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Lou Van Anne
01-05-2012, 05:08 PM
Does anyone own this car or know if it still exists?

StudeRich
01-05-2012, 05:23 PM
Serial Number?

jts359
01-05-2012, 05:51 PM
Mine was sold in N.C. , Now how it got from there to a Junk yard in N.J. is a story I would love to hear , Ed

Lou Van Anne
01-05-2012, 05:58 PM
Serial Number? I have no idea. I remember seeing it on the show room floor at Ray Tanner Motors, North Central Ave, Phoenix in the fall of 63. I wanted it so bad I almost wet my pants. Being a junior in High School it was obviously out of the question, but now that I'm an old guy with a few bucks in the bank maybe I could make it happen. (The car that is, not wetting my pants).

BobPalma
01-05-2012, 06:02 PM
I have no idea. I remember seeing it on the show room floor at Ray Tanner Motors, North Central Ave, Phoenix in the fall of 63.

Lou: Seriouisly, think real hard: About when in the fall did you see it?

We may be able to narrow it down to a specific serial number, but the more accurate you can be as to month and time of them month, the easier will be the search. BP

StudeMichael
01-05-2012, 06:32 PM
What Bob really wants to know is if the car had a battery holder

BobPalma
01-05-2012, 06:39 PM
What Bob really wants to know is if the car had a battery holder

Sheesh...is it that obvious? <GGG> BP

Lou Van Anne
01-05-2012, 07:11 PM
Lou: Seriouisly, think real hard: About when in the fall did you see it?

We may be able to narrow it down to a specific serial number, but the more accurate you can be as to month and time of them month, the easier will be the search. BP
Again, I must respond with "no idea"...it may even have even been in the spring of '64. With production ending in December, I doubt that he would have had more than one red one. Is there a way to get a list of '64s that went to this dealership?

1962larksedan
01-06-2012, 07:50 PM
I have no idea. I remember seeing it on the show room floor at Ray Tanner Motors, North Central Ave, Phoenix in the fall of 63. I wanted it so bad I almost wet my pants. Being a junior in High School it was obviously out of the question, but now that I'm an old guy with a few bucks in the bank maybe I could make it happen. (The car that is, not wetting my pants).


Apparently the Ray Tanner building is still on Central Ave. :)

BobPalma
01-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Lou: Just for grins, I carefully gleaned the July 1986 Turning Wheels listing, by serial number, of all 1964 South-Bend-built Daytona convertibles. There were no red convertibles shipped to Arizona, much less Phoenix.

I'm not doubting that Ray Tanner had that one on the floor that you saw, but research becomes difficult to determine what it is because of the above finding.

Possible explations include:

1. The Build Order was scheduled for another dealer, changed at the last minute to go to Ray Tanner, and that notation was not made on all the copies of the P.O.

2. It was sent to another dealer out of state and Ray Tanner dealer-traded for it.

3. It was built in Hamilton. The July 1986 Turning Wheels reports only South-Bend built convertibles. There's no reason Ray Tanner could not have already ordered the car and the order was filled by Hamilton Assembly after January 1, 1964.

BP

Bill Pressler
01-07-2012, 09:41 AM
Lou: Just for grins, I carefully gleaned the July 1986 Turning Wheels listing, by serial number, of all 1964 South-Bend-built Daytona convertibles. There were no red convertibles shipped to Arizona, much less Phoenix.

I'm not doubting that Ray Tanner had that one on the floor that you saw, but research becomes difficult to determine what it is because of the above finding.

Possible explations include:

1. The Build Order was scheduled for another dealer, changed at the last minute to go to Ray Tanner, and that notation was not made on all the copies of the P.O.

2. It was sent to another dealer out of state and Ray Tanner dealer-traded for it.

3. It was built in Hamilton. The July 1986 Turning Wheels reports only South-Bend built convertibles. There's no reason Ray Tanner could not have already ordered the car and the order was filled by Hamilton Assembly after January 1, 1964.

