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pszikszai
06-22-2012, 09:31 AM
A friend and former Studebaker employee is selling his thropy winning 61 Hawk.
Even if you are not interested in buying, it is worth looking at this beautiful car.
Paul

R_David
06-22-2012, 09:50 AM
Where is this swap page at?

DEEPNHOCK
06-22-2012, 09:54 AM
For Sale1961 Studebaker Hawk V8 289 HP Show winner original 69,000 miles

Herman Horwarth
pszikszai at aol.com (pszikszai@aol.com)

South Bend, in
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http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/Herman037.jpg (http://s653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/?action=viewĄt=Herman037.jpg)
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/Herman035.jpg (http://s653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/?action=viewĄt=Herman035.jpg)
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/Herman029.jpg (http://s653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/?action=viewĄt=Herman029.jpg)

Price is $17,500.

It is a show car with 5 first place trophies.
66, 000 original miles. Completely original and beutiful interior.
Off the frame restoration.
The owner is an ex Studebaker employee.
Reason for selling is advanced age and health problems.
The owner has no computer so please call at the listed number for further information.
Ad Number: 10596
Date Added: 2012-06-21 16:50:21

DEEPNHOCK
06-22-2012, 09:57 AM
Where is this swap page at?

http://www.studebakerswap.com/swap/swap.php

gs-xnr
06-22-2012, 11:29 AM
Just out of curiosity, did they come from the factory with the hood bulge and trunk lid painted different colors?

studegary
06-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Just out of curiosity, did they come from the factory with the hood bulge and trunk lid painted different colors?

No, they didn't. A 1961 Hawk should be monotone with the exception of the fin stripe that should be ivory.

Chris Pile
06-22-2012, 01:45 PM
Brown leather with blue paint?
No, thank you.

StudeRich
06-22-2012, 02:04 PM
Brown leather with blue paint?
No, thank you.

Not that it would change your mind, but it IS Saddle Tan, :) much prettier than Brown. :(

At least it does not actually CLASH, like the few early 1950's Cars built with Red Interiors in Green Cars! :eek:

dnevin
06-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Not that it would change your mind, but it IS Saddle Tan, :) much prettier than Brown. :(

At least it does not actually CLASH, like the few early 1950's Cars built with Red Interiors in Green Cars! :eek:

Red and Green--you don't like holiday colors? What a grinch! big ;)

Green53
06-22-2012, 02:17 PM
Says completely original but then says off the frame restoration. Cannot be original if restored. He probably meant restored to original specs.

Denny L

Studebakercenteroforegon
06-22-2012, 02:18 PM
In August of 1961, my mother bought a brand new Riviera Blue 1961 Hawk with a factory RED vinyl interior. In August, it was sale time on the remaining '61 cars, and she had her heart set on a Riviera Blue Hawk, but the only one available from that dealer's stock was the one with the red interior. And, actually, it looked much better than it sounds.

studegary
06-22-2012, 02:28 PM
Says completely original but then says off the frame restoration. Cannot be original if restored. He probably meant restored to original specs.

Denny L

It's not that either!

pszikszai
06-22-2012, 04:19 PM
The owner of that car is a good friend of mine.
He worked at the Studebaker factory helping to build cars.
He continued working at restoring studebakers untill the age of 84.
The cars he restored were all show winners and some of the people that bought them
kept on showing them and winning.
He put his personal touch on all of them, trying to personalize each one he restored.
I asked him to paint the front fenders on my coupe express because of their size I was afraid of getting
runs or other problems.
He painted the driverside front fender that I modified just two weeks ago, at his advanced age.
I painted every thing else.

I resent a few of you faulting this man's work.
Paul

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu260/pszikszai/DSC00702.jpg

55champion
06-22-2012, 07:37 PM
The car is beautiful and if I had the extra cash and a place to put it I would bring it to NC. I like the personal touch he did with the car and from the looks of his paint work in the pics this car is FIRST Class.....

Kdancy
06-23-2012, 10:50 AM
Very nice Hawk and worth the asking price. Blue isn't my favorite color for a finned Hawk as I don't think it shows up the body lines well. But I'd still love to own and drive it!

I don't think the guys are downgrading his work, just noting that it is not an "original" car and not restored to strictly show room specs. Looks like he does very nice work.

ROADRACELARK
06-23-2012, 12:02 PM
As always.....His car....His money, and obviously by his selection of the "different" color interior and the "different" paint scheme, he was not looking for it to be "authentic". I think the term "original" applies to a car that still has all of its factory assembled components, wears its factory applied paint, and its factory installed interior and accessories. Just a thought on a beautiful car. It would be very hard to duplicate for the asking price.

Dan Miller
Auburn, GA

bezhawk
06-23-2012, 12:18 PM
I think the terms authentic, and original are often used to mean the same thing, and they're not.
I take authentic, to mean made by the company, or any vendors during the time period. (such a JC Whittney accessories).
Original is what came down the assembly line, period.
That's just my take on terms.

RadioRoy
06-24-2012, 12:14 PM
Here is an example of where the chickens come home to roost, when someone refurbishes a car, and customizes it their way. That's OK because it is their car and they can do what they want. But, when they go to sell it, and somebody else doesn't like the customization, the seller has no right to complain about the fact that buyers are turned off by the customization. You cannot have it both ways. you cannot customize it to your liking, then complain when others don't like your customization. If you build it for yourself, then you like it, and you should keep it. if you build it to sell, then you are wise to build it stock so that it reaches a wider audience. At the very least, if you customize it, then don't get your feelings hurt when others question your choices.

pszikszai
06-24-2012, 01:16 PM
Once again I am the friend of the owner of the car
I posted here to inform the forum members of the sale of the car on the Studebaker swap page.

To my knowledge none of the posters here are potential buyers and their approval was not requested.
A phone number is included in the ad to talk to the owner if interested in discussing the car.

I as the poster here did not expect and did not ask for opinions of or deragotry comments on the work of
a studebaker restorer on his car which got 1st place throphies every time shown exclusively at Studebaker meets.

Especialy by members who may not lived as long as the restorer has been doing Studebakers, and some of you
who may not ever personally did a complete restoration but might have farmed it out.

I understand that the forum is for discussions.
I have asked for opinions and help of members several times in the past, hope to do it again when needed.
This was not one of those requests.
Paul

studegary
06-24-2012, 08:29 PM
Once again I am the friend of the owner of the car
I posted here to inform the forum members of the sale of the car on the Studebaker swap page.

To my knowledge none of the posters here are potential buyers and their approval was not requested.
A phone number is included in the ad to talk to the owner if interested in discussing the car.

I as the poster here did not expect and did not ask for opinions of or deragotry comments on the work of
a studebaker restorer on his car which got 1st place throphies every time shown exclusively at Studebaker meets.

Especialy by members who may not lived as long as the restorer has been doing Studebakers, and some of you
who may not ever personally did a complete restoration but might have farmed it out.

I understand that the forum is for discussions.
I have asked for opinions and help of members several times in the past, hope to do it again when needed.
This was not one of those requests.
Paul

I certainly was not being critical of his work. The work looks great. My main point, for those that may not know, is that the Hawk is neither original nor authentic in the rebuild.
Yes, I am a potential buyer of a Hawk in this condition, but not this particular car.
Yes, I have lived longer than that guy has been doing Studebakers.
Yes, I have done complete rebuild/restoration on Studebakers, both for myself and as work in a restoration shop.
What do you deem to be "deragotry (sic) comments on the work"?