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SN-60
06-09-2012, 01:56 PM
Here's another pain in the --- trivia question: Over the 100 year history of the Indy 500, how many cars bearing the 'Studebaker' factory logo qualified for AND RACED in the 500? (Stude sponsored entries)

BobPalma
06-09-2012, 02:04 PM
Here's another pain in the --- trivia question: Over the 100 year history of the Indy 500, how many cars bearing the 'Studebaker' factory logo qualified for AND RACED in the 500? (Stude sponsored entries)

Not enough! :cool: BP

CarCrosswordDan
06-09-2012, 02:16 PM
SN-60, I'd say 11. One in'31, five in '32, and five in '36. Dan

CarCrosswordDan
06-09-2012, 02:22 PM
Bob, same answer as above, however, think there were 2 other '31 entries that used Stude engines but weren't built by Stude and didn't have factory logos. Dan

SN-60
06-09-2012, 02:22 PM
I agree with Bob's 'Not Enough', and have to tell Dan that eleven is incorrect!

bezhawk
06-09-2012, 03:20 PM
Don't forget the J.C.Agajanien 52 entry, and the 60's Studebaker STP specials

SN-60
06-09-2012, 03:31 PM
To: bezhawk,--- The Agajanian entry was very interesting, but it didn't make the race, and wasn't sponsored by Studebaker.

Chris_Dresbach
06-09-2012, 05:43 PM
I'm going to guess 17 counting the '52, the Novi powered car, and all four pace cars.

bezhawk
06-09-2012, 07:46 PM
Ed, I was thinking Stude related.......I miss understood the question.

SN-60
06-09-2012, 09:25 PM
To: Chri Dresbach,----Good guess Chris, but seventeen isn't the answer. And the pace cars, not being race entries, don't count.

SN-60
06-09-2012, 09:33 PM
To: bezhawk,---- Yes, that Agajanian financed double overhead cam Studebaker V8.....well, if an engine can be 'gorgeous', that one certainly was!

s1b
06-09-2012, 09:36 PM
30?.........

SN-60
06-09-2012, 09:39 PM
s1b,----Thanks for giving it a shot, but thirty isn't the correct answer.

clonelark
06-09-2012, 11:54 PM
I say 5 entries

SN-60
06-10-2012, 01:12 AM
To: clonelark,------ Sorry, five entries is not the correct answer!

SN-60
06-10-2012, 01:54 PM
Are We all done folks?? No other of You '500 fans' wants to venture a guess on this not really difficult question?

Skinnys Garage
06-10-2012, 02:29 PM
5 entries in '32, 5 entries in '33 and 2 entries in '64. So, I'll say 12 Studebaker sponsored.

SN-60
06-10-2012, 03:03 PM
To: Skinnys Garage,---- Not bad.....Not bad, but twelve is not the correct answer.

Skinnys Garage
06-10-2012, 05:05 PM
If we're counting the Hunt-Jenkins Special, from '31 (not actually entered by Studebaker, but it did bear the logo) then I'll raise my guess to 13.

jnormanh
06-10-2012, 06:06 PM
Nobody knows the answered to "sponsored" since that might include anything from providing every penny to giving the team a few free decals.

Factory logo isn't STP or anything else except the Studebaker script or logo.

Okay, let's take your question at face value: Factory logo + qualified and raced.



1930 J.C McDonald, # 35
1931 Russ Snowberger #4, Tony Gulotta # 37, Luthger Johnsoin, #57
1932 Gliff Bergere, #22 Tony Gulotta, #25, Peter Kreiss, #18, Luther Johnson, #46, Malcolm Fox, #57, Doc MacKenzie, #42, Al Jesnen, #21,
1933 Dave Evans, #38, Tiny Gulotta, #34, Russ Snowberger, # 4, Zeke Meyer, #9, Luther Johnson, #46, Cliff Bergere, #6, L.L. Corum, #47, Malcolm Fox, #57
1934 Russ Snowberger, #10, Tony Gulotta, #8, Doc MacKenzie, # 73, George Bailey, #58
1935 Harris Insinger, #62, Jimmy Snider, #39, Frank Brisko, #41
1936 Zeke Myer, #53
1937 Louis Tomei, # 53
1938 Ira Hall, #37
1939 Ira Hall, #37

And as Bugs Bunny would say: Buddda, budda, budda.....buddua....30.....that's all folks!

