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Chris_Dresbach
11-05-2010, 04:12 PM
In a previous thread I mentioned that I have some dealership record books in my collection. They are all from Newman & Altman in South Bend. I previously thought that I had books from 1959 to 1965, but stand corrected. The books are from 1954 to 1965. The majority of the information in them is payroll, but the last one from 1965 has the complete list of new cars sold by N&A in 1965 (as well as used, but no serial numbers for those cars). One night this past week I started doing some digging in these books and copied all of the new car buyer names and the car serial numbers. Three days later, the list was complete... :eek: Give or take, all the names are spelled correctly according to the book and all the numbers are correct. So here is the list; is YOUR car on is? :)

If this generates any interest, I also have the book from 1954 which has fewer numbers. That book has all ENGINE NUMBERS only, but I'm not sure about it. That book reads new car sales: PACKARD ENGINE NUMBERS. :confused:

Newman & Altman new car sales (1965)
STUDEBAKER

Name of purchaser Car serial number
Gerald L. Palmer-----------------------------------------63Y-21048
Cass Hudson----------------------------------------------64V-13805
Helen Lomat----------------------------------------------64V-6302
Urban L. Stucker-----------------------------------------64V-17115
Thomas W. Hansen--------------------------------------C510632
Kenneth A. Ball------------------------------------------64V-9127
James R. Meekan----------------------------------------63V-29058
Howard Helvey------------------------------------------C510632
Charles M. Marckborn----------------------------------64V-13897
Lawrence Cobenhaver----------------------------------C110352
Wilbur Lawall-------------------------------------------64V-3955
Walter Snyder-------------------------------------------64V-13768
William J. Stelle----------------------------------------C510876
Teds Cycle Sales---------------------------------------64V-7135
Hough S. Rodgers-------------------------------------63V-20127
Clem Warbonski---------------------------------------64V-20096
W.C. Saltgar--------------------------------------------64V-13850
L.F. Booaca---------------------------------------------64V-1601B
Brook Motors-------------------------------------------C110397
Lloyd Davis---------------------------------------------64S-4005
Margaret Liddle----------------------------------------64V-7340
Floyd Connor-------------------------------------------64V-13834
John Forror----------------------------------------------64V-16002
John Barkowski-----------------------------------------6516385
Arwera Jeetner------------------------------------------C516358
Rose Mary Bell-----------------------------------------64V-16070
Friedman Motor Co.-----------------------------------E28-9132
Donald Sondefor---------------------------------------64S-8881
Noble Frederisk----------------------------------------64V-16308
Earl Moore----------------------------------------------64V-16693
Leo Barkowski-----------------------------------------64V-15796
Jrene Walorski-----------------------------------------64V-15834
Lawrence D. Pratt-------------------------------------64V-16309
Earl Aker Jr.-------------------------------------------64V-16273
Mary Doolittle----------------------------------------64V-11340
Max W. Loird-----------------------------------------64V-16174
Harry Brekrus-----------------------------------------64V-13775
Allen Howes------------------------------------------64V-17001
Bertha Waldo-----------------------------------------C116734
Edith Patter--------------------------------------------64V-15870
Louis Kaniewski--------------------------------------64V-16689
Lillie Sullivan-----------------------------------------64V-16087
Harshell Smith----------------------------------------64V-16319
Mary Suisher------------------------------------------C519009
Slory Chelmineik-------------------------------------64V-16271
H. Caldwell--------------------------------------------64V-16679
Edward Wishit----------------------------------------64V-17374
John Lombardo---------------------------------------64V-3241
John VanDorseloar-----------------------------------64V-13736
Robert Forsbery---------------------------------------64V-16173
S.E. Meyer & Son------------------------------------64V-17636
Nathan Patts-------------------------------------------E28-9126
F.E. Heckman & Son--------------------------------64V-9417
Milo Togue-------------------------------------------64V-16984
Stanley Napieralski----------------------------------64V-19060
Guy B. Wilson---------------------------------------64V-19763
Milo Togue-------------------------------------------C511700
Donald Burns----------------------------------------64V-14199
Univ. Of Michigan----------------------------------E57C5241
Joseph Srotgal---------------------------------------64V-19814
Creative House Inc.---------------------------------64V-18474
Edward Bararr---------------------------------------C506661
Esther Noore-----------------------------------------C111840
Robert Carter----------------------------------------VC500864
Clinton A. Raulson---------------------------------64V-19884
Kathryn Neimyer-----------------------------------C505009
Gale Rockwell--------------------------------------C506211
Everett Gillis----------------------------------------64V-16283
Helen Spears----------------------------------------63S-19707
George Stanley-------------------------------------64V-17514
Pearless Press Inc.---------------------------------64V-17205
Lester Scott-----------------------------------------64V-19767
Robert Franny--------------------------------------64S-11198
Robert Farrismgton--------------------------------C504506
A. Era------------------------------------------------64S-10899
James Keeler----------------------------------------C504951
Mel Niemer-----------------------------------------C505876
Robert Keneski-------------------------------------RQA0017
Olive Mankowski----------------------------------64V-18512
Fred Tall--------------------------------------------C506339
Edward Mark--------------------------------------64V-20083
Roscoe Arnold------------------------------------C512665
Lielein B. Studebaker----------------------------C512665
A. Breis--------------------------------------------64V-16939
Michael Fischer----------------------------------RQA0024
Ray Gregg-----------------------------------------64V-10294
Helen Kuhl----------------------------------------C111392
Northwestern Motor Bus Co.-------------------RQA0032
Creative Homes Inc.-----------------------------RQA0030
Ray McMann-------------------------------------64V-11385
Janette Pomaoshera------------------------------C115866
Jacob Walter--------------------------------------C1110055
James McCarthy---------------------------------C502691
Mervin J. Heisch Jr.-----------------------------64V-13781
Joseph Barnaldo---------------------------------C512795
B&J Motors--------------------------------------RQA0044
Gene Deatheorge--------------------------------C512474
William Hoffer----------------------------------C510708
Grant Plousman---------------------------------C111911
Grisham Motors Inc.---------------------------RQA0025
Mary Gavr---------------------------------------C517589
Dr. Andrew Petras MD.------------------------C517195
Kenneth Vaogd----------------------------------C530134
Willie Swift--------------------------------------64V-16466
Ralph Heidrich----------------------------------C112537
Joseph F. Jr.-------------------------------------C533018
Frank Pries--------------------------------------C517086
Robert Newman--------------------------------C520632

