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gs-xnr
09-19-2012, 09:56 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-Studebaker-Golden-Hawk-packard-V8-California-car-/330796189344?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4d04fd46a0#ht_1022wt_948

BobPalma
09-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Silly stuff.

As much research and documentation as Frank Ambrogio has done on 1956 Golden Hawks through the years, this "reality" would have surfcaed long before now.

I'm sure it's a '56 and it does have what appears to be a nice 1956 deck lid and hood, but I believe the fins are bogus. BP

Welcome
09-19-2012, 10:09 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-Studebaker-Golden-Hawk-packard-V8-California-car-/330796189344?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4d04fd46a0#ht_1022wt_948



"Car is all original excepting the tires and wheels, Tail fins are a limited production item for 1956 that was added towards the end of the production year, only a few hundred of these were factory installed for this model year."

Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::lol:

bezhawk
09-19-2012, 10:22 AM
Yes, it has the wrong fins, and the headliner had been replaced with vinyl (not a bad thing). But look how solid it is!!!
Fins come up from time to time, and tail light housings and lenses are repoped.
I wish I had the coin!

RadioRoy
09-19-2012, 10:44 AM
Back in the 70's there was an elderly lady in San Mateo, California. She drove a "lemon-lime" 55 Speedster with a 56 hawk front clip on it. She said her husband bought the car new and when the Hawks came out, he had the dealer change the front sheet metal to the new 56 style. She knew little about cars, but apparently the question was asked of her so many times that she had the answer readily at hand. Nice looking car, too. Anyone know what happened to it?

evilhawk
09-19-2012, 12:21 PM
Well one could always request to see the build sheet to see if the fins were actually added by the factory. Beautiful car btw. First thing I would do with it is ditch the stupid looking wheels!

hausdok
09-19-2012, 12:38 PM
I used the "ask the seller" section to request that the guy add a scan of the build sheet to the photo list.

Welcome
09-19-2012, 12:43 PM
IF ...this one actually turns out to be a late California built 56J as advertised ...and is Serial # 6800601, Body # 3520 ...someone is going to own a heckuva BIG PRIZE!!!:ohmy::!::woot::D;):eek:

studegary
09-19-2012, 01:37 PM
The seller added information today, but he still does not give the Serial Number or pictures of the S/N plate or the build sheet.

Welcome
09-19-2012, 02:05 PM
The seller added information today, but he still does not give the Serial Number or pictures of the S/N plate or the build sheet.

The Seller is just teasing us, Gary!!!

IF ...it is Serial # 6800601 it could go for upwards of $30K to the right Buyer ...just the way it sits ...and would really "rock the 56J world"!!!:woot::D

StudeMann
09-19-2012, 02:39 PM
What's so special about that particular 56J serial number?

studegary
09-19-2012, 02:47 PM
What's so special about that particular 56J serial number?

Not "Welcome", but that S/N was the last 56J assembled in Vernon (LA), CA.

Welcome
09-19-2012, 03:13 PM
What's so special about that particular 56J serial number?

Well, that specific Serial number would pretty much validate what the Seller has stated about this 56J!! Instead of just making it "a late production 1956 Golden Hawk" ...that would make it THE VERY LAST ONE built in California!!! From those eBay pics. & description, it fits the Production Order of Serial # 6800601 ...exactly!!!

And even more fun with the Production Order; There was NO "DESTINATION," NO "SALES ORDER." NO "SHIP VIA" instructions on the PO, therefore no place for that 56J to go making it even more likely Studebaker retained it to do some "fin prototyping" for the '57 Golden Hawk model ..."the missing link," so to speak. That's all that could make this "1956 1/2 Golden Hawk" special!!! :D

We'll just have to wait and see though!:D

PackardV8
09-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Tail fins are a limited production item for 1956 that was added towards the end of the production year, only a few hundred of these were factory installed for this model year. . . . And finally this car is my friends car, I don’t personally know anymore about it other than what I’ve been told, . . . . Yes this 56 Golden Hawk has the bigger fins and we believe they were a Factory item added in late 56, Please do your homework people and or personally check this car out for yourself before bidding, and or call Roger for specifics. Since the owner and the friend posting the ad are completely wrong about the few hundred produced, are they also wrong about this one being OEM modified? I'm betting he is. All we need is the S/N and that isn't being provided.


