks, Joe, and you bring up an interesting point: Technically, 1964 truck white was Parchment White, as had been used on trucks for years and was a little creamier than Astra White.

(But you can be sure they would have painted a truck Astra White if it had been necessary to make the sale!) ;) BP


Bob, I was not completely sure if '64 trucks came in Astra White or not but knowing you I was sure you could track down one of those "special" ones in your favorite color. :D

BobPalma
02-03-2013, 06:08 AM
Bob, I was not completely sure if '64 trucks came in Astra White or not but knowing you I was sure you could track down one of those "special" ones in your favorite color. :D

Thanks, Joe, but no room for any more; you know the old adage, "If you can't feed 'em; don't breed 'em!" I really want all my collector vehicles inside as I live in town and, as most of us know, the midwest isn't the kindest climate in the world.

Actually, Astra White isn't my favorite color by a long shot; if I had to choose, Astra White would probably be after Bordeaux Red and Strato Blue, but I never set out to do this anyway. Had the first two been some other color, it would have been more difficult to complete the set because Astra White was probably the most common 1964 "Lark" color. Various whites were by far the most popular colors in the industry in the early 1960s, just like silvers and greys (or is it gray?) are today. :cool: BP

BobPalma
02-03-2013, 06:10 AM
Bob, it was a pleasure to help to make this happen and I am glad that the trip and everything went well.

Cool beans, indeed !!!

Pekka

Thanks again so very much, Pekka; I'll probably not be able to repay the favor in full in this lifetime. ;) BP

BobPalma
02-03-2013, 06:18 AM
Good goin', Bob! Somewhere (up there), Sherwood and Brooks are watching from their villa patio - wine glasses half full - and grinning broadly. I'd pursue such an endeavor, but I'd never be able to find a '57 or '58 Convertible, so why try?

Indeed, Bob.

As an FFF (Fellow Fifty-Seven Fancier), you would appreciate the Coppertone and White 1957 President Classic residing next to the Wagonaire in Eddy, seen in the one photo. The President is a dry southern car equipped with factory-installed Power Seat and Power Windows!:!:) BP

clonelark
02-03-2013, 06:45 AM
This thread made Me think about how cool it would be to own one of every series '56 Studebaker Hawk.....not necessarily in the same color though!




That would be a very tough & and you would have to have a very Fat checkbook these days.

8E45E
02-03-2013, 07:39 AM
Good work, Bob! Now you NEED an Avanti, Champ truck, and a Hawk!!!!! Then you could drive a different '64 every day of the week!

And maybe some more 1964 'Studebaker' items for INSIDE the house that MRS. Palma would appreciate, which would include a fridge, stove, and washer & dryer made by Studebaker's 'other products' division; which most likely, only came in white.

Craig

SN-60
02-03-2013, 09:37 AM
Thanks, Gary. Yes, I'm pleased it has manual rear window, manual steering, and manual drum brakes; fewer things to fail and leak!

'Does have factory-installed roof rack, AM PB radio only, and dealer-installed clock. Clock is correct but not on the Production Order. Everything else matches the order. :) BP


Well, I think a power steering install in the future may not be a bad idea on this baby!!

studegary
02-03-2013, 11:34 AM
I'm with you there, Rich. A wagon/Wagonaire with a power tailgate window is far rarer than a manual one; even on Daytonas.

Craig

I wonder if anyone has collected data on that. I can think of four Daytona Wagonaires in the 1970s in this area, including mine, and they all had power tailgate windows.

BobPalma
02-03-2013, 11:41 AM
Well, I think a power steering install in the future may not be a bad idea on this baby!!

It'll never happen on my watch, Ed. Even if somebody offered to put it on for free, I'd reject the offer.

1961 and newer "Larks" simply don't need power steering (IMHO, of course) with that wonderful Saginaw recirculating-ball manual steering gear. And the power steering is virtually guaranteed to leak somewhere, sooner or later, as well as creating a nice, tight, incubator around the fuel pump, thus promoting vapor lock.

Nope; I'm tickled pink this wagon does not have any "power" options to further complicate things. :D BP

jclary
02-03-2013, 11:56 AM
It'll never happen on my watch, Ed. Even if somebody offered to put it on for free, I'd reject the offer.

1961 and newer "Larks" simply don't need power steering (IMHO, of course) with that wonderful Saginaw recirculating-ball manual steering gear. And the power steering is virtually guaranteed to leak somewhere, sooner or later, as well as creating a nice, tight, incubator around the fuel pump, thus promoting vapor lock.

Nope; I'm tickled pink this wagon does not have any "power" options to further complicate things. :D BP



My thoughts exactly! Especially since these cars no longer see the kind of loads and everyday use originally intended. Nothing beats the "road feel" of mechanical steering and the simpler these machines are kept...the easier to maintain.

billslark
02-03-2013, 01:27 PM
Congratulations Bob, on the final addition to you're mached set of Daytona's.

I've been following you're quest since you bought Leonard's convertible. They might all be Astra White, but I'm Jet Green with envy.