(If your name or someone you know is on this list and the name is spelled wrong, I apologize. The handwriting in the main book is not the best...)

Chris_Dresbach
11-05-2010, 04:15 PM
The title is wrong!!! The list is only for 1965 cars, not 1956!!!

Bill Pressler
11-05-2010, 04:21 PM
The title is wrong!!! The list is only for 1965 cars, not 1956!!!

Chris, thanks for doing this. I love stuff like this. Takes one right back!

Looks like C512665 is listed twice in a row, though...Lielein (Lillian?) B. Studebaker and Mr. Arnold, above.

kurtruk
11-05-2010, 04:30 PM
You can edit the Thread Title.

Also, the vehicle number for Jacob Walter seems to have an extra number in it.

Also, Thomas W. Hansen and Howard Helvey have the same vehicle number.

We appreciate you doing this, but if the data is going to be useful, it MUST be accurate!

Those are what I found in just a quick scan.

studegary
11-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Thanks, Chris. Interesting information. I see a lot of 1963 and 1964 cars still being sold new in 1965. There are some Avantis. There seems to be a high percentage of V8 cars.

gearhead49
11-05-2010, 06:04 PM
I believe Brook Motors was a Studebaker dealer in Mishawaka on Mc Kinnley Hwy.
Dealer trade??????????

Bill Pressler
11-05-2010, 06:13 PM
There are several dealer trades in that list. When I was at the SNM archives a few years back looking at my local dealer's sales info, he'd fill out the same type card for a dealer trade as he would a retail sale.

Interesting that one of the sales listed by Chris is for Andrew Petras, M.D. Andy Petras works at SI in South Bend! Maybe his son or grandson.

Chris_Dresbach
11-05-2010, 06:23 PM
There are several dealer trades in that list. When I was at the SNM archives a few years back looking at my local dealer's sales info, he'd fill out the same type card for a dealer trade as he would a retail sale.

