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BobPalma
06-23-2012, 09:31 PM
Thursday-Saturday, June 21-23, 2012, was The Indianapolis Road Rockets Car Club 13th Annual Road Rocket Rumble.

This is an ole' skool hot rod / rat rod show where anything and everything is liable to be seen...and was!

First, the only Studebaker-powered hot rod I saw on the premises. 'Way cool:

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Class project from the local Vocational School:

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Nice C-Cab:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF3323.jpg

and M-Series:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF3335.jpg

Station Wagons are especially popular at this event.

A West-Coast 1963 Daytona Wagonaire stocker; 259 / 4-bbl / Flightomatic, owned by John Farr of Brownsburg.

(John knows how to take us '64 fans down a notch. He told me he wanted to get a '63 Wagonaire because it was distinctive, "before they made them look like a Nova!") OUCH!

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and an unusual monotone 1957 Broadmoor in Turquoise:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF3321.jpg

And a no-credit, non-Studebaker Pop Quiz just for fun. Here are the right and left sides of a certain 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan:

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There's nothing wrong with it, so why is there only only one "Lakes Pipe?" BP

j.byrd
06-24-2012, 12:48 AM
Six banger ?

StudeDave57
06-24-2012, 01:04 AM
an unusual monotone 1957 Broadmoor in Turquoise:
http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/DSCF3321.jpg

BP

I don't suppose you were able to speak to anyone about that car?
I'd be interested to know if it came from California- Atascadero in particular.
Dad and I saw one f/s there in that same color about 15 years ago.
We also thought it odd to be in one color, and with minimal options, too.
(not even wheel covers!!!) :ohmy: :eek:

I wonder if it could be the same one...? :confused:

BobPalma
06-24-2012, 06:32 AM
Six banger ?

BINGO! :!:

You're right, John: Even though this is the most expensive "Fordor" they made in 1958, it's a SIX. BP

BobPalma
06-24-2012, 06:36 AM
I don't suppose you were able to speak to anyone about that car?
I'd be interested to know if it came from California- Atascadero in particular.
Dad and I saw one f/s there in that same color about 15 years ago.
We also thought it odd to be in one color, and with minimal options, too.
(not even wheel covers!!!) :ohmy: :eek:

I wonder if it could be the same one...? :confused:

Possible, Dave; all those cars from central Indiana rusted away decades ago. This one, as you see, has virtually no rust and has not been restored. Further, it has few options, as you say. It does have Flightomatic, but no radio. The correct blank-off plate is still above the glove box. I'd say a majority of Broadmoors would have been factory-equipped with a radio, wouldn't you?

The car was parked near one corner of the field; parking is random all over the place. The owner was not around the car when I took the photo. As I walked back to get to my car, he was in motion, leaving, and I didn't get a chance to button-hole him.

'Did note the car having a current Marion County Indiana license plate, which means he is from Indianapolis proper.

I'm sure I'll see the car again at another local show and will try to engage him. BP

stude-sled
06-24-2012, 08:58 AM
The engine in the first photo is the original from the 1957 wagon. It was for sale on the HAMB awhile back.

Johnny Sparkle
10-30-2012, 07:08 PM
The T sedan is mine, and the wagon was mine until I recently sold it to a guy near Indy. I believe the wagon did come from California originally, based on an oil change sticker that was on the door pillar. Can't remember the name of the town that was on it though.

Flashback
10-30-2012, 07:18 PM
Thanks for posting, Bob. I enjoyed these.

studegary
10-31-2012, 12:59 PM
For some reason, I only get a red X for the 1958 Ford pictures (after several tries).
There was a 1958 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan, but I do not believe that there was a "1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan" (there was a 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 4 dr. sdn.).
I owned an unusual 1958 Ford four door sedan that my father in law bought new. It was a black and white Fairlane with the Country Club option. It was a six cylinder. The car had many strange problems. I turned it in on an excellent 1961 Studebaker Lark VIII Regal (in 1964).

BobPalma
10-31-2012, 01:31 PM
For some reason, I only get a red X for the 1958 Ford pictures (after several tries).
There was a 1958 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan, but I do not believe that there was a "1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan" (there was a 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 4 dr. sdn.).
I owned an unusual 1958 Ford four door sedan that my father in law bought new. It was a black and white Fairlane with the Country Club option. It was a six cylinder. The car had many strange problems. I turned it in on an excellent 1961 Studebaker Lark VIII Regal (in 1964).

Actually, Gary, there was a 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan; Model 58B in Ford parlance. It had a rigid "B" pillar.