Bill

SN-60
02-03-2013, 02:42 PM
My thoughts exactly! Especially since these cars no longer see the kind of loads and everyday use originally intended. Nothing beats the "road feel" of mechanical steering and the simpler these machines are kept...the easier to maintain.

I still see most (not all) Studebakers as everyday drivers.....but I agree that on a car only driven once in a while ....Why bother? (I wonder if Bob would REALLY refuse a FREE install (parts & labor) of power steering
on His Station Wagon?????)

StudeRich
02-03-2013, 03:33 PM
I am sure you know that Wagonaires and Convertibles with MANUAL steering have the Low geared Saginaw Steering Gear, not the slightly quicker one in other body types and all P/S Cars.

That helps quite at bit to turn these heavier Cars. :)

58PackardWagon
02-03-2013, 09:15 PM
I bought one of my 58 Packard wagons from Vic. He was great to deal with. Best of luck with your series of cars. Certainly a feat rarely seen these days.

LeoH
02-04-2013, 12:07 AM
And maybe some more 1964 'Studebaker' items for INSIDE the house that MRS. Palma would appreciate, which would include a fridge, stove, and washer & dryer made by Studebaker's 'other products' division; which most likely, only came in white.

Craig

Hmm, Craig, do you know something everyone else doesn't?

Bob, share with the class just HOW much the Mrs. would appreciate a house full of 1964 appliances.:lol:

LeoH
02-04-2013, 12:12 AM
Yes, Leo, a fixed-roof option with $100 retail credit on the window sticker became available shortly after the 1963 Wagonaire was introduced. It made no difference as to the trim level in either 1963 or 1964; all wagons had a sliding roof standard equipment unless you specified fixed roof option.

Technically, as I said, fixed-roof models were not identified as Wagonaires; just "station wagons." :cool: BP

Ok, but I'd be looking for an adjacent house in the neighborhood to buy and raze for a new garage, and THEN go for the full '64 slate.
Sorry. Some is good, more is better.

ddub
02-04-2013, 12:58 AM
Congratulations on the bucket list check off! However, I think the set cries out for a 2nd convert with white top. I'm sure you can find more garage space.

BobPalma
02-04-2013, 07:37 AM
Hmm, Craig, do you know something everyone else doesn't?

Bob, share with the class just HOW much the Mrs. would appreciate a house full of 1964 appliances.:lol:

ZERO :cool: ('Wouldn't want to spoil her with technology overload....however, just the other day, I was thinking about updating the kitchen's cold storage facility with one of those new-fangled refrigeration things. The ice man said he's cutting his route back before retiring next year....) :eek: BP

259man
02-04-2013, 12:05 PM
Congratulations, Bob! That is too cool!

BTW, your 4-door sedan was built on the same day as my '64 Cruiser. How about that!

Is that a '62 Lark Cruiser in the background of the picture of you two shaking hands? With the white top, it looks eerily like mine!

Lark Parker
02-04-2013, 01:01 PM
Congrats Bob your quest is ended! Can I now drop my bargain of secrecy that you are looking for that model?
Are my eyes deceiving me or does that car have two radio antennae?
I kept looking for a second car behind it to explain the extra antenna but there's none there apparently(?).

BobPalma
02-04-2013, 03:19 PM
Congratulations, Bob! That is too cool!

BTW, your 4-door sedan was built on the same day as my '64 Cruiser. How about that!

Is that a '62 Lark Cruiser in the background of the picture of you two shaking hands? With the white top, it looks eerily like mine!

Very cool on the build dates, Tom. What is the Cruiser's Serial Number? We can see how "close" they really were!

The car behind us shaking hands is a loaded 1957 President Classic 4-door, but you are right; the entire "greenhouse" is essentially the same as a 1962 Cruiser. That President Classic has factory Power Seat and Power Windows! :!: BP

BobPalma
02-04-2013, 03:22 PM
Congrats Bob your quest is ended! Can I now drop my bargain of secrecy that you are looking for that model?
Are my eyes deceiving me or does that car have two radio antennae?
I kept looking for a second car behind it to explain the extra antenna but there's none there apparently(?).

Thanks, Dale.

No deception on the antennae, either; the dumb thing does have a radio antennae on each front fender! (Do you suppose a previous owner was frustrated that he had to settle for a Wagonaire when he really wanted a 1956-1958 Golden Hawk? :eek:) BP

studegary
02-04-2013, 03:56 PM
Thanks, Dale.

No deception on the antennae, either; the dumb thing does have a radio antennae on each front fender! (Do you suppose a previous owner was frustrated that he had to settle for a Wagonaire when he really wanted a 1956-1958 Golden Hawk? :eek:) BP

I also noted what appeared to me to be an extra antenna, but didn't mention it.

The frustrated part was like the original owner of my loaded 1963 Daytona Wagonaire. He had a new 1953 Commander Starliner, followed by a new 1955 President Speedster and then he wanted to get a new 1963 Avanti. His wife said no! They had a family started then and she said that the Avanti trunk was not enough. He ordered the 1963 Daytona Wagonaire with a lot of options, including bucket seats, 289, AT, ps, pdiscb, TT, Sta-Bars, step, power rear window, pb radio, etc., etc.

qsanford
02-04-2013, 05:29 PM
What an accomplishment! I bet the chances of seeing a group like that in stock at the same Dealer together when new was pretty slim. Good going!

