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55s
06-10-2007, 11:27 AM
I finally got my 58 Packard Hawk out. I'd hoped to take it to SB, but time is short. It has not been really driven for a while. (About 4 years ago I drove it to a local meet. It was previusly licensed in 2000.)(I have also read the generic instructions on the SDC main page.)

Questions:

(1) The supercharger has been off for many years. I have another, but I'm not sure if I have the brackets and other stuff. It seems to run well, even on the old gas (I did put in some preservative). Question: What gas should a non-supercharged but high compression engine need?

(2) Airbox: There is a little flap across the front of the airbox that slips sideways. It does not seem to be moving - pushed to the side?? Should I try to oil or fix or recreate or can I put some tape over it or should I leave it alone?

(3) Leather upholstery: Excellent overall condition original cracked leather upholstery. 1 minor 1/2 inch tear. Some colouring variations due to sun and spills, and vinyl armrests don't match. Questions: How should I restore? Colour, then put conditioner in or put conditioner in, then colour? Or best advice. New is $5K - reasonable, but a little expensive right now.

I'm changing oil and checking brakes this afternoon.

Paul R

bonehead007
06-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Best one to talk to about Packard Hawks is Mike Williams at www.packardhawk.com Whenever I have any questions or problems with mine, I email him. He is the Packard Hawk Guru...

bonehead007
06-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Best one to talk to about Packard Hawks is Mike Williams at www.packardhawk.com Whenever I have any questions or problems with mine, I email him. He is the Packard Hawk Guru...

N8N
06-10-2007, 01:11 PM
re: the leather, I would check out leatherique products, I have never used them but have heard nothing but good things about them. Ask them your questions and what they'd recommend you do. Personally I would try to recolor what you have to make it more uniform; I think a little cracking is acceptable and adds character to an old car. Certainly you won't get value for money in terms of appearance improvement with all new leather seat covers. Might want to check with a local upholstery shop to see if there's anything they could do about the tear - gluing a patch from behind, etc.

You don't need premium gas at all until you have the blower back on. Your engine should have something like 7:1 compression and it'll probably run on just about anything that a reasonable person would think to feed it.

nate

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N8N
06-10-2007, 01:11 PM
re: the leather, I would check out leatherique products, I have never used them but have heard nothing but good things about them. Ask them your questions and what they'd recommend you do. Personally I would try to recolor what you have to make it more uniform; I think a little cracking is acceptable and adds character to an old car. Certainly you won't get value for money in terms of appearance improvement with all new leather seat covers. Might want to check with a local upholstery shop to see if there's anything they could do about the tear - gluing a patch from behind, etc.

You don't need premium gas at all until you have the blower back on. Your engine should have something like 7:1 compression and it'll probably run on just about anything that a reasonable person would think to feed it.

nate

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http://members.cox.net/njnagel

bonehead007
06-10-2007, 01:31 PM
What serial # Hawk do you have ????

bonehead007
06-10-2007, 01:31 PM
What serial # Hawk do you have ????

go-studebaker
06-11-2007, 07:35 AM
Hi Paul,
I liked the picture of your flash red Hawk on this months cover of TW. In 1993 Rogers kids were just kids. They obviously grew up and it looks like they have Don McMurrich's 56 Hawk.

Re your dads Packard Hawk.

1 They have dished pistons like a normal 289 so any gas will go.

2 The flapper valve on the airbox does not matter if it is open or closed if the car does not have the blower fitted. It will just let a bit of air in that does not go through the air filter.

That flapper valve is available from most good parts dealers ie Myers. The flapper valve closes to the box when the blower starts boosting the air going into the motor as it pushes more air in than a naturally aspirated car sucks in naturally.

3 I would leave the leather alone. If anything rub some Dubbin in to soften it. Gerry's car is obviously not getting much use, and if the interior looks OK and original, just leave it. Most people know nothing bout Packard Hawks anyway, and it is nice to see a car with an original appearance with lifes scrapes, indicating use as a proper car at some previous time.

Since Packard Hawks are so unusual at any meet, just having one at South Bend will be more than enough. I think there were 4 PH's at SB in 2002.

Concentrate on the brakes etc and get that sexy weapon to South Bend.

I will be stuck in my garage here in the UK working like a mad man on my 1939 Convertible, dreaming of being in Stude heaven. Say Hi to Sandy for me if you see that scally wag.

Good luck
Greg


Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
06-11-2007, 07:35 AM
Hi Paul,
I liked the picture of your flash red Hawk on this months cover of TW. In 1993 Rogers kids were just kids. They obviously grew up and it looks like they have Don McMurrich's 56 Hawk.

Re your dads Packard Hawk.

1 They have dished pistons like a normal 289 so any gas will go.

2 The flapper valve on the airbox does not matter if it is open or closed if the car does not have the blower fitted. It will just let a bit of air in that does not go through the air filter.