Interesting that one of the sales listed by Chris is for Andrew Petras, M.D. Andy Petras works at SI in South Bend! Maybe his son or grandson.

I was wondering if anybody would notice Dr. Petras. I'm pretty sure it's a relation, but defionately not the one that works at SI. (R2Andy on the forum)

StudeRich
11-05-2010, 09:31 PM
Chris; I don't think you mean '65 cars, I think you mean cars that were sold in 1965!

There are lots of '63's and '64's there that must have been delivered at N&A, but from the Studebaker Corp. surplus (leftover) lot, IF they were sold in '65.

I also noted that Mr. Pratt and Mr. Frederisk bought consecutive Serial numbered '64 V-8 cars, 64V16308 & 64V16309!

Welcome
11-05-2010, 10:52 PM
>>>Interesting that one of the sales listed by Chris is for Andrew Petras, M.D. Andy Petras works at SI in South Bend! Maybe his son or grandson.


I was wondering if anybody would notice Dr. Petras. I'm pretty sure it's a relation, but defionately not the one that works at SI. (R2Andy on the forum)

Chris, first thanks so much for taking the time to share all that info with us!:cool:

Second, even having lived in South Bend all my life, there was only one name on the entire list I recognized.

It was the name of the very first person to "greet me" when I entered this world!!!

65 years and 3 days ago today in South Bend's St. Joseph Hospital, Dr. Andrew Petrass delivered me ...with the able body help of my mother, of course!;)

White Hawk
11-05-2010, 11:14 PM
Dr. Andrew Petras lived on Indiana SR 23, about a mile south of the city limits. He also delivered me at St Joseph"s Hospital on 11/18/1943. At one time he owned a Studebaker Hawk, perhaps a 1958 or 59.

Chris_Dresbach
11-06-2010, 10:34 AM
Looks like you guys were bound to be Studebaker guys from the beginning!!

Welcome
11-06-2010, 11:40 AM
Dr. Andrew Petras lived on Indiana SR 23, about a mile south of the city limits. He also delivered me at St Joseph"s Hospital on 11/18/1943. At one time he owned a Studebaker Hawk, perhaps a 1958 or 59.

“White Hawk” this is all very interesting ...at least to the wife & me!!!:) The Dr. that delivered me spelled his name the good old Hungarian way ...PETRASS ...but I'm sure we are talking about the same Doc.;)

In 1965 my then girlfriend (now wife of 43+ years) totaled her '57 White Silver Hawk. She then bought a White '59 Hawk from a place at the corner of SR 23 (Prairie Ave.) and Indiana Ave. …about a mile towards town from where Dr. Petrass lived. What do you suppose the chances are …????

"R2Andy" ...can you add any "insider" info to this story???

"Chris_Dresbach" ...does your N&A books indicate what (if anything) Dr. Petrass traded-in?

Da Tinman
11-06-2010, 12:21 PM
If that turns out to be true it would almost be creepy.....

Chris_Dresbach
11-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Well, I just looked in the N&A book. There is no info on what Dr. Petrass traded in. All it really says is the date he bought the car, serial number, price, and general stuff for the dealership like item stock numbers.

Welcome
11-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Well, I just looked in the N&A book. There is no info on what Dr. Petrass traded in. All it really says is the date he bought the car, serial number, price, and general stuff for the dealership like item stock numbers.

Thanks for checking!

I'd still like to run my fingers down the pages of those N&A books.

I've been doing more "Stude-cleaning" and have some Stude photos & plant layout drawnings for you ...if interested and have the room for them.:eek: PM me with what evenings you are available next week so we can do the exchange.

sasquatch
11-07-2010, 10:56 AM
Interesting to see a woman with the same name as my mother bought C111392. What type of Studebaker was that? The last Studebaker my folks bought was a 1959 Lark VI. Thanks for posting Chris.

StudeRich
11-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Interesting to see a woman with the same name as my mother bought C111392. What type of Studebaker was that?/Cut/

A 1965 6 Cyl. Commander, Daytona, or Cruiser. or Wagonaire.

Edit, Opps, NOT Wagonaire, they were their own Model in '66 only, in '65 a Wagonaire would be called a Commander or Daytona.

Chris_Dresbach
11-08-2010, 02:26 PM
Jim, I will be able to meet with you this Thursday. Ill message you with directions.