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Dick Steinkamp
01-21-2012, 01:20 PM
I haven't owned a Studebaker for a couple of years now. Ever since I sold my Avanti...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/1963%20Avanti/sunny026.jpg

I think part of it was that I needed a break from something I was doing too much of (I have a short attention span ;)). Some of it was I was soured on the forum because of the political posts...which seem to now be gratefully in short supply...thank you moderators, but a much bigger thanks to the members here for showing that courtesy to our fellow members. It is refreshing to come here and not have to wade through politics to find the Studebakering.

Even my car projects slowed down somewhat. Like JDP, I came out of retirement and back into the REAL business world. I am doing some consulting (operations, logistics, supply chain management) and find I really enjoy it. I have managed a few over the last couple of years, however.

This 35,000 mile '62 Corvair...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/1962%20Corvair%20Exterior/done060.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/1962%20Corvair%20Interior/IMG_8360.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/1962%20Corvair%20Engine/paint040.jpg

This '71 MGB Roadster...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/MG%20Harbor/done042.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/MG%20Harbor/done018.jpg

This '69 GT...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/MGB%20GT%20Slideshow%20II/IMG_8832.jpg

Even a 1965 Raysoncraft V-drive drag boat...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Raysoncraft%20SS/lake024.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Raysoncraft%20SS/trailer015.jpg


When Pat's Wagonaire came along, I just couldn't resist.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6703755137_e5f5d7f7cf_z.jpg

Gonna put some stuff on eBay (http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?58263-Gonna-put-some-stuff-on-eBay)

It reminds me so much of the '63 Daytona Hardtop project that I got from Roscomacaw. I dragged that one home exactly this time 3 years ago...snowing hard over the Siskiyous and into central Oregon...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics123-1.jpg

I'm having Pat's transported for the above reason. :(

I had already purchased the Kart Hauler the month before, and started on BOTH of them at the same time. (It helps my short attention span to have two projects going at once). I got about this far with the Daytona...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics024.jpg

...when the Kart Hauler was invited to the GNRS and I determined I need to focus on it in order to finish it in time for the show.

I did finish the Daytona soon after the GNRS, however, and I was very happy with how it turned out. Bob had done an excellent job with the body and paint and with collecting parts for the car...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Daytona%20eBay/PP047.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Daytona%20eBay/done038.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Daytona%20eBay/ebay019.jpg

(I think it goes without saying that Bob didn't collect the Chevy engine and transmission ;))

Anyway, I'm itchin' to start on Pat's Wagonaire. It should be delivered here in a couple of weeks. I think the Wagonaire was one of Studebaker's milestone cars. Even though they didn't sell in big numbers, the sliding roof was quite the unique feature that surfaced years later in a GM SUV and the basic shape was duplicated in the 28 year run of the Jeep Wagoneer (1963-1991).

I'll chronicle the restoration of the car here on the forum. I would hope that others do the same with their Studes...like "the old days" here. It is interesting for me to see members' cars come together and I would think it would be for others also.

Thanks again, Pat, for the screamin' deal. I hope I can do your car justice.

Milaca
01-21-2012, 01:28 PM
Good luck Dick, I look forward to seeing the Wagonaire come together. :)

63t-cab
01-21-2012, 01:38 PM
So Dick,you now have the wagon.as I said in that post,it's gonna make someone "you" a super nice Studebaker when done.would be nice to see pics of body inside and out.

Skinnys Garage
01-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Glad to see you back with a Stude project Dick.:cool: I could read project threads all day, so I can't wait! They keep me motivated enough to try and get something done on my old beaters. Maybe if I got down to one, more would get done........:rolleyes:

kmac530
01-21-2012, 02:31 PM
Nice project. Some very cool non Stude cars as well. Can't wait to see the build.

gordr
01-21-2012, 02:34 PM
Welcome back to the dark side, Dick!

jclary
01-21-2012, 02:45 PM
If you present future progress reports as well as you set it up with this thread (and I have no doubt you will)...we will be eagerly awaiting your next installment. Following your exploits with the Kart Hauler was the best ever! Keep it up!

sweetolbob
01-21-2012, 02:52 PM
Welcome back Dick

I'm glad to see your back building Studes because your cars always look great when they're done. You have a knack for picking great projects.

I should try to take a lesson from you on how to pick them initially.