That flapper valve is available from most good parts dealers ie Myers. The flapper valve closes to the box when the blower starts boosting the air going into the motor as it pushes more air in than a naturally aspirated car sucks in naturally.

3 I would leave the leather alone. If anything rub some Dubbin in to soften it. Gerry's car is obviously not getting much use, and if the interior looks OK and original, just leave it. Most people know nothing bout Packard Hawks anyway, and it is nice to see a car with an original appearance with lifes scrapes, indicating use as a proper car at some previous time.

Since Packard Hawks are so unusual at any meet, just having one at South Bend will be more than enough. I think there were 4 PH's at SB in 2002.

Concentrate on the brakes etc and get that sexy weapon to South Bend.

I will be stuck in my garage here in the UK working like a mad man on my 1939 Convertible, dreaming of being in Stude heaven. Say Hi to Sandy for me if you see that scally wag.

Good luck
Greg


Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

jnormanh
06-11-2007, 08:39 AM
You may want to check around about reupholstering. If you can find a reasonable shop to do the work, and buy the leather yourself, it might cost a lot less than you think. Full hides, in any color you want, are available for about $300-$350 and will yield about 45 sq. ft. each. Two, possibly three would be all you need. Check Kanter or Bill Hirsch for good leather.

jnormanh
06-11-2007, 08:39 AM
You may want to check around about reupholstering. If you can find a reasonable shop to do the work, and buy the leather yourself, it might cost a lot less than you think. Full hides, in any color you want, are available for about $300-$350 and will yield about 45 sq. ft. each. Two, possibly three would be all you need. Check Kanter or Bill Hirsch for good leather.

stude53
06-11-2007, 08:52 AM
Attention: Mr. Diffen,
Wear your Studebaker Truck Farmer Badge next week and think of the ones of us that make it to South Bend.

Greg, I'm really excited about this meet like no other in my memory. We are having a catered STF dinner Tuesday night at SASCO (85 seats filled) and now have 212 Studebaker Truck Fans signed on to a fun group Known as the new Studebaker Truck Farmers.

A rare treat is that Chuck Naugle of Arizona, the guy that started the original Truck Farmers and featured in the May Turning Wheels, will be there with us in South Bend.

I have something you might like to have, the STUDE NEWS newsletter from The Studebaker Car Club of Australia Inc. from February 1995, No.315, from when I visited with you in Australia. It has your name all over it. Email me if you didn't save a copy.

I'll think of you and the "Chick Magnet" Catfish Packard Hawk next week.

Regards,
Bob Feaganes


[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
06-11-2007, 08:52 AM
Attention: Mr. Diffen,
Wear your Studebaker Truck Farmer Badge next week and think of the ones of us that make it to South Bend.

Greg, I'm really excited about this meet like no other in my memory. We are having a catered STF dinner Tuesday night at SASCO (85 seats filled) and now have 212 Studebaker Truck Fans signed on to a fun group Known as the new Studebaker Truck Farmers.

A rare treat is that Chuck Naugle of Arizona, the guy that started the original Truck Farmers and featured in the May Turning Wheels, will be there with us in South Bend.

I have something you might like to have, the STUDE NEWS newsletter from The Studebaker Car Club of Australia Inc. from February 1995, No.315, from when I visited with you in Australia. It has your name all over it. Email me if you didn't save a copy.

I'll think of you and the "Chick Magnet" Catfish Packard Hawk next week.

Regards,
Bob Feaganes


[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

MikeW
06-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Paul,
Do I have your car listed on the roster of surviving Packard Hawks? If not send me the number from the car and I will send you a roster in return.
The flapper valve should be on the inside of the air box. I am unsure about whether yours is inside or outside. With no SC it makes no difference if its there or not. It is attached with two screws but it sounds as though yours is missing one.
The arm rests are a different color because only the top of the arm rest was leather. The rest of the door panel is vinyl.
If I can be of any assistance let me know.


Mike
www.packardhawk.com

MikeW
06-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Paul,
Do I have your car listed on the roster of surviving Packard Hawks? If not send me the number from the car and I will send you a roster in return.
The flapper valve should be on the inside of the air box. I am unsure about whether yours is inside or outside. With no SC it makes no difference if its there or not. It is attached with two screws but it sounds as though yours is missing one.
The arm rests are a different color because only the top of the arm rest was leather. The rest of the door panel is vinyl.
If I can be of any assistance let me know.


Mike
www.packardhawk.com

55s
06-11-2007, 05:37 PM
Thank you all for your advice.

Mike: Yes, I have 2 PHs registered with you. One I hope to drive to SB, the other is now in primer, engine with s/c finished, upholstery ratty. I was not aware that there was a combination of leather and vinyl used on the door panels - I thought just the outside arm rests were vinyl. Production Speedsters had vinyl doors panels as well, while the 14 show cars were completely leather.