BobPalma
02-04-2013, 05:47 PM
What an accomplishment! I bet the chances of seeing a group like that in stock at the same Dealer together when new was pretty slim. Good going!

Absolutely, Quentin: With only 99 Astra White convertibles built (I've counted), that's only one Astra White convertible for roughly every 20 dealers all by themselves...and that assumes no dealer sold more than one white convertible of the 99. :cool: BP

8E45E
02-04-2013, 07:17 PM
Absolutely, Quentin: With only 99 Astra White convertibles built (I've counted), that's only one Astra White convertible for roughly every 20 dealers all by themselves...and that assumes no dealer sold more than one white convertible of the 99. :cool: BP


Does that figure include Hamilton production too? Or is it just South Bend production?

Craig

stude1964
02-04-2013, 08:23 PM
Bob
Great job on the wagon! Did I detect headrests? As I've posted before I love all '64's! My Dad & I had a desire to collect 1 of every body style. He's gone now but I want to keep the Avanti,T Cab, Conv.,HT,GT as well as my '64 wagon.Good luck with your latest! Rob in PA.

Corvanti
02-04-2013, 08:46 PM
Bob
Great job on the wagon! Did I detect headrests? As I've posted before I love all '64's! My Dad & I had a desire to collect 1 of every body style. He's gone now but I want to keep the Avanti,T Cab, Conv.,HT,GT as well as my '64 wagon.Good luck with your latest! Rob in PA.

i (we) would love to see pics of your collection! :!:
start a new thread, or if they have been "shown" here before, let us know... :)

BobPalma
02-05-2013, 08:19 AM
Does that figure include Hamilton production too? Or is it just South Bend production? Craig

No, Craig; just South Bend. I do not know how many white convertibles were made in Hamilton, but would like to, in the event you determine the figure. ;) BP

BobPalma
02-05-2013, 08:22 AM
Bob
Great job on the wagon! Did I detect headrests? As I've posted before I love all '64's! My Dad & I had a desire to collect 1 of every body style. He's gone now but I want to keep the Avanti,T Cab, Conv.,HT,GT as well as my '64 wagon.Good luck with your latest! Rob in PA.

Thanks, Rob. Yes, the wagon was spec'd and built with individually-adjustable reclining front seats and head rests on both sides. ('Haven't tried the recliners yet to see if they are broken, though, but at least the seat backs stay in the "up" position!) :!: BP

studegary
02-05-2013, 12:51 PM
'Have to wait until summertime; then I'll get them all out for a family photo. :) BP


Corvanti was replying to Stude1964's post about his 1964 collection of the various models.

Corvanti
02-05-2013, 01:28 PM
Corvanti was replying to Stude1964's post about his 1964 collection of the various models.

yes, it was. naturally, i want to see pics of BP's '64s, but i had read the others were hibernating in the stable until spring.:)

i thought stude1964 may have some "already taken" pics of his '64s to share with us.

62champ
02-05-2013, 05:19 PM
I got ya stude1964. These are the photos I have - Rob can fill in the details about the two missing ones...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC03470.jpg

Only one that will probably be turned loose - owned by a very nice couple in York now.

Others:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/shows/DSC03912.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/shows/DSC03824.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/shows/Das%20Awkscht%20Fest%20-%202011/DSC03605.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/shows/Das%20Awkscht%20Fest%20-%202011/DSC03591.jpg

stude1964
02-07-2013, 07:49 PM
Thanks '62 Champ!
Yes the Cruiser is sold. The wagon is Laguna Blue w/blue int.,split recliners w/ headrests,289,4bbl,OD,duals, HH,FM,A/C,PS,PB,3rd seat,PRW,Tinted glass all around.The HT is 289,4bbl,4 spd ,duals,PDB,PS,recliners,headrests,A/C,tint,FM,TT,Pure fun! The T Cab is a 259 ,4bbl,T- 85,Simmons Duals, OD,tint glass,T 6.The '81 will be for sale at York. As far as my '64 Conv. it has'nt moved in 25 years but it's black/black/black,259,OD,4bbl,duals,A/C ,FM,tinted all around. The GT is Astra white,black 1/2 roof,289,4bbl,PS,PDB,PS,tint,FM,A/C,red gut,but needs resto as does the conv. I think I have all the parts to do these but recently lost my Dad as well as my body guy. Good luck to BP w/the wagon but coming from TX he probably may only need paint not metal repairs.BTW Vic now has the dash from my Uncle's '63 Wagonaire!

sals54
02-07-2013, 08:30 PM
Bob, Congrats ! ! ! I remember when you were looking at my 64 Wagonaire as I had mistakenly called it a Daytona, when it was actually a Commander. I did end up selling my wagon. It's funny, but of all the cars I've owned over the years, I miss this one the most.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/IMG_0985.jpg

Bish
02-09-2013, 07:53 AM
Way to go BP!! I too enjoy my Wagonaire without PS or PB. It doesn't need them.
Bish