By contrast, Model 57A was the no B-pillar four door hardtop, which Ford called the Fairlane 500 Town Victoria.

Remember, beginning with their true 2-door hardtop in 1951, they tended to call all their "hardtops" Victorias; Club Victorias for 2-door models and Town Victorias for 4-door models.

You're right; they also had Fairlane (non-500) Town Victorias and Club Victorias. They were the ones with the side trim that looked like an enlongated Corvette "cove." They weren't nearly as popular as the 500s, though, even though they shared the same body shells. BP

studegary
10-31-2012, 03:00 PM
Actually, Gary, there was a 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan; Model 58B in Ford parlance. It had a rigid "B" pillar.

By contrast, Model 57A was the no B-pillar four door hardtop, which Ford called the Fairlane 500 Town Victoria.

Remember, beginning with their true 2-door hardtop in 1951, they tended to call all their "hardtops" Victorias; Club Victorias for 2-door models and Town Victorias for 4-door models.

You're right; they also had Fairlane (non-500) Town Victorias and Club Victorias. They were the ones with the side trim that looked like an enlongated Corvette "cove." They weren't nearly as popular as the 500s, though, even though they shared the same body shells. BP

I know that there were both Fairlane and Fairlane 500 models in four door sedan models with B-pillars. My memory was that the Fairlane was called Town Sedan and the Fairlane 500 wasn't. I just went to a reference that supports this:


Fairlane (wb 118.0)




57B Victoria hardtop sedan
3,450 $2,419 5,868
58A Town Sedan 4-door
3,427 $2,275 57,490
63B 63B Victoria hardtop coupe
3,373 $2,354
16,416
64A club sedan 2-door
3,375 $2,221 38,366

Fairlane 500 (wb 118.0)




51A Skyliner retractable convertible coupe
4,069 $3,163 14,713
57A Victoria hardtop sedan
3,488 $2,499 36,509
58B sedan 4-door
3,452 $2,428 105,698
63A Victoria hardtop coupe
3,390 $2,435 80,439
64B club sedan 2-door
3,380 $2,374 34,041
76B Sunliner convertible
3,556 $2,650 35,029

BobPalma
10-31-2012, 03:54 PM
Gary, I know we nit-pickers hate to be wrong, but your source is simply wrong this time.

Here's a link to the appropriate OEM factory brochures:

http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Ford/1958_Ford/1958%20Ford%20Fairlane%20Brochure/1958%20Ford%20Fairlane-19.html

Click on any 1958 Ford picture with the appropriate body style and you'll see that Ford consistently refers to the hardtop (no B-pillar) models in question as either Town Victorias (4-door) or Club Victorias (2-door).

Of course they are 4-door hardtops or 2-door hardtops in general industry nomenclature, but I think our discussion, here, is how their manufacturer identified them as to model name, just like a 1958 Ford Sunliner is also a 1958 Ford convertible.

Specifically, there is a two-tone bronze/beige 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan illustrated among the sedan (not hardtop) models, too. Just click on the image to enlarge and see Ford's nomenclature for the B-pillared sedan in the Fairlane 500 series.

Sorry. :) BP

studegary
11-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Gary, I know we nit-pickers hate to be wrong, but your source is simply wrong this time.

Here's a link to the appropriate OEM factory brochures:

http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Ford/1958_Ford/1958%20Ford%20Fairlane%20Brochure/1958%20Ford%20Fairlane-19.html

Click on any 1958 Ford picture with the appropriate body style and you'll see that Ford consistently refers to the hardtop (no B-pillar) models in question as either Town Victorias (4-door) or Club Victorias (2-door).

Of course they are 4-door hardtops or 2-door hardtops in general industry nomenclature, but I think our discussion, here, is how their manufacturer identified them as to model name, just like a 1958 Ford Sunliner is also a 1958 Ford convertible.

Specifically, there is a two-tone bronze/beige 1958 Ford Fairlane 500 Town Sedan illustrated among the sedan (not hardtop) models, too. Just click on the image to enlarge and see Ford's nomenclature for the B-pillared sedan in the Fairlane 500 series.

Sorry. :) BP

Bob P. - After my first post, based on memory, I went to online and printed (hard bound book) sources that agreed with me.
After this post of yours, I decided that you are probably correct. However, I did look at the brochure, that you linked to, two times (not easy on dial-up). I saw a two tone bronze/beige Fairlane Town Sedan. I did not see any Fairlane 500 Town Sedan.
I will stick to my initial position and await your retort <G>.