SN-60
06-10-2012, 06:16 PM
To: Skinnys Garage,------ Good thoughts....but thirteen isn't the answer!

SN-60
06-10-2012, 06:21 PM
To: jnormanh,---- Well, I read Your comments and hear what Your saying. We're talking about Studebaker Corporate entries here. Do not consider side sponsorship. and buddua..buddua thirty is incorrect!!
(definition 'side' sponsorship....Champion Spark Plug, Bear ,Valvoline, Perfect Circle, Firestone, etc.)

jnormanh
06-10-2012, 07:52 PM
To: jnormanh,---- Well, I read Your comments and hear what Your saying. We're talking about Studebaker Corporate entries here. Do not consider side sponsorship. and buddua..buddua thirty is incorrect!!
(definition 'side' sponsorship....Champion Spark Plug, Bear ,Valvoline, Perfect Circle, Firestone, etc.)

Okay, Studebaker corporate entered -

1932 Zeke Myer, #37, Cliff Bergere, #22Tony Gulotta, #25, Peter Kreiss, #18, Luther Johnson, #46
1933 Tony Gullota, #34, Zeke Meyer, #8 Luther Johnson #46, Cliff Bergere #6, L.L. Corum #47

The 4WD Novis? Both Cars for '63 were entered by The Novi corp. Both '64 cars were entered by STP division, Studebaker. The '65 Novis were entered by (Unser) the STP division, Studebaker, and (Hurtubise) by Chemical Compounds Division, Studebaker.

1966, Clark and Unser entered by STP division, Studebaker
1967, RPJ, #40 STP Division, Studebaker.

The '68 Turbines were entered by the STP Corp as were Pollard and Andretti in '69 and Andretti and Follmer in '70, and others through '74.

So I guess, according to your clarified definition, the number is 17. Did I miss any?

SN-60
06-10-2012, 10:13 PM
To: jnormanh,------ You've definitely done Your homework, and like I mentioned these trivia questions can be a pain in the ---, but as to the number of cars that qualified AND RACED under the 'STUDEBAKER' corporate
banner in the 100 years of the Indy 500, the answer is not seventeen. Feel free to try again!

jnormanh
06-11-2012, 09:30 AM
Aaaaargh. Add Clark and Hill, '67. Total 19.

SN-60
06-11-2012, 03:38 PM
To: jnormanh,-------- No one can ever say You didn't try!..........but nineteen is not the correct answer.

jnormanh
06-11-2012, 03:56 PM
To: jnormanh,-------- No one can ever say You didn't try!..........but nineteen is not the correct answer.

Okay. I give up, and it looks like everyone else has too.

I'm willing to learn. So what's the correct answer? Cars/drivers if you don't mind.


And, if it matters, what was the question, exactly? - Studebaker corporate entries or Studebaker corporate banner? The first implies to me that Studebaker corp or one of it's wholly owned divisiopns or subsidiaries was the official entrant, the second implies that other entities may have been the official entrant, but Studebaker corp was the major (or sole) sponsor. Best I can do is 19 if the first definition is the criteria. If the second, it's more.

SN-60
06-11-2012, 04:10 PM
To: jnormanh,---- OK, that's loud and clear....but I want to give one more callout to anyone out there who wants to give this question a whirl. (Remember, don't overcomplicate the original question!)

SN-60
06-11-2012, 10:31 PM
Answer Tomorrow!!!!!!

stuchamp
06-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Since you asked for number of "cars" and not entries, I'll guess 6 as some "cars" raced multiple years.

SN-60
06-12-2012, 04:20 PM
To: stuchamp,---- Good guess!, and I believe Your perception of the intent of the question is 'Right On'! However, the correct answer is 8 (EIGHT) cars. Hats off to everyone that responded!!

jnormanh
06-12-2012, 04:42 PM
To: stuchamp,---- Good guess!, and I believe Your perception of the intent of the question is 'Right On'! However, the correct answer is 8 (EIGHT) cars. Hats off to everyone that responded!!

Good answer, and mucho credit to stuchamp for picking up on the "cars". BUT....as you clarified the question "Studebaker Corporate entries " and "'Studebaker' factory logo", your answer is incorrect.

For example, did you count-

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cfKz7kGVUt4/TbTS7r6eYnI/AAAAAAAAAFo/HxhYOH-Kw2c/s1600/indy67_grid_parnelli_jones.jpg

Entrant was STP Division Studebaker Corp, and the STP oval was a Studebaker owned logo.