Bob

george o
01-21-2012, 03:09 PM
MAN O MAN - I want a ride in the boat!!!!

take care

george o

Dick Steinkamp
01-21-2012, 03:37 PM
I should try to take a lesson from you on how to pick them initially.

Bob

No lesson needed. You picked three darned nice ones! :cool:

Dick Steinkamp
01-21-2012, 03:44 PM
MAN O MAN - I want a ride in the boat!!!!

take care

george o

A hot rod on the water for sure. It was only a 326 Pontiac, but I could never stay in it all the way to redline. With no windshield and being a foot off the water (coupled with the fact that I am a big chicken), 50 MPH seemed like 100+.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvv0kvjUo4&feature=g-upl&context=G2c6aff5AUAAAAAAAXAA

bezhawk
01-21-2012, 03:44 PM
Awesome!
I'm working on a 67 Buick Skylark Convertible, But have several clients Studes lined up for future work.

ddub
01-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Really looking forward to one of your builds again. Thanks for letting us watch.

Studedude
01-21-2012, 09:48 PM
Happy days are here again!

allstateguy
01-21-2012, 09:58 PM
Yay Dick!
As you know, I think your build threads are the best thing about this forum. You make the rest of us try just a bit harder to get things done, and get them done right!
I really look forward to this one, because I've been a longroof guy for many years (none of them Studes yet, tho)

dean pearson
01-21-2012, 10:06 PM
Welcome back Mr. Steinkamp.
I'm definitely a fan!

Dean.

Dick Steinkamp
01-21-2012, 10:46 PM
Happy days are here again!

Or not. ;)

StudeRich
01-21-2012, 10:57 PM
Glad to hear you got a Stude. Dick. That Boat Video is pretty Cool! Isn't it amazing how people driving Boats feel YOUNGER, and even start to LOOK younger! Simply amazing! ;)

snowy_buffalo
01-22-2012, 10:15 AM
Congrats on the new acquizition(sp?). I followed your builds on the GT Hawk, the Kart Hauler, and Roscowmacaw's lark with great interest, Sometimes preople like me just like to live vicariously thru the exploits of others when they can't do the same themselves. Can't wait to follow this one !!!

junior
01-22-2012, 11:51 AM
Dick, if memory serves, didn't you purchase a late 40's/early 50's mopar (large) wagon to work on? What happened to that? Just wondering. FWIW, even though the Kart Hauler's engine and compartment was outstanding, your K's engine/compartment is hands-down the BEST Stude engine compartment I have seen yet...please try to out-do yourself with your new Stude project, and enjoy the build. Regards, Junior

SN-60
01-22-2012, 11:52 AM
The sound of a V-8 speedboat with the exhaust at water level is like nothing else ----way cool!!

Dick Steinkamp
01-22-2012, 12:45 PM
Junior,
I did have a '50 Plymouth wagon...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/IMG_5289.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/IMG_5290.jpg

I bought it from the family of the original owner. I had the original pink slip for it. I had too much going on at the time and not enough space and I sold it to Allen Barth (oltrknut here). I think he has since moved it on to its next owner. I'm sure there have been some other cars over the last 2 years.

Thanks for the compliment on my Starliner engine...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/S2D%209-18-04/116_1634.jpg

I liked the simplicity of it. The car was built as a 60's hot rod and I wanted the engine compartment to keep the theme by looking like a 365 HP 327 was pulled out of a 65 Corvette and just dropped in. That's why I painted it orange, etc.

I'm afraid I'd have to pick the Kart Hauler engine compartment as my favorite, however. I love the back draft WW's mounted sideways on the StuV manifold. The gold really popped with the Chippewa Green paint.

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/Ute%20Photo%20Shoot/pics007-1.jpg

52-fan
01-22-2012, 02:58 PM
I am not a big fan of the later boxy Studebaker wagons, but if you do it as nice as the other cars, I may change my attitude.
BTW The engine in the 53 is my idea of perfect style. It looks like the hot rod engine I would have wanted back when I first joined the SDC.

BobPalma
01-22-2012, 06:38 PM
Hey, Dick; where's the 1956 Packard Patrician in the original montage (i.e., the opening post)? IIRC, it got a few updates and a good cleaning and massage before being sent on its way.