N8 - looked at leather web site - looks very interesting and possible. It appears the the process (i.e. putting moisture back in, taking old finish off, prepping and filling and redying will take longer than I have time for, so I guess the last steps will have wait. I did not intend to have the car judged anyway.

Greg: I last saw Don at our annual swap meet (now in Badenoch). There's a good write up in Old Autos in the latest issue. Old Toastmasters friend Reg Hillary (now 87) gave a talk on winning the Shell 4000/ Trans-Canada Rally in 1961. He was the co-driver of the winning Lark.

Thank you all again.

Paul

55s
06-11-2007, 05:37 PM
Thank you all for your advice.

Mike: Yes, I have 2 PHs registered with you. One I hope to drive to SB, the other is now in primer, engine with s/c finished, upholstery ratty. I was not aware that there was a combination of leather and vinyl used on the door panels - I thought just the outside arm rests were vinyl. Production Speedsters had vinyl doors panels as well, while the 14 show cars were completely leather.

N8 - looked at leather web site - looks very interesting and possible. It appears the the process (i.e. putting moisture back in, taking old finish off, prepping and filling and redying will take longer than I have time for, so I guess the last steps will have wait. I did not intend to have the car judged anyway.

Greg: I last saw Don at our annual swap meet (now in Badenoch). There's a good write up in Old Autos in the latest issue. Old Toastmasters friend Reg Hillary (now 87) gave a talk on winning the Shell 4000/ Trans-Canada Rally in 1961. He was the co-driver of the winning Lark.

Thank you all again.

Paul

go-studebaker
06-12-2007, 07:47 AM
Hi Bob,
I will dig my Truck farmers badge out and display in my toy cabinet on my desk at home in the office.

Good luck with the dinner. Chuck Nagle was always good fun to be around and was always with Earl when I lived state side. This getting older thing is a bit of a bugger. His daughter married an Australian in the early 1990's

Say hi to him from the Ozzie that lived in Toronto in the early 1990's

I hope Lester Schmidt is going to be there as well.

I would seriously love to be in SB next week, as my emphasis has changed to early Studebakers rather than those late common type cars !! So I am low on knowlwdge wanting more. They basically drive like trucks anyway.... The Thursday show is great for that, plus catching up with old friends. In 2002 I was totally amazed at how many really superb cars were on the field.

My mother is comming over from Oz in August and we have booked a 3 week holiday catching the ferry to Northern Spain and then exploring and generally heading over towards Andora through the Pirinees and then on up thru central France, to the battlefields of Flanders and one of my grandfathers gong sites. We leave via Cherbourg in Normandy.
Weather we survive that long with my mother in the car, is another thing. Is it cool to tie your mother to a roof rack. Do they make factory roof racks for 1937 Studebakers with mother tie down and gag straps!!

It should be a fun trip in my 1937 Australian built Dictator with nothing booked apart from our arival and departure ferrys. This will be the first time I have driven RHD in a LHD country.

I certainly miss my Packard Hawk, and can honestly say out of the 60 or 70 Studebakers I have owned it is the only car I wish I still owned.

I do have the 1995 Stude News somewhere. I am still a member of my local club back in Oz as I am a firm believer in supporting your local car club.

How is life in retirement treating you?

Regards
Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
06-12-2007, 07:47 AM
Hi Bob,
I will dig my Truck farmers badge out and display in my toy cabinet on my desk at home in the office.

Good luck with the dinner. Chuck Nagle was always good fun to be around and was always with Earl when I lived state side. This getting older thing is a bit of a bugger. His daughter married an Australian in the early 1990's

Say hi to him from the Ozzie that lived in Toronto in the early 1990's

I hope Lester Schmidt is going to be there as well.

I would seriously love to be in SB next week, as my emphasis has changed to early Studebakers rather than those late common type cars !! So I am low on knowlwdge wanting more. They basically drive like trucks anyway.... The Thursday show is great for that, plus catching up with old friends. In 2002 I was totally amazed at how many really superb cars were on the field.

My mother is comming over from Oz in August and we have booked a 3 week holiday catching the ferry to Northern Spain and then exploring and generally heading over towards Andora through the Pirinees and then on up thru central France, to the battlefields of Flanders and one of my grandfathers gong sites. We leave via Cherbourg in Normandy.
Weather we survive that long with my mother in the car, is another thing. Is it cool to tie your mother to a roof rack. Do they make factory roof racks for 1937 Studebakers with mother tie down and gag straps!!

It should be a fun trip in my 1937 Australian built Dictator with nothing booked apart from our arival and departure ferrys. This will be the first time I have driven RHD in a LHD country.

I certainly miss my Packard Hawk, and can honestly say out of the 60 or 70 Studebakers I have owned it is the only car I wish I still owned.

I do have the 1995 Stude News somewhere. I am still a member of my local club back in Oz as I am a firm believer in supporting your local car club.

How is life in retirement treating you?

Regards
Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible