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CarCrosswordDan
01-09-2012, 06:11 PM
Any chance there were any early production 1958 President Starlight Hardtops that only had two headlights ? Thanks, Dan

StudeRich
01-09-2012, 06:17 PM
None, all 1958 Sedans/Hardtops/Wagons except Scotsmans, had the large 4 Headlight capable Pods, Champions had 2 Headlights in the same big Pod.

58PackardWagon
01-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Rich is correct. Why do you ask? Are you looking at switching out or possibly maybe need parts?

CarCrosswordDan
01-09-2012, 10:20 PM
I was only hoping as I really like that model with that ONE exception. Sadly, that's the answer I expected.

Chris_Dresbach
01-09-2012, 11:47 PM
I was only hoping as I really like that model with that ONE exception. Sadly, that's the answer I expected.

When I was building one of my racing tractors, one other mechanic told me "When in doubt, modify!!" ;)
On some things, that's the answer. On this it's up to you.

showbizkid
01-10-2012, 03:40 PM
I wonder what it would look like to take a '58J body and transplant a '57 President front clip, or - wilder yet - a '58 Scotsman clip, and trim it out like a Prez but with only single lamps. Could be pretty cool.

Jim B PEI
01-10-2012, 03:58 PM
Any chance there were any early production 1958 President Starlight Hardtops that only had two headlights ? Thanks, Dan

The answer is 'no' with one "possible" exception. They weren't sold in North America, but I understand apparently there were some Champion Starlights made for export. All the Starlights sold in North America were Commander and President V8 powered, I think. If they were like other 58 Champion sedans, they would have come with 2 headlights although 4 headlights was always an optional extra on 58 Champions I think. I have only seen a handful of 58 Champion sedans with the single headlights, and have no idea on the situation of the 58 Export Champion Starlights.

Lou Van Anne
01-10-2012, 04:00 PM
I wonder what it would look like to take a '58J body and transplant a '57 President front clip, or - wilder yet - a '58 Scotsman clip, and trim it out like a Prez but with only single lamps. Could be pretty cool.

It could only look better!

Chris_Dresbach
01-10-2012, 05:34 PM
The answer is 'no' with one "possible" exception. They weren't sold in North America, but I understand apparently there were some Champion Starlights made for export. All the Starlights sold in North America were Commander and President V8 powered, I think. If they were like other 58 Champion sedans, they would have come with 2 headlights although 4 headlights was always an optional extra on 58 Champions I think. I have only seen a handful of 58 Champion sedans with the single headlights, and have no idea on the situation of the 58 Export Champion Starlights.

I remember that. In fact, I think there was a copy of an add for these export only models in a (within the last year and a half) recent issue of TW.

JGK 940
01-10-2012, 06:13 PM
It could only look better!

Some of these mashups come out better than others, but I think this one shows the general idea pretty well. Many thanks to Craig Parslow for the J-body pic and to an anonymous donor from many years ago for the front end of the Scotsman.

SN-60
01-10-2012, 06:24 PM
That '57/'58 Starlight looks pretty darn nice!

5859
01-10-2012, 07:38 PM
Why don't you guys unscrew the fins too while you are at it. The headlight treatment is part of what makes a 58 hardtop, and without them they become somewhat dull. It's just as silly as putting a 50 or 51 front clip on a 52 hardtop.

JGK 940
01-10-2012, 08:03 PM
Why don't you guys unscrew the fins too while you are at it. The headlight treatment is part of what makes a 58 hardtop, and without them they become somewhat dull. It's just as silly as putting a 50 or 51 front clip on a 52 hardtop.


Just playin' "What If," here, buddy. To each his own. No offense expressed or intended.

Personally, I think a '50 Commander/Land Cruiser snout would look great in front of a '52-style hardtop greenhouse. I just haven't gotten around to mashing one up yet.

Chris_Dresbach
01-10-2012, 10:00 PM
Some of these mashups come out better than others, but I think this one shows the general idea pretty well. Many thanks to Craig Parslow for the J-body pic and to an anonymous donor from many years ago for the front end of the Scotsman.

I actually really like the looks of that. The only thing I would change is ditch the Scotsman "S" hood ornament for one from a Commander or President.

rockne10
01-10-2012, 10:11 PM
I think a '50 Commander/Land Cruiser snout would look great in front of a '52-style hardtop greenhouse. I just haven't gotten around to mashing one up yet.
Keoni, Good thing you've been busy. The '50 Commander/Land Cruiser clip won't fit on the '52. The '51 is a pretty straightforward bolt on.

Hadn't thought about this before but, perhaps the '52 hardtop tub could be attached to the '50 Commander chassis. Land Cruiser would still be too long.

dictator27
01-10-2012, 10:17 PM
The hardtop body is too plain with the single headlights, IMHO.

Terry

mbstude
01-10-2012, 10:22 PM
As a '57 President owner, and former owner of a '58 Commander, I really like the looks of that J body without the headlight pods. Also, nice to see you around, Keoni.

JGK 940
01-11-2012, 12:21 AM
Brad: The "plan," if ever there was to be one, would be to transplant the '52 hardtop tub onto a '50 Commander chassis... your second choice. Definitely a step backward in the ride comfort and handling departments, but oh well: there's never beauty without cost. The bullets and fenders of the '50 Champions and the whole line for '51 have always looked poorly-proportioned to me: just plain stubby. Like I said, to each his own.

Matt: Thanks for the greeting; good to see you, too, as always. I'm spending more time here in no small part 'cause I'm looking forward to seeing (a LOT of) pics of your progress on your new wagon.

StudeDave57
01-11-2012, 11:02 AM
That does look pretty good- but it needs a '57 hood and the emblems that go along with it.

Either that or it needs to be a Packard, with a '57 Packard nose.


1958s were way too plain up front- just four headlights and ten little letters...
(unless it was a Scotsman or a Champion without the optional four beams, of course)

allstateguy
01-11-2012, 11:23 AM
I've long lusted after either a 56 President Convertible or Hardtop. With either a 60 Lark tub to make a convertible, or a 56 President 2 door (already rare) as a donor to make the Hardtop look like a 56.

Just dreaming, but at least they are attractive dreams.

monomaniac
01-11-2012, 11:39 AM
President? No, only dual headlights, but your interesting question made me do some research.
I have a Dutch advertisement for a Champion Starlight hardtop for 1958.
It's a very good drawing, not a photograph but it DEFINITELY shows the front end without that dual pod.
It's a good looking car. There is a living example (although in poor condition) in the Netherlands.
I will investigate and try to get photos.