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fdchief501
01-04-2012, 09:03 PM
Md Vol. Fire DEpt looking to rehab a 1931 studebaker fire truck. Looking for pictures and parts availability. Any help would be appreciated

Chris_Dresbach
01-04-2012, 11:27 PM
I may be able to access a few photos from the South Bend FDs archives. I guess they had a few Studebaker fire trucks. Parts from 1931 can be hard to come by, but I work for Studebaker International and would at least be able to see if certain parts are available. I know quite a few people on the South Bend department that may be able to help you out. Message me if you have any questions. I'm always interested in fire department related stuff.

rockne10
01-05-2012, 12:13 AM
Swab Wagon Company in Elizabethville, Pa, Studebaker dealer from early horse drawn in 1868 until 1966 and still producing Fire and Emergency apparatus.
Ask for Tony, Fred or Stuart or better yet, if he's hanging around, Mike Margerum, great-grandson of Jonas Swab. Tony, Fred and Stuart are newest generation of family to operate the company. Mike is retired and the last generation to really spend most time playing with Studebakers. Mike is notorious in the Antique Studebaker Club.

Mike Margerum
P.O.Box Drawer 0
Elizabethville, PA 17023



http://www.swabwagon.com/

fdchief501
01-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Chris,
Looking to start rehab of 1931 Studebaker S-50 Serial # 3475784 fire truck. Looking for parts availability if
needed - this vehicle in very good condition - had it running the day we brought it back to its original hometown. Very little rust - tires in good condition Any help would be appreciated.

Fran Jester fjester@Yahoo.com
1026 Sudlersville Rd.
Church HIll, Md. 21623

Studebaker Wheel
01-08-2012, 02:17 PM
Chris,
Looking to start rehab of 1931 Studebaker S-50 Serial # 3475784 fire truck. Looking for parts availability if
needed - this vehicle in very good condition - had it running the day we brought it back to its original hometown. Very little rust - tires in good condition Any help would be appreciated.

Fran Jester fjester@Yahoo.com
1026 Sudlersville Rd.
Church HIll, Md. 21623

I believe you have the wrong model designation. The serial #3475784 is consistent with a model S-60. It would have been assembled in February 1931. There were 2070 units built in the U.S. (serial range 3475001 t0 3477071), and another 76 in Walkerville, Ont. The only difference between the S-50 and S-60 was the wheelbase, 148” for the former and 160” the latter. These trucks used the same engines as the Studebaker Six (model 54) passenger cars a 3 1/4 X 4 1/8” 205 c.i. Six with 68 h.p.

Rather than the shotgun approach (i.e. I need parts) it would be better to state the specific parts you need. Joining the Antique Studebaker Club would be a wise move.
http://www.theantiquestudebakerclub.com/membershippage/membershippage.htm

fdchief501
01-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Yes it is a Model S-60, (typed wrong in post) I was just looking for information on how hard parts may be for this vehicle before we start our
renovation. Will be joining Antique Studebaker Club as you suggest! Do you know of any other 1931's that are still around ?

Fran Jester

Chris_Dresbach
01-09-2012, 09:58 PM
Yes it is a Model S-60, (typed wrong in post) I was just looking for information on how hard parts may be for this vehicle before we start our
renovation. Will be joining Antique Studebaker Club as you suggest! Do you know of any other 1931's that are still around ?

Fran Jester

When it comes to parts, it's all about the numbers. I would strongly reccomend getting "the books" (shop manual, body, and chassis books). When you find that you need a part, you have the part number and it's much easier to find that way. That's my job, I'd know. ;)

Studebaker Wheel
01-10-2012, 12:16 AM
Yes it is a Model S-60, (typed wrong in post) I was just looking for information on how hard parts may be for this vehicle before we start our
renovation. Will be joining Antique Studebaker Club as you suggest! Do you know of any other 1931's that are still around ?

Fran Jester

Since mechanical parts are interchangeable with passenger cars you may have some luck there by networking with other ASC members. Do not expect to find NOS parts. Body parts are pretty much out of the question. None around. Sorry to say there is no "one stop shopping center" for 80 year old Studebaker truck parts.

One other point, Studebaker did not build fire trucks. They did provide truck chassis (incl engine and cab) that could be used as a base for mounting bodies of various types. All of the actual fire apparatus behind the cab would have been provided by a separate company that had no direct Studebaker connection.

