View Full Version : "Sleeper" '50 Champion

09-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Yesterday morning one of our Potomac Chapter members, Murray Welsh showed up in his '50 Champion. Nothing unusual about that because he is good at participating. He has always had a little trouble keeping up with the newer cars and his engine has smoked some. Yesterday though, he opened the hood for us- brand new crate 185 engine, dual carbs, finned head and headers with a stacked dual exhaust.
A year or so back he had the brakes converted to five-lug late finned drums.

09-05-2010, 09:06 PM
Thats a REALLY good-looking engine! Nice battery hold-down, too.

09-05-2010, 09:09 PM
Nice! Did he get it from Cathcart?

09-05-2010, 10:56 PM
Wow!!!!!!!!! What a beaut!!

09-05-2010, 11:32 PM
Okay! You have sparked my interest. I would like to know more about Studebaker motors?? Never thought I would consider using a Stude motor in any of my Studebakers.....But, now I am ready to learn more. There must be an attraction?? What kind of power can you get out of what? Come on you diehard Stude guys, Convince me!
Good Roads

09-06-2010, 08:04 AM
That's what I want to do with my 57 overdrive 4 door sedan; have a nice little unassuming all original looking sleeper that even if it won't spin the tires in all gears, can keep up with modern traffic and climb hills without prayers being muttered. Even add A/C without bring the car to a dead stop when you turn it on. Woody--with all the changes mentioned, an 80 hp 1950 Champion 6 can be replaced with an about 125-140 hp 185 (stock 101 hp). The relief work inside, larger carbs, and dual exhaust work all adds up to a six that would be more powerful than the 51-53 232 V8 (120 hp) in stock form, and might even surpass the 54 232 (127hp).

I might add I like six cylinders a lot. My Jeep has the 4.0L in line six, I am a big fan of Corvairs (had 5, some with dual exhausts and multi carb per side setups), and I have 3 flathead sixes, 2 Studes and a Kaiser, in my current stable. In fact, I never owned a V8 in my entire life until I bought my former 60 Hawk back about 10 years ago.

09-06-2010, 08:34 AM
VERRY NICE setup.Wonder if it came from Cathcart and where did he source the crate engine? This would look great in an early Lark too!

09-06-2010, 08:57 AM
Stude V-8 engines are very well built, ie forged cranks, cam gears instead of chains. rocker shafts and adjustable rockers, good cast iron, your limit is cubic inches. 224 thru 304 Very dependable. Not the fastest engine but these are great driving dependable engines. I drive mine daily and have been out of state many times. but for now i'm stuck at home with my bed ridden mom, hope to get back on the road soon. I've drag raced Chevrolet 283, 327, 350 & 400, Buick,nail head 264, 322 374 401 and a 455 and Oldsmobile 303,324 371 394 engines. so i've been around the block a few times.

09-06-2010, 09:25 AM
Nice! Did he get it from Cathcart?
I asked the same question and the answer was no. He took the car to a man in the Boston area who specializes in Studebakers (not Dave Thiebold). They even have to be Studebaker powered to get in his shop. The man there had all the Studebaker items including the crate 185. I'll try to find out who it was. The stacked dual exhausts system was farmed out to a local shop.

Chris Pile
09-06-2010, 09:30 AM
I'd really like to have a Silver Hawk with a Champion motor like that!

09-06-2010, 09:47 AM
Thanks Paul.That would be great to know. I'd almost prefer it to a V8 as it's something that you don't see every day. In a light little two door post 59-60,I'm sure it would perform well.
I wonder what the horsepower might be from a 185 done this way??

09-06-2010, 09:48 AM
Boy, that's one beautiful looking engine. I'd love to have one like that in my Lark. I bet it goes a lot quicker than my 90 hp six. I'm not complaining, but I'm sure I'd love that engine.