Outside the box Temperature control?

[kmac530]

So my off beat mind is always churning and thinking of different things. I have been mulling over making some sort of heat and possibly even A/C on Oscar {49 2R10}.

I have been thinking about a hidden system for air. I have 2 ideas for heat. Both are based loosely on a VW heater box system.

One idea is to run the head pipes up thru the cool air intake opening inside the fender well and then just control the heat volumn with the vent opening. The little vent doors on the firewall open and you can see straight out thru the grill. If there were part of the exhaust pipe running up thru that vent tube, all you would need to do is open vent door more or less to allow in more or less heat.

The other would be to make a box around the exhaust pipe under the seat area that is simply open in the front and has an outlet at the rear connected to a tube that runs up to the riser area under the seat and have doors on those like the firewall to allow heat in or not. To even make that a little more controlled I could use those electric exhaust cut-out valves to kill the airflow thru the tube when it is not cold.

Then to make cool air. I do not like the big boxes under the dash on the vintage air. I would like something less visible, even if it is a little less efficient, that just brings in cool air somewhere.

If I used the heat under the seat design, I could mount a compressor on the bottom side of the motor, a condensor in front of the radiator like normal, then run the evap core inside the vent inlet tubes on the fenderwells where my first heater idea was. Turn a small switch off to disengage the compressor clutch and close the 2 vent doors on the firewall and no cold air will come in.

Or I could also mount the A/C under the cab as well and blow it down by your calves where plan B of the heat would be....

What do you folks think?
Simple and almost invisible from inside the cab and under the hood in both cases. I want something different.

[avantilover]

Personally, I don't like the idea of using the exhaust for heat due to potential Carbon Monoxide poisoning if there was ever a leak - you'd be asleep before you could switch off. And we value your presence on the forum, stay around for a while :-)~ Perhaps contact Vintage Air or an A/C specialist to see what could be done to suit your requirements - maybe there is a system from a late model vehicle which could be adapted.

[dean pearson]

Go with the floor radiator heater like in my 52 and just add a small electric fan.
Also on my car for a/c I plan to use the old school passenger window "aftermarket" ? unit, (just add water and drive)

Dean.

Ps,
Now thats outside of the box.

[kmac530]

Personally, I don't like the idea of using the exhaust for heat due to potential Carbon Monoxide poisoning if there was ever a leak - you'd be asleep before you could switch off. And we value your presence on the forum, stay around for a while :-)~ Perhaps contact Vintage Air or an A/C specialist to see what could be done to suit your requirements - maybe there is a system from a late model vehicle which could be adapted.

All VW type 1-4 {air cooled} use an exhaust based heater. I am talking about a collector around the outside of a straight piece of new pipe. I am not too worried about CO issues. I just do not like Vintage air stuff. I want it to be virtually invisible from the cab and engine compartment.

Dean,
What is your floor radiator heater system like?

[dean pearson]

Mine is just what I think is a normal factory set up for a 52, It has a small floor radiator under the passenger seat, Pretty cool set up and I've gone to a lot of trouble to make sure none of my mods interfere with it.
On my car to get air flow you operate the fender door vents but on your truck I would think you could just add a small electric fan under the seat.
I have some extra parts if interested.

Dean.

[JRoberts]

I had a '50 2R6 that had a stock climatizer. I had no heat issues. It worked fine. If it was real cold and I needed to defrost the windsheild, sometimes I would simply open the vent window slightly and that worked great. I used the truck as a daily driver for a couple of years all year round and found this to work just fine. If your truck doesn't have a Climatizer I am sure you can find one somewhere.

Now, as far as air conditioning goes, I can't think of a way to make that invisiable. At a lot of swap meets vintage under the dash units can be found. I would consider one of those units. They look vintage and not really out of place.

[kmac530]

Joe, that is precisely the issue. Someone installed a Stude radio in the wrong spot and is where the climatizer should be, and drilled some holes for the added on OD trans engage cable and another item where the radio should go. My factory options are slim to nill. And again, as stated 2 times before, I just do NOT like any of the vintage air stuff under the dash. That is the entire reason I am trying to create something under the cab humps under the seat wells..