And not to be picky, but to vent a pet peeve: Those are not back-draft carburetors on the 'Kart Hauler (or on any other 2-barrel 1953-1958 Studebaker V8, for that matter.) They are still down-draft carburetors; they just have 90-degree air horns on them. (Sorry; that oft-repeated "back draft" description is kind of like my battery hold-down fetish <GGG>)

Hope to see the '56 Patrician added in its "cleaned-up" state before being marketed, and 'looking forward to the 'wagon progress. BP

Dick Steinkamp
01-22-2012, 07:17 PM
Here's the Pack...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/56%20Pack%20eBay/ebay031.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/56%20Pack%20eBay/ebay009.jpg

...very much like going down the road in your living room. :cool:

As far as "back draft" goes...just slang I guess. Somewhat like calling a 2 door sedan a 2 door "post".

Kurt
01-22-2012, 07:32 PM
Welcome back! Can't wait to see what you do with the wagon

BobPalma
01-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Here's the Pack...

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/56%20Pack%20eBay/ebay031.jpg

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/56%20Pack%20eBay/ebay009.jpg

...very much like going down the road in your living room. :cool:

As far as "back draft" goes...just slang I guess. Somewhat like calling a 2 door sedan a 2 door "post".

Oh, no; "post."

Someone has hacked into my entire inventory of automotive pet peeves. I'd rank them in this order:

1. "Post" for a car with 2 doors and a B-pillar

2. Missing battery hold-down, espcially on a nice car

3. "Back-draft" to describe a down-draft carburetor fitted with a 90-degree air horn.

Is there no privacy anymore? <GGG>

(Thanks for the Patrician pictures, Dick....I'll sleep sounder tonight with happy dreams!) BP

paintim613
01-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Just amazing how much Dick brings to the forum. Hallaleuah!

kamzack
01-22-2012, 11:22 PM
Mr. Steinkamp,
I watched the video and I'm convinced it shifts at least once. It sounds as if there is a change in RPM's. Way too much fun. I inquired about the Wagonaire myself and dreamed of it. I mentioned it to another Stude guy, and he said the paint is top notch and just about no bodyowrk. I'm glad you've bought it, I know you'll share it with us and I too can't wait to watch the progress once ya get started. I'm glad I started the "Missing Members" thread as we get to see perfection automotive at it's best.
Kim

JGK 940
01-22-2012, 11:33 PM
Okay, where's my Thumbs Up "Like" button?

jallen
01-23-2012, 01:02 AM
Dick, Good to see you back on the forum with a new project. I'm thinkin' we'll all be able to learn something from watching your build.

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 09:26 AM
Mr. Steinkamp,
I watched the video and I'm convinced it shifts at least once. It sounds as if there is a change in RPM's.


No shifts. In fact, the V-drive is direct. No neutral, no reverse. When you turn the key, you are spinning the prop.

Unlike a car, boat engines are always under load when you are underway. Lots of drag from that hull in the water. When you back out of the throttle a little they don't "coast" like a car...they are still pulling, just at a lower RPM. That's what makes the "shift" noises in the video. I get out of the throttle a little and it sounds just like a car with an automatic that has shifted to a higher gear.

Roscomacaw
01-23-2012, 10:11 AM
I'm glad you're "back" too. Just yesterday, I was coming home from someplace and I passed the spot where I'd shot a bunch of fotos of that green, 4-spd GT you and I collaborated on selling thru ebay. I wonder what that car looks like now.

As to the 63 Daytona you rescued from me - I'm sure glad you did. I love seeing the photos of it and the fact that you created exactly - the vision I had of it all along (well, save for under trhe hood - but you get a pass on that!).

Now get the PO on that wagon (if Pat already hasn't) and let's see if it can be discerned what that double X body tag might indicate.

pdrnec
01-23-2012, 10:20 AM
Here it is:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/lysdexic1/PO.jpg

Maybe because it was a lease vehicle?

jclary
01-23-2012, 10:38 AM
OK Dick, I finally got around to watching the video of the boat. I guess I have been on the forum long enough for everybody to already know how ignorant I am and I have some questions to amplify that fact.

Is that engine oriented so that the front of the engine is facing the stern? Also, how is it coupled to the propeller shaft? What kind of bearings and seals are involved to keep the water out?

