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JimC
04-06-2007, 10:33 PM
Okay, most regulars have heard my story (or seen it at YouTube) about my Grandpa's Lark, which sat in a field for over a decade and a half before I finally was able to tow it home to start this restoration.

Anyway, when we picked up the car, the inside absolutely stank of mouse nests and dead rodent, but such is life when picking up a car out of a field.

We get the car home, and I pull out all the interior, including the seats, which the mice had totally turned into their own personal nesting grounds. We sucked their nests and remains out of the doors and rear panels. In my mind I had removed every possible source of mouse in the car. And it definitely helped. The smell went almost totally away.

But it didn't go away completely, and this left my intrigued. I started poking around, and I noticed under the dash, there was a very small hole in the heat ducting, with some material hanging out of it. So on a hunch, I put a battery on the car and turn the heat fan on