BP

Bob, all of what you say is so true (as usual!). Carl E. Filer Co. in Greenville, PA sold a Bordeaux Red '64 convertible, 289 with 4-speed, white top and black bucket seats, and when I went to look at the production order, it said "Buffalo, NY". Apparently a dealer trade, although Ed doesn't recall that they traded "that far". That's the beauty of the museum having the retail sales cards, showing to whom and where the car was actually sold, for '61 and later cars (additionally-detailed cards available Sept. '63 and later).

candbstudebakers
01-07-2012, 10:09 AM
Lou, do you remember if the car had bucket seats or bench that would change it a little I had a red one with black bench seat and 289 with auto and power steering, it came from NY I was told and when I sold it it went to Oregon and still there I think, think back real hard every thing you can remember might help do the imposable.

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 04:40 PM
Apparently the Ray Tanner building is still on Central Ave. :)

Last time I was in Phoenix it was still standing. (two years ago)

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 04:48 PM
Lou: Seriouisly, think real hard: About when in the fall did you see it?

We may be able to narrow it down to a specific serial number, but the more accurate you can be as to month and time of them month, the easier will be the search. BP
I've thought a bit more about it and am now convinced it was the fall of '63. (I was a senior, not a junior) and remember being disappointed Christmas morning becasue I didn't receive it as a Christmas gift...not that there was a snow ball's chance in Phoenix of that ever happening).

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 04:54 PM
Lou, do you remember if the car had bucket seats or bench that would change it a little I had a red one with black bench seat and 289 with auto and power steering, it came from NY I was told and when I sold it it went to Oregon and still there I think, think back real hard every thing you can remember might help do the imposable.
Can't remember what type of seats...seems to me it was red with a black interior, (but now I'm not too sure, as I think more about it, the '64 Daytona of my dreams was red with a black interior, bucket seats, p/s, p/b, a/c, am/fm, 4 speed and Avanti powered).

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 05:41 PM
I think I may have found a picture of the car in the 1964 St Mary's High School year book El Caballero. Kinda looks like this one is white though, but can't really tell.
13196

BobPalma
01-07-2012, 06:16 PM
OK, Lou (and others following this thread):

Here's the data on all the 1964 South Bend convertibles shipped to Arizona. There are only three of them:

1. 64V6966: Destination: Phoenix. Astra White, white top. Red vinyl bucket seats. 289/225, Powershift, power steering, power brakes, etc.

2. 64V8913: Destination: Yuma. Bermuda Brown, white top. Brown vinyl bench seat. R1/Powershift, etc.

3. 64V11092: Destination: Phoenix. Strato Blue, white top. Blue vinyl bench seat. 259 / 180 / Flightomatic. AM-FM radio, etc.

OK, would-be sleuths: One of those allegedly couldn't have been built as specified, yet that's exactly what the Production Order says.

Which one, and why? BP

Dave Bates
01-07-2012, 06:23 PM
No. 2,powershift should have bucket seats.

studegary
01-07-2012, 06:24 PM
I think that the car in question is either 6966 or 11092, based on Bob P's detective work and Lou's yearbook photo.
I will guess that Lou just wanted it to be red or had the color confused with another car.

BobPalma
01-07-2012, 06:36 PM
No. 2,powershift should have bucket seats.

BINGO!

You're right, Dave: There is no mention of a seat option on 64V8913 and it is not a full-package car, so there's no record of it being built with anything except a standard bench seat even though it had Option #20: Powershift floor automatic!

It would be interesting to see the car; I'll bet somebody got "free" bucket seats. ('Same as my own 1964 Daytona convertible: It has no seat option specified, but is equipped with individually-adjustable front seats. It's history is known from Day One and all parties swear the seats have never been changed or even reupholstered, which is entirely believable when you examine the car closely.)

Weird doin's, to be sure.BP

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 06:47 PM
OK, Lou (and others following this thread):

Here's the data on all the 1964 South Bend convertibles shipped to Arizona. There are only three of them:

1. 64V6966: Destination: Phoenix. Astra White, white top. Red vinyl bucket seats. 289/225, Powershift, power steering, power brakes, etc.

2. 64V8913: Destination: Yuma. Bermuda Brown, white top. Brown vinyl bench seat. R1/Powershift, etc.

3. 64V11092: Destination: Phoenix. Strato Blue, white top. Blue vinyl bench seat. 259 / 180 / Flightomatic. AM-FM radio, etc.

OK, would-be sleuths: One of those allegedly couldn't have been built as specified, yet that's exactly what the Production Order says.