EDIT: Okay, you win <G>. I discovered that your link took me to the middle of the brochure. I went from there to the back end before this initial post. I went back to the brochure and downloaded the earlier pages. Now I see a Fairlane 500 Town Sedan.

8E45E
11-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Bob P. - After my first post, based on memory, I went to online and printed (hard bound book) sources that agreed with me.
After this post of yours, I decided that you are probably correct. However, I did look at the brochure, that you linked to, two times (not easy on dial-up). I saw a two tone bronze/beige Fairlane Town Sedan. I did not see any Fairlane 500 Town Sedan.
I will stick to my initial position and await your retort <G>.

I believe I posted a black Fairlane 500 here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?31530-Ever-seen-this&highlight=fairlane

Craig

studegary
11-01-2012, 02:25 PM
I believe I posted a black Fairlane 500 here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?31530-Ever-seen-this&highlight=fairlane

Craig

NO - The black car that you pictured in the other post is a Fairlane with the Country Club option package, not a Fairlane 500.

BobPalma
11-01-2012, 02:36 PM
Bob P. - After my first post, based on memory, I went to online and printed (hard bound book) sources that agreed with me.
After this post of yours, I decided that you are probably correct. However, I did look at the brochure, that you linked to, two times (not easy on dial-up). I saw a two tone bronze/beige Fairlane Town Sedan. I did not see any Fairlane 500 Town Sedan.
I will stick to my initial position and await your retort <G>.

Well, Gary; if you did not see a Fairlane 500 Town Sedan, you may have to click on the general link that displays all the 1958 Ford brochures. There is distinctly a large photo of a brown 1958 Fairlane 500 Town Sedan with cream or white roof. BP

studegary
11-01-2012, 02:53 PM
So, honest, it's OK to say, "Hey, I learned something today!" And you should have learned that the 1958 Ford line included models Ford officially identified as:

Fairlane 500 Town Sedan
Fairlane Town Sedan
Fairlane 500 Town Victoria
Fairlane Town Victoria
Fairlane 500 Club Sedan
Fairlane Club Sedan
Fairlane 500 Club Victoria
Fairlane Club Victoria.

OK? BP



Yes, I did learn this, Bob. Please go back and read my edited post, that was edited to be in agreement with you. I edited my post 17 minutes before your latest post.

BobPalma
11-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Yes, I did learn this, Bob. Please go back and read my edited post, that was edited to be in agreement with you. I edited my post 17 minutes before your latest post.

OK, I'll edit mine, too. BP

bob40
11-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Whew...glad the dust is settled on this one;)

klifton1
11-01-2012, 05:09 PM
Notice the front suspension on the blue hot rod.
Klif

8E45E
11-01-2012, 05:35 PM
NO - The black car that you pictured in the other post is a Fairlane with the Country Club option package, not a Fairlane 500.

Then the three chrome strips, and the gold anodized aluminum within the cove must have been a sort of a trim option to make an ordinary Fairlane look like a Fairlane 500. Of course, there was a 'Chrome Dress-up Kit' to make a '58 Scotsman look like a '57 Champion Deluxe at first glance.

Craig

BobPalma
11-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Then the three chrome strips, and the gold anodized aluminum within the cove must have been a sort of a trim option to make an ordinary Fairlane look like a Fairlane 500. Of course, there was a 'Chrome Dress-up Kit' to make a '58 Scotsman look like a '57 Champion Deluxe at first glance. Craig

Craig: The gold anodized within the cove still wouldn't make it look like a Fairlane 500, because the 500s had a full-length bodyside spear with an expanded area of gold anodized amidships, quite unlike a base Fairlane with the cove treatment.

Now, is there a possibility that Canadian models were different? Wasn't that back when they differed considerably from their U.S. counterparts? BP

studegary
11-02-2012, 12:38 PM
Then the three chrome strips, and the gold anodized aluminum within the cove must have been a sort of a trim option to make an ordinary Fairlane look like a Fairlane 500. Of course, there was a 'Chrome Dress-up Kit' to make a '58 Scotsman look like a '57 Champion Deluxe at first glance.

Craig

To expand on Bob P's. correct answer. The gold within the cove was part of the Country Club option package. This did not make the Fairlane look like a Fairlane 500. It just dressed up the Fairlane. My father in law bought his new in 1958 and I bought it from him in 1963. I traded it in on a 1961 Lark VIII Regal in 1964. The Country Club package was not common. I do not remember ever seeing another while we owned the car. All of this applies to USA cars. I know that Canada did different things.