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Gary1953
07-01-2007, 09:34 PM
A couple of years ago my brother found a resin model kit of a 1937 Studebaker listed on the internet. The kit was made in Romania and the picture on the box had the car painted OD green and was being labeled "Staff Car".
I thought the subject was a little unusual since I had never seen a picture of any Studebaker cars painted OD and being used as staff cars in any books, movies or magazines. Seen lots of other brands done up as staff cars. Has anyone else got a picture of a Studebaker car in use by one of the services during WW 2?
Last week one of the Toy Studebaker Collector Club members sent me the picture below. This is probably the source for the Romanian company using a Studebaker for the kit.
Thought I'd share it with everyone.


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

lstude
07-01-2007, 10:09 PM
Thanks Gary. Interesting photo. Is that Rommel? :D

Leonard Shepherd
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lstude
07-01-2007, 10:09 PM
Thanks Gary. Interesting photo. Is that Rommel? :D

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

Gary1953
07-01-2007, 10:10 PM
I don't believe so.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Gary1953
07-01-2007, 10:10 PM
I don't believe so.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

go-studebaker
07-04-2007, 07:33 AM
Hi Gary,
you must remember that Studebakers and all American cars were held in high regard in Europe as they were generally bullet proof engineering and so reliable compared to the delicate cars Europe produced.

I do know of a 1933 President skway convert sedan that was used as an SS staff car.

My 1933 St Regis was hidden in a bricked up garage in Holland during the war so the Germans would not confiscate it and turn it into a Heinkel or a panzer.

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
07-04-2007, 07:33 AM
Hi Gary,
you must remember that Studebakers and all American cars were held in high regard in Europe as they were generally bullet proof engineering and so reliable compared to the delicate cars Europe produced.

I do know of a 1933 President skway convert sedan that was used as an SS staff car.

My 1933 St Regis was hidden in a bricked up garage in Holland during the war so the Germans would not confiscate it and turn it into a Heinkel or a panzer.

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

JRoberts
07-04-2007, 07:59 AM
This is indeed a very interesting picture. It would be nice to know when it was taken.
Joe Roberts

JRoberts
07-04-2007, 07:59 AM
This is indeed a very interesting picture. It would be nice to know when it was taken.
Joe Roberts

go-studebaker
07-05-2007, 07:41 AM
Hi,
I had a closer look at that picture last night.

I would think this is the earlier part of the war 1940-42 as the car is properly decked out in wartime standard features. The car has Dietren type fender lights which sugests it was a Belgium delivered car, that could easily have been sold new in Holland Belgium, France or Luxembourg and confiscated by the Germans. Since it is pretty flat in the picture I think it may be Northern France / Belgium.



Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
07-05-2007, 07:41 AM
Hi,
I had a closer look at that picture last night.

I would think this is the earlier part of the war 1940-42 as the car is properly decked out in wartime standard features. The car has Dietren type fender lights which sugests it was a Belgium delivered car, that could easily have been sold new in Holland Belgium, France or Luxembourg and confiscated by the Germans. Since it is pretty flat in the picture I think it may be Northern France / Belgium.



Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

DEEPNHOCK
07-05-2007, 03:08 PM
When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg

DEEPNHOCK
07-05-2007, 03:08 PM
When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg

61hawk
07-05-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg


I wonder if it's really "WH" chalked on the fender... could be "WK". Col. Wilhelm Klink of Stalag 13.

Lee

61hawk
07-05-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg


I wonder if it's really "WH" chalked on the fender... could be "WK". Col. Wilhelm Klink of Stalag 13.

Lee

Gary1953
07-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Greg,
In my original post I thought the choice of the 1937 Studebaker was an unusual subject for a model of a staff car, not that the Germans or anyone else would chose a Studebaker to use as a staff car. I agree when given a choice between a Studebaker and most European cars I would think the Studebaker would be a no brainer. Like I said above I do not remember ever seeing a picture of a Studebaker painted OD and in a WW 2 setting. Anyone have one?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Gary1953
07-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Greg,
In my original post I thought the choice of the 1937 Studebaker was an unusual subject for a model of a staff car, not that the Germans or anyone else would chose a Studebaker to use as a staff car. I agree when given a choice between a Studebaker and most European cars I would think the Studebaker would be a no brainer. Like I said above I do not remember ever seeing a picture of a Studebaker painted OD and in a WW 2 setting. Anyone have one?

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

lstude
07-06-2007, 08:18 PM
I don't think I have ever seen a Studebaker in a military setting painted OD.

I do have some pictures of European cars that were used by the Germans.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/SoldierbyTatra.jpg

This is a Czechoslovakian Tatra. It had a rear mounted 8 cyl. engine. It has been written that Hitler ordered his troops not to drive these because they were fast and had an independent rear suspension that caused them to turn over if you didn't know how to handle them (like the Corvair)


http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/DestroyedcarsatVerdunFranceWWII.jpg

This is what is left of a French Peugeot. It looked similar to the Chrysler Airflow.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Germanofficerscar.jpg

This is a German Officer's car

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/NAZIcarsm.jpg

This must be a high ranking NAZI Officer's car.

Leonard Shepherd
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lstude
07-06-2007, 08:18 PM
I don't think I have ever seen a Studebaker in a military setting painted OD.

I do have some pictures of European cars that were used by the Germans.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/SoldierbyTatra.jpg

This is a Czechoslovakian Tatra. It had a rear mounted 8 cyl. engine. It has been written that Hitler ordered his troops not to drive these because they were fast and had an independent rear suspension that caused them to turn over if you didn't know how to handle them (like the Corvair)


http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/DestroyedcarsatVerdunFranceWWII.jpg

This is what is left of a French Peugeot. It looked similar to the Chrysler Airflow.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Germanofficerscar.jpg

This is a German Officer's car

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/NAZIcarsm.jpg

This must be a high ranking NAZI Officer's car.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

go-studebaker
07-09-2007, 07:42 AM
Hi Guys,
there are probably plenty of pictures around of odd ball cars in military drag, but they are in German personal photo albums.

Even in the UK many cars were borrowed for wartime use. The US cars even in the UK were highly regarded for this. The difference is that the English gave the cars back to their owners. The Germans took it all.

The Ducth hated the germans because they took all their bikes too.... Oh, and they invaded them as well, but the Dutch flooded half of their lands to make things a little harder for the Hun.
They were desperate times over in this part of the world.
Americans and Australians got it easy by comparison to the devistation that happened in Europe.

Lets hope our fathers have paid the price enough so we dont have to go through that again.





Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
07-09-2007, 07:42 AM
Hi Guys,
there are probably plenty of pictures around of odd ball cars in military drag, but they are in German personal photo albums.

Even in the UK many cars were borrowed for wartime use. The US cars even in the UK were highly regarded for this. The difference is that the English gave the cars back to their owners. The Germans took it all.

The Ducth hated the germans because they took all their bikes too.... Oh, and they invaded them as well, but the Dutch flooded half of their lands to make things a little harder for the Hun.
They were desperate times over in this part of the world.
Americans and Australians got it easy by comparison to the devistation that happened in Europe.

Lets hope our fathers have paid the price enough so we dont have to go through that again.





Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

bondobilly
07-09-2007, 12:12 PM
quote:[

Lets hope our fathers have paid the price enough so we dont have to go through that again.


We will be visiting Churchill's War Room this coming Thursday and then on Saturday off to Duxford. Are there any Weasels or 6x6's there?

If I remember correctly the Shrock Brothers have a Packard Staff car.

BG

bondobilly
07-09-2007, 12:12 PM
quote:[

Lets hope our fathers have paid the price enough so we dont have to go through that again.


We will be visiting Churchill's War Room this coming Thursday and then on Saturday off to Duxford. Are there any Weasels or 6x6's there?

If I remember correctly the Shrock Brothers have a Packard Staff car.

BG

bondobilly
07-09-2007, 12:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

I don't think I have ever seen a Studebaker in a military setting painted OD.


On my first trip to Moscow in '76 there was a convoy of Studebaker 6x6's on the "highway" between the airport and the city. All were carrying potatos and women workers. It was very surreal. Back then it was the only place where you would shoot with color film and come back with B&W photos.

BG

bondobilly
07-09-2007, 12:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

I don't think I have ever seen a Studebaker in a military setting painted OD.


On my first trip to Moscow in '76 there was a convoy of Studebaker 6x6's on the "highway" between the airport and the city. All were carrying potatos and women workers. It was very surreal. Back then it was the only place where you would shoot with color film and come back with B&W photos.

BG

Laemmle
07-09-2007, 12:24 PM
Forget about PC, it is and will destroy this country....enough is enough......



quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg

Laemmle
07-09-2007, 12:24 PM
Forget about PC, it is and will destroy this country....enough is enough......



quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

When I showed this pic to the wife, her immediate reaction was 'I wonder who they took this car away from..'
(note: Edited reply for the PC crowd here)....
You know... She's right.
I wonder who did own the car (and what might have happened to them)[V]..
More untold Studebaker history to contemplate...
Jeff[8D]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/1937Germanstaffcar-1.jpg

Jeff_H
07-09-2007, 12:46 PM
quote:This is a Czechoslovakian Tatra. It had a rear mounted 8 cyl. engine. It has been written that Hitler ordered his troops not to drive these because they were fast and had an independent rear suspension that caused them to turn over if you didn't know how to handle them (like the Corvair)


There was one of these in the WWII Victory Museum tour I went on during the SB meet. The lighting in there was pretty dim so it was hard to get a good look at it.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
07-09-2007, 12:46 PM
quote:This is a Czechoslovakian Tatra. It had a rear mounted 8 cyl. engine. It has been written that Hitler ordered his troops not to drive these because they were fast and had an independent rear suspension that caused them to turn over if you didn't know how to handle them (like the Corvair)


There was one of these in the WWII Victory Museum tour I went on during the SB meet. The lighting in there was pretty dim so it was hard to get a good look at it.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Transtar60
07-09-2007, 06:29 PM
The "WH" is the German abreviation for "Wehrmacht" used on vehicle license plates.
Today(or last time I was there) the abreviation is "BW" for Bundeswehr.

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

Transtar60
07-09-2007, 06:29 PM
The "WH" is the German abreviation for "Wehrmacht" used on vehicle license plates.
Today(or last time I was there) the abreviation is "BW" for Bundeswehr.

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

go-studebaker
07-10-2007, 07:37 AM
BG,
I have never seen weasels or 6x6's here, but then again I have never looked. They are probably here.

I think most Stude 6x6's went to the Pacific circuit and to Russia.

You may find more Weasels in Holland

There was a Packard sold recently here in the UK that was attached to Bletchly during the war, so that Enigma was solved.

If you are near by give us a call on 01926 733 484 or 0774 803 6035

On Sunday there is a huge American car show Rally of the Giant at Knebworth just outside of North London by 40 miles or so.

We will have 3 Studebakers in attendance amoungst the others that will lob for the day. The Shielas will be in my Lark, a work colleauge will take my 61 Hawk and I will drive my 39 Commander sedan just to prop the numbers up with.

Weather here has been shocking so bring a brolly. It has rained almost every day since Easter and we are sick of the grey at the moment.

Safe travels

Greg





Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
07-10-2007, 07:37 AM
BG,
I have never seen weasels or 6x6's here, but then again I have never looked. They are probably here.

I think most Stude 6x6's went to the Pacific circuit and to Russia.

You may find more Weasels in Holland

There was a Packard sold recently here in the UK that was attached to Bletchly during the war, so that Enigma was solved.

If you are near by give us a call on 01926 733 484 or 0774 803 6035

On Sunday there is a huge American car show Rally of the Giant at Knebworth just outside of North London by 40 miles or so.

We will have 3 Studebakers in attendance amoungst the others that will lob for the day. The Shielas will be in my Lark, a work colleauge will take my 61 Hawk and I will drive my 39 Commander sedan just to prop the numbers up with.

Weather here has been shocking so bring a brolly. It has rained almost every day since Easter and we are sick of the grey at the moment.

Safe travels

Greg





Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

bondobilly
07-10-2007, 02:31 PM
quote:[

If you are near by give us a call on 01926 733 484 or 0774 803 6035

On Sunday there is a huge American car show Rally of the Giant at Knebworth just outside of North London by 40 miles or so.


Is there rail service out there? I will "googleearth" it. Depending on weither/weather we might "pop" out. Weither we are too tired, or weather it is raining.

Might be fun, I know it will be fun, who am I kidding. I just printed out your numbers and as we see where things are............

Be in in touch and thanks

BG

bondobilly
07-10-2007, 02:31 PM
quote:[

If you are near by give us a call on 01926 733 484 or 0774 803 6035

On Sunday there is a huge American car show Rally of the Giant at Knebworth just outside of North London by 40 miles or so.


Is there rail service out there? I will "googleearth" it. Depending on weither/weather we might "pop" out. Weither we are too tired, or weather it is raining.

Might be fun, I know it will be fun, who am I kidding. I just printed out your numbers and as we see where things are............

Be in in touch and thanks

BG

Ricardo
05-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Yes,Billy. There are frequent train services from St Pancrass station
The trip takes less than half hour . Trains do not stop at Knebworth on Sundays, Stevenage is the next stop and a big place. It is about 4 miles, or 6 Km from Knebworth Park and taxis are available.

For reference , see my article on october 2006 TW

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bondobilly
05-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Thanks

We are thinking of return trip. Air Fares have fallen due to fare war between BA and VA, but I don't think Ellen can get off. Greg, if we do showup this year we will take you up on the car show.

STEWDI
05-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Greg - do you remember our daughter, Erin? She will be in London on Sunday, but just to catch another plane. She just got engaged under the Eiffel Tower this past Saturday! She's ALWAYS wanted to go to Europe, and it's a cinch she'll never forget this trip.

Roger "153624" Hill

55 Champion
47 M-5
Izzer Buggy
Junior Wagon

bondobilly
05-09-2008, 09:46 PM
You cannot top that. Have you met the guy? :D

STEWDI
05-09-2008, 10:00 PM
He's a great guy - AND he wants to go to the next South Bend meet as he is a Notre Dame fan and wants to learn more about Studes.
Hmmmmm. New SDC member in the future?

Roger "153624" Hill

55 Champion
47 M-5
Izzer Buggy
Junior Wagon

bondobilly
05-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Why can't things like that happen to Robin?

Not that I AM READY TO PAY FOR A WEDDING.[B)]

STEWDI
05-09-2008, 10:28 PM
Cr*p!! You're right!

For Sale : 1955 Champion AND(if the wedding includes free booze) 1947 M5 Coupe Express.:(

Roger "153624" Hill

55 Champion
47 M-5
Izzer Buggy
Junior Wagon

4961Studebaker
05-10-2008, 09:32 AM
I can't tell the collar insignia, That would tell the type/division he commands, the shoulders would signify rank, Deffinitly a officer, no brainer

Looking at the hat, I'm going to say a field officer/commander (similar to a LT colnel) possibly a panzer division

Can anyone make out these, super imposed without too much distortion?

Chop Stu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/resizeChopStu-1.jpg

Bob Bryant
05-10-2008, 10:57 AM
The Tampa Bay Automobile Museum has Tatra (mentioned previously) and Tracta autos on display on their website. I was not aware of the Tracta until I visited the museum. Alain Cerf owns it and the adjacent factory. The website is nicely done and the museum displays a variety of very interesting cars.

Naples, FL
1963 Avanti R2524

JRoberts
05-12-2008, 07:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by STEWDI

He's a great guy - AND he wants to go to the next South Bend meet as he is a Notre Dame fan and wants to learn more about Studes.
Hmmmmm. New SDC member in the future?

Roger "153624" Hill

55 Champion
47 M-5
Izzer Buggy
Junior Wagon

There you go the perfect wedding gift -- SDC membership and a Studebaker to go along with it. ;)

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

Guido
05-12-2008, 07:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by STEWDI
For Sale : 1955 Champion AND(if the wedding includes free booze) 1947 M5 Coupe Express.:( Keep the car and truck and sell me the buggy and goat wagon. :D The wedding will just need to be limited to family. ;)

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