Which one, and why? BP

Hey, thanks. In the picture in the high school year it does look white. So it must be: 64V6966...does it still exhist? There were two Studebaker dealers in Phoenix at the time. Ray Tanner Motors and I can't remember the name of the other one, but it was on west McDowell, just off Central Ave. They were also the MB dealer...Phoenix Motors per haps?

2R2
01-07-2012, 07:28 PM
I would think the Yuma '64 Convert would have been sold at Leeper's Studebaker. He became the local Stude dealer on February 14, 1963, taking over Bob Butcher Studebaker, which was where my '63 was sold - well, at least according to the Shipping document. In addition, I think Leepers is the dealer which sold one of the nine R3 Avantis. (please correct me if I am wrong on this).

1962larksedan
01-07-2012, 09:18 PM
Hey, thanks. In the picture in the high school year it does look white. So it must be: 64V6966...does it still exhist? There were two Studebaker dealers in Phoenix at the time. Ray Tanner Motors and I can't remember the name of the other one, but it was on west McDowell, just off Central Ave. They were also the MB dealer...Phoenix Motors per haps?

Was there a "Randall Studebaker" in Mesa by any chance? 50 years ago Mesa was its own entity concerning dealerships unlike today where one city runs into another with virtually no visual differences.

Lou Van Anne
01-07-2012, 09:35 PM
I do remember a Studebaker dealer in Mesa, but not it's name. It was located on the North side of the main drag between Tempe and Mesa.

HawkGT
01-08-2012, 02:04 AM
Bob, all of what you say is so true (as usual!). Carl E. Filer Co. in Greenville, PA sold a Bordeaux Red '64 convertible, 289 with 4-speed, white top and black bucket seats, and when I went to look at the production order, it said "Buffalo, NY". Apparently a dealer trade, although Ed doesn't recall that they traded "that far". That's the beauty of the museum having the retail sales cards, showing to whom and where the car was actually sold, for '61 and later cars (additionally-detailed cards available Sept. '63 and later).

Bill, I worked for the Western NY and Western PA district manager in the summers of '64 and '65 while in college, and we did a lot of trading of both new and used cars among the various dealers. I was at Filer's a couple times to do trades with Buffalo dealers like Rogers, but I don't remember a convertible. In fact, I went as far afield as Atlanta once. The used wagon I picked up there had cord showing on the original Dunlop tires, and I had to change one on the way back to Rochester -- good thing only one went as the company did not give me a credit card or anything.

hausdok
01-08-2012, 03:35 AM
Hi,

Don't know if the O.P. will be interested in this one, but....

Red '63 with a white top. Sorry, this is an edit. When I originally posted this I thought I'd seen a black top on the car in the photo.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/2778109038.html

Mike O'Handley
Kenmore, Washington
hausdok@msn.com

P.S.

Perhaps he'd fancy something that's a little easier on the gas. This is a blue '64 six cylinder with a white top.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/ctd/2787843843.html

Bill Pressler
01-08-2012, 06:57 AM
Bill, I worked for the Western NY and Western PA district manager in the summers of '64 and '65 while in college, and we did a lot of trading of both new and used cars among the various dealers. I was at Filer's a couple times to do trades with Buffalo dealers like Rogers, but I don't remember a convertible. In fact, I went as far afield as Atlanta once. The used wagon I picked up there had cord showing on the original Dunlop tires, and I had to change one on the way back to Rochester -- good thing only one went as the company did not give me a credit card or anything.

Gene, thanks for posting...most interesting! I dug out my paperwork from my SNM Archives visit where I found out about the Bordeaux Red '64 convertible, and it was serial no. 64V-5962. The retail sale card, to Glenn Bestwick of Fredonia, PA, was in with the May '64 retail sales cards, and in June '64 I noted a card for Commander 2-door sedan serial 64S-2954 being traded to "Advance Studebaker Buffalo, NY". Ring a bell?

Ironically, I also saw Glenn Bestwick buying 64V-13758, a Commander 2-door sedan, in Feb. '64, and also a '64 Cruiser 64V-9236, in Feb. '65, trading in a "1964 Studebaker" (the only description on the card). Ed Filer remembers him as a good customer, but not much else. Someone else told me he was killed in a car accident sometime in the '70's.

64V-K7
01-08-2012, 12:18 PM
If you 're still interested, I show 2 dealers in Mesa AZ, Randall Bros. and T & S Motors ...........