Chris_Dresbach
01-10-2012, 12:20 AM
I'm curious, being that old does it have a Seagrave bed on it? I know they made a lot. If not I know sometimes departments would scratch build fire truck beds.

fdchief501
01-10-2012, 11:18 PM
Body and pump manufactured by US Fire Co of Wilmington Del. Believe they went of out business in 1950. Body in very good shape for age of
vehicle. If any parts are needed it will probably be mechanical or electrical in nature. Will try to post photos
Where can we obtain shop manuals, etc ?
Fran

Chris_Dresbach
01-10-2012, 11:35 PM
You can get all the books you need for the (studebaker) parts of the truck from Studebaker International.
http://www.studebaker-intl.com/

Studebaker Wheel
01-11-2012, 02:16 AM
You can get all the books you need for the (studebaker) parts of the truck from Studebaker International.
http://www.studebaker-intl.com/

Chris; I doubt if the 1931 truck catalog has been reproduced.

fdchief501
01-12-2012, 07:34 AM
133011330013299Chris,

Checked the 1931 catalog and found not mention of manuals back to 1931. Attchaing some photos of 1931 fire truck.


Fran13298

Studebaker Wheel
01-12-2012, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the photos. What town bought it originally? Cannot read it in its entirety, looks like maybe Church Hill, MD?

fdchief501
01-12-2012, 01:48 PM
Thanks for the photos. What town bought it originally? Cannot read it in its entirety, looks like maybe Church Hill, MD?

That's correct? That was the 2nd motorized pumper for Church Hill - first one was a 1926 Model T. The Studebaker was sold in the 1950's to a local farmer who used it for
spraying trees on their large farm. I served as Fire Chief from 1974 to 1999 and tried to get it back during that time but was unable to. We go it back in 2006 but have not done anything with it due to budget constraints. WE are glad to have it back in it's orignal home. Still have one life member in the fire co.who drove it back in the early fifties.

Francis D. Jester

fdchief501
01-14-2012, 09:28 AM
You can get all the books you need for the (studebaker) parts of the truck from Studebaker International.
http://www.studebaker-intl.com/

Chris,

Ordered 2012 catalog but saw nothing in it on line that referenced parts for trucks back to 1931. Any comments on the photos I attached.

Fran

Scott
01-14-2012, 07:20 PM
This might help:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/engine216/Dauphin%20County%20Fire%20Companies/Swabs/OldEngine1931Studebaker-Nott.jpg

from http://www.centralpafire.com/forum/showthread.php?6060-Old-Dauphin-County-Apparatus/page18

Clement
01-17-2012, 04:49 PM
Studebaker Wheel,

I just purchased a 1931 S60 serial # 3476310 this weekend. Can you tell me the month it was built? It's complete but rough. I will post photos soon. Thanks!

Studebaker Wheel
01-17-2012, 07:28 PM
Studebaker Wheel,

I just purchased a 1931 S60 serial # 3476310 this weekend. Can you tell me the month it was built? It's complete but rough. I will post photos soon. Thanks!

Serial range for S60 #3475001 to 3477071. Your truck, serial 3476310, assembled June 1931.

Chris_Dresbach
01-17-2012, 10:09 PM
Chris,

Ordered 2012 catalog but saw nothing in it on line that referenced parts for trucks back to 1931. Any comments on the photos I attached.

Fran

Good!! That truck looks like a good start for a restoration. If you need any part numbers that aren't in the SI book looked up, just let me know.
It's kind of unusual to see a dooly truck that's that old. I haven't seen that many.

fdchief501
01-18-2012, 08:21 AM
Good!! That truck looks like a good start for a restoration. If you need any part numbers that aren't in the SI book looked up, just let me know.
It's kind of unusual to see a dooly truck that's that old. I haven't seen that many.


Chris,

Sent these photos to Md Chapter of Society for Preservation of Antique Fire Apparatus
and a couple of their members feel we should not restore it but leave as is and just make it
mechanically sound. Said it would be worth more as a used original. Your thoughts ?

Fran

fdchief501
01-29-2012, 02:37 PM
Looking for Studebaker Trucks 2 Ton S-6 Master Parts Catalog. Faxonautoliterature.com had one advertised for $ 199.00
but it was currently out of stock. Any other sources you might know of ?

Can anyone tell me what the small name plates said on each side of the hood. Can not read it in picture of white 1931. Post # 17
It appears ours were removed when the did the gold leaf striping and never replaced. Holes still there on both sides of hood.

Clement
01-29-2012, 03:03 PM
These were attached with two brass rivets.