SN-60
06-12-2012, 05:09 PM
To: jnormanh,-------Nice try jnormanh, but Your a bit off target. As You know, Studebaker had an important diversification effort going on that began in the early sixties. All their subdivisions had their own
logos of individual identity. Example....Onan, Gravely, Clarke, STP, etc., but the CORPORATE I.D. was, of course, STUDEBAKER....the parent company. In other words, show Me where it displays the word
STUDEBAKER on the outside of 'Silent Sam', and I'll agree with You. Once again, nice try, but You are still incorrect on this question! (I'll give a breakdown of the eight cars if You need this)

jnormanh
06-12-2012, 06:24 PM
"/I think you're straining at gnats. Which of these logos are "Studebaker factory logos? (Your words, not mine)

http://spydersden.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/studebaker_logo.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG9edfYOnQI10mWoDlHiZFyfun4gIlafdJeV3ruqC30WLlaEpu

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbfou8ZkI_Wp1MDlSwYOryfY3aNAmLxWfJhEA5WUPxK_QIIHFlsMoCUUnDiQ]

http://www.retroadart.com/IndexPages/Images/LOGOS/AUTOS/Stude434.gif

http://www.monon.monon.org/sobendpixs/f_tire5.gif

http://static.artfire.com/admin/product_images/thumbs/--90000--77099_product_541368793_thumb_large.jpg

http://www.thef1store.com/contents/media/Lapel211.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXIZhUhO1nPobqfoI2aQJRq8SVTVkeWUoQK7O2yAdHjVhbflt6

SN-60
06-12-2012, 08:05 PM
To: jnormanh,----- Maybe if You look at pictures of the cars it will help You to understand. (A picture says a thousand words) Let Me know if You need a list!

JRoberts
06-13-2012, 08:32 AM
Wow! What a great question. I also applaud the many answers that involved a lot of research and knowledge. I appreciate these trivia questions, Ed. Thanks. I would like a list of the cars in the correct answer. Thanks again.

(S)
06-13-2012, 03:11 PM
15798

STP = Studebaker Corp.


The back of this photo says everything written:

"Parnelli at speed-- Turbocar rushes down the main straight at Indianapolis at close to 200 mph as Parnelli Jones prepares to slow for the first corner. Movie camera is mounted during practice runs to check instument panel readings."

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From:
Studebaker Relations
Studebaker Corporation
South bend, Ind. 1967




This photo was given to me by the Granatelli family, later I met Parnelli Jones and he signed it.

SN-60
06-13-2012, 03:27 PM
To: (S) Wow, that's really a nice piece of memorabilia! Once again though, the 'Studebaker' Corporate Script was not displayed on the outside of 'Silent Sam'. Check out the list I put up for JRoberts, these eight cars are the
ones that satisfy the original question. Thanks!

SN-60
06-13-2012, 04:23 PM
To: JRoberts,----- Thank You for the kind words. Sometimes trivia questions end up in a bit of a debate, but to Me it's all good, as We're all basically quite interested in these things. (Or We wouldn't be looking at this Forum!)

OK, the eight cars...... The five car factory team of 1932, with the familiar 'Wheel' Corp. logo on the side containing the name 'STUDEBAKER'. (As stuchamp mentioned, these same five cars returned for the 1933 race--
with four of them being rebodied). Fast forward to 1964 the ONLY OTHER YEAR the Corp. logo 'STUDEBAKER', complete with the familiar 'Lazy S', was displayed on their entries, (three), making eight cars in total for
all years.

SN-60
06-14-2012, 08:25 PM
SN-60 goofed folks!! Change eight cars that 'fill the bill' to NINE! Just looked over an old Midwest Zone Meet issue from 1973. In it there's a picture of one more Studebaker factory race car that meets this questions criteria.
In 1924, Studebaker Corp. qualified one car and it did very well..it finished second! It was Earl Cooper's car #8 the 'STUDEBAKER SPL.' It bore the familiar Stude Wheel on it's side, with 'STUDEBAKER' in script. The odd thing
about this car, and maybe a reason it 'slipped through the cracks', is that it was not powered by a Studebaker engine. It ran a 122 CI non-supercharged Miller engine. Once again though, it apparently was an official Studebaker
Corp. entry. Sorry about this error! The answer is NINE cars.