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 10:38 AM
I'll bet a high percentage of the '63 Daytona Wagonaires were equipped just like this one (well, except for the bumper wings).

Fairly early production (October of '62)

Delivered new in Michigan, but must not have stayed there too long considering how rust free it is...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6703764679_6efbe33931_z.jpg

It is scheduled to be picked up tomorrow (Tuesday) at Pat's in LA. Should be up here by the end of the week.

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 10:56 AM
Is that engine oriented so that the front of the engine is facing the stern? Also, how is it coupled to the propeller shaft? What kind of bearings and seals are involved to keep the water out?
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Yes...the front of the engine faces the stern. It has a flywheel/flexplate on the end of the crank just like a car. There is a drive shaft (just like a car drive shaft) attached to the center of the flywheel that runs forward to the V-drive (U joints at both ends of the drive shaft). The V-drive is located approximately at the rear of the front seat. The output of the V-drive is the propeller shaft. It runs at an angle back under the drive shaft and through the hull of the boat about half way between the V-drive and the back of the engine. That fitting is a standard marine "log" fitting with packing to prevent water from entering. They were (are) never perfectly sealed and weep a little.

candbstudebakers
01-23-2012, 11:31 AM
Here it is:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/lysdexic1/PO.jpg

Maybe because it was a lease vehicle?

Pat did you by any chance get the production orders for the63GT and the 53 coupe??

jclary
01-23-2012, 11:50 AM
Yes...the front of the engine faces the stern. It has a flywheel/flexplate on the end of the crank just like a car. There is a drive shaft (just like a car drive shaft) attached to the center of the flywheel that runs forward to the V-drive (U joints at both ends of the drive shaft). The V-drive is located approximately at the rear of the front seat. The output of the V-drive is the propeller shaft. It runs at an angle back under the drive shaft and through the hull of the boat about half way between the V-drive and the back of the engine. That fitting is a standard marine "log" fitting with packing to prevent water from entering. They were (are) never perfectly sealed and weep a little.

Thanks for the lesson. This fulfills my "you learn something new everyday" requirement. :)

studegary
01-23-2012, 01:10 PM
Hey, Dick
And not to be picky, but to vent a pet peeve: Those are not back-draft carburetors on the 'Kart Hauler (or on any other 2-barrel 1953-1958 Studebaker V8, for that matter.) They are still down-draft carburetors; they just have 90-degree air horns on them. (Sorry; that oft-repeated "back draft" description is kind of like my [B]battery hold-down fetish <GGG>)

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That "back draft" label really rubs me the wrong way, also. I noticed it, but let it pass because I didn't want to do anything to discourage Dick's welcome participation here.

kamzack
01-23-2012, 01:19 PM
Mr. Steinkemp,
Ya see, you were missed and are loved. Glad you're back.
Kim

pdrnec
01-23-2012, 01:30 PM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/lysdexic1/53a.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/lysdexic1/hawk.jpg

pdrnec
01-23-2012, 01:31 PM
That "back draft" label really rubs me the wrong way, also. I noticed it, but let it pass because I didn't want to do anything to discourage Dick's welcome participation here.

yah, but every time I use it everyone knows exactly what I mean. Sort of how language is suposed to work. If I can irritate someone into the bargain I guess it's a bonus ;)

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 01:41 PM
That "back draft" label really rubs me the wrong way, also. I noticed it, but let it pass because I didn't want to do anything to discourage Dick's welcome participation here.

I guess I could call it a Bendix Stromberg two barrel downdraft carburetor with an air horn turned ninety degrees from vertical and installed with the open end of the air horn facing the back of the motor...or I could call it a backdraft WW.

I think I'll continue to call it a backdraft WW. ;)

studegary
01-23-2012, 01:50 PM
I notice that both Pat and Dick picked up my comment and not Bob's. I was only agreeing with and supporting Bob P's. prior comment (about carb's.).

pdrnec
01-23-2012, 02:03 PM
No offense, just that I've never heard anyone refer to them any other way.

Mark57
01-23-2012, 02:30 PM
Good to see you with another Stude, Dick! Hopefully you'll find a bit of time to come to either Boise or Tacoma this spring or summer and we can catch up a bit.:)
What powerplant and transmission are you thinking of dropping into the wagon?

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 03:38 PM
Good to see you with another Stude, Dick! Hopefully you'll find a bit of time to come to either Boise or Tacoma this spring or summer and we can catch up a bit.:)
What powerplant and transmission are you thinking of dropping into the wagon?

It comes with a good running Stude V8 and Flightomatic and I'll stick with that.

I do hope to hook up with you at a meet this summer, Mark.

Dick Steinkamp
01-23-2012, 03:45 PM
I notice that both Pat and Dick picked up my comment and not Bob's. I was only agreeing with and supporting Bob P's. prior comment (about carb's.).

Sorry, Gary. I couldn't resist :o

We do count on you to "hold our feet to the fire" on proper Stude terms, and you are correct...there is no such thing technically as a "back draft" carb. That is the common term, however, and I probably won't change. (that would be a new trick, and I'm an old dog :))

kurtruk
01-23-2012, 10:03 PM
Doesn't it draft air from the back???? But you didn't ask me, and we should let it rest before...well, you know...:mad:

JRoberts
01-25-2012, 07:00 AM
Dick I was so glad when you started posting again as I have always enjoyed your contributions here. Now I am even more happy to see that you are really back in the "hunt" bring another Studebaker back home. I too am looking foreward to your reports on this new project.

woodysrods
01-25-2012, 09:49 AM
Enjoyed this read.
Touched home on too many bases.
Thanks for the ride in your boat.....when I was much youger I would have wanted to go skiing behind it!
Good to see the Plymouth wagon again. Saw it the first time I visited Allen Barth. Great project car for someone.
Wagonaire? Got one for a friend a couple of years ago...but it never came to pass. He sold it.
Short attention span? Me too. I have 5 personal projects on the go at this time.
Good Roads
Brian
Looking forward to retirement.

pdrnec
01-25-2012, 02:45 PM
It's on the truck and headed your way - the puzzles people have posted are fun, but putting together a car you didn't take apart - now that's a puzzle.

Hope you're happy with it!

Dick Steinkamp
01-25-2012, 04:18 PM
It's on the truck and headed your way - the puzzles people have posted are fun, but putting together a car you didn't take apart - now that's a puzzle.

Hope you're happy with it!

I'm good at puzzles. ;)

Actually these cars are pretty simple...plus the 63 Daytona that I got from Roscomacaw was in very similar condition when I got it. It will (hopefully) all come back to me.

I just talked to Dave (the driver). He's got 3 more cars to pick up in California on the way north. He should be up here early next week.

41 Frank
01-25-2012, 05:48 PM
I too had the experience,twice, of assembling a car I did not take apart. One was a 64 Gt Hawk, the other a 63 R-2 Avanti. The Avanti included installing a new interior. I had actually never been inside an Avanti when I was faced with putting it back together! But hey it all came together eventually. These are minor issues for Dick!

I'm good at puzzles. ;)

Actually these cars are pretty simple...plus the 63 Daytona that I got from Roscomacaw was in very similar condition when I got it. It will (hopefully) all come back to me.

I just talked to Dave (the driver). He's got 3 more cars to pick up in California on the way north. He should be up here early next week.

Dick Steinkamp
01-25-2012, 08:28 PM
These are minor issues for Dick!

Actually, they are major. I just make them SOUND minor. :)

I'm jealous of you and Denny this month...taking in all the auctions and car shows. Have enough fun for the rest of us stuck where there is actual winter.

41 Frank
01-25-2012, 09:20 PM
The auctions have come and gone,did Silver and B-J and had a blast, should have been there Dick, some very rare cars there for sure to feast one's eyes on. We are enjoying the 70's and looking forward to the next car show we'll do later this week. <G> I did see where it has been sort of nasty up there, oh well, stay inside where it is warm and start planning your strategy on that new Studebaker project.


Actually, they are major. I just make them SOUND minor. :)

I'm jealous of you and Denny this month...taking in all the auctions and car shows. Have enough fun for the rest of us stuck where there is actual winter.

53k
01-26-2012, 03:55 AM
Hey Dick,
When you finish yours, how about doing mine? It sure be nice to have a perfect Wagonaire<g>.
(Posted from the Philippines by Sony Reader)

Dick Steinkamp
01-26-2012, 10:15 AM
Hey Dick,
When you finish yours, how about doing mine? It sure be nice to have a perfect Wagonaire<g>.


I'm hoping mine turns out as nice as YOURS!