even more likely Studebaker retained it to do some "fin prototyping" for the '57 Golden Hawk model

Logically, wouldn't the design and prototyping more likely to have been done in the studios in South Bend? The SoCal facility was a much smaller production-only facility. Why choose a Vernon car for that exercise?


jack vines

plwindish
09-20-2012, 11:21 AM
There looks to be a heavy amount of putty that's discolored with rust that joins the top of the fin over the trunk and more visible where the top of the fin begins behind the right rear quarter window. Were the 57 fins joined like that to the fender? If that is a late year add on, then it may be the only one, possibly a prototype unless an early owner got handy and slapped a pair of fins on.

53commander
09-20-2012, 01:51 PM
The seller answered my questions quickly and politely and provided the following.

"The Vin # is 6800023 Body # 150 Engine S-1247"

He also stated a copy of the build sheet will be added later.

mbstude
09-20-2012, 02:05 PM
Now let's put all of that speculation to rest.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/speculation_zps98d0e590.png

studegary
09-20-2012, 02:20 PM
That is the 23rd 56J assembled in Vernon (LA) CA.
I see nothing on the build sheet to indicate any build variations from normal.
I conclude: a later fin "update".

Welcome
09-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Now let's put all of that speculation to rest.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/speculation_zps98d0e590.png

There were only 6 other California 1956 Golden Hawks with a 'build date' before 6800023 ...so that could make it the 7th off the California assembly line ...a very EARLY (in lieu of very LATE) built 56J.:!:

studegary
09-20-2012, 02:25 PM
I just took notice of the tread/topic title: "56 Golden Hawk with fins?". ALL 1956 Golden Hawks had fins. It is just that they were diferent fins than this Hawk has.

studegary
09-20-2012, 02:29 PM
There were only 6 other California 1956 Golden Hawks with a 'build date' before 6800023 ...so that could make it the 7th off the California assembly line ...a very EARLY (in lieu of very LATE) built 56J.:!:

That is strange. It IS the 23rd 56J S/N for CA (CA had a different S/N range than IN). There must have been some reason that this 56J was moved ahead in production.

StudHawk60
09-20-2012, 05:39 PM
Anybody notice that the final assembly date was Dec 5, 1955?

JBOYLE
09-20-2012, 06:01 PM
Logically, wouldn't the design and prototyping more likely to have been done in the studios in South Bend? The SoCal facility was a much smaller production-only facility. Why choose a Vernon car for that exercise?
jack vines

Jack, you beat me to it. Great question.
Why modify an LA car?

Now if someone comes up with proof that they turned it over to a LA custom shop for prototyping, then it would make sense, otherwise, I don't see it.

SN-60
09-20-2012, 06:42 PM
This would be a great car to take to the local Studebaker meets......it would definitely drive everyone 'nuts'....a fun ride!

Welcome
09-20-2012, 08:14 PM
>>>Why modify an LA car? Now if someone comes up with proof that they turned it over to a LA custom shop for prototyping, then it would make sense, otherwise, I don't see it.

It's well documented in the 56J community that Studebaker’s assembly plant in California often "marched to the beat of a different drummer":woot: than South Bend main plants and engineering did. It would not be that unusual for resident engineering at an assembly plant, perhaps at the urging of someone in authority there, to do something bold & different.

And if you really think about it, the 50’s & 60’s "California Culture" affected the style of many things automotive …maybe that design of Hawk fins as well!!!:D

SN-60
10-08-2012, 06:52 PM
I noticed this '56 Golden Hawk was back on e-bay........I believe this car restored, (leaving the modifications intact) would make for a nice looking, and very interesting Hawk.

aarrggh
10-08-2012, 07:20 PM
I LIKE IT . !

Corvanti
10-08-2012, 07:52 PM
i think the Q & A on ebay basically answers if the fins were original:



Q:
Hi, Could you please add a scan of the build sheet showing all of the standard and optional equipment provided with that car when it came from the factory. Thanks
Sep-20-12


A:
Owner is going to be sending me a build sheet very soon, Listing will be updated soon. Thanks The Vin # is 6800023 Body # 150 Engine S-1247 The prior owner does or did state to the current owner that the fins were a 57 item but was dealer installed? maybe at a later date??

uh yeah, maybe at a later date... ;)