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fdchief501
01-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Thanks! I was hoping they said Pierce Arrow instead to match our other fire apparatus. Know where we can get them ?

Clement
01-29-2012, 03:32 PM
Fran,

If you think you have a big restoration ahead take a look at mine purchased a few weeks ago. My truck is quite complete in regards to factory equipment even though it's in rough condition. I will be happy to help with any info I can provide from my truck that you may need, Richard Quinn has determined that your truck was built in February 1931 and mine in June 526 S60 chassis numbers apart. My ID #347631.
I am located in Fitchburg, MAssachusetts and have moved the truck to my location. My truck was located in a barn in Lunenburg, MA where, as close as we can determine, it has been sitting since sometime around the start of WWII. It was owned by a cattle dealer who left the truck to enter WWII and when he returned after the war, he purchased a new Ford. His nephew is still alive, in his 80's, and recounted that story to me.
The motor is stuck, roof covering is gone, and driver's door missing. The truck has surface rust throughout but remarkably not much rot. And, as I said, pretty complete. It will never be a show truck (I'm not a millionaire) but I thick I can get it running and presentable looking. It has alot of local interest with much of the original lettering still intact. It is currently "wrapped up" outside but I can get to it if you need photos of anything.
Thank you to Richard Quinn, Frank Drumheller & others for all your help ID'ing the truck for me. Massachusetts is issuing me a title thanks to your help.

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Chris_Dresbach
01-29-2012, 03:47 PM
Chris,

Sent these photos to Md Chapter of Society for Preservation of Antique Fire Apparatus
and a couple of their members feel we should not restore it but leave as is and just make it
mechanically sound. Said it would be worth more as a used original. Your thoughts ?

Fran

Owner's choice really. What do you plan to use the truck for? Will it be a show truck that will be kept in the department or does the department plan to sell it? If it's going to be a show truck and plan on keeping it in the department, then I would restore it. If you plan on fixing it to sell it, then I would not restore it. CONDITION is also a big factor. If the truck is completly beat to pieces, then it needs to be restored. If it is already mechanically sound but just looks like its been to a few fires, but has patina on it, leave it alone. I would need to see the truck up close. If you want, give me a call. I'll send you a PM.

Clement
01-29-2012, 03:58 PM
Thanks! I was hoping they said Pierce Arrow instead to match our other fire apparatus. Know where we can get them ?

I wish it was that easy. I think you are going to find that most body and trim parts are going to be nearly impossible to find. I am on the lookout for parts and literature relating to these trucks and will share what info I find with you. I will be removing my hood emblems in the spring to restore them and would be happy to make detailed drawings for you in case you can't find originals and want to reproduce something close.

fdchief501
01-29-2012, 04:03 PM
Chris,

No we plan on restoring it for parades etc. Since it was the FD's 2nd motorized pumper we plan on keeping it for history's
sake. Plan on changing it over to 12v and new wiring and ignition system. It has a few small rust areas near body and running boards. Email address fjester@ Yahoo.com

Fran

Clement
01-29-2012, 04:23 PM
Fran,

Does it run now? I wouldn't even change it over to 12v especially if the 6v system is all there. They're only original once. Lots of 6v fire trucks running fine in parades around here. Tune it up. Maybe rebuild in the carb. Just enjoy it!


Chris,

No we plan on restoring it for parades etc. Since it was the FD's 2nd motorized pumper we plan on keeping it for history's
sake. Plan on changing it over to 12v and new wiring and ignition system. It has a few small rust areas near body and running boards. Email address fjester@ Yahoo.com

Fran

Studebaker Wheel
01-29-2012, 05:23 PM
I agree re not changing it to 12V. I never understood that. Keep the 6V system. It worked fine for 60 years or so for all cars big and small (unless, of course you plan to install air or a fancy stereo sound system).

Studebaker Wheel
01-30-2012, 09:55 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/newsgroup/IMG_4135truckparts31a.jpg?t=1327981845
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/newsgroup/IMG_4136truckparts31b.jpg?t=1327982004

Here is the parts book for the S 50 and S 60. Measures 7 1/2 X 9 1/4," about 120 pages. Not many around, in fact the only one I have seen.

fdchief501
01-31-2012, 09:50 AM
Richard,

Anyway that the parts of the book dealing with the S-60 chassis can be copied. Would really like to have them.

Fran

fdchief501
02-08-2012, 09:02 PM
These were attached with two brass rivets.



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Found one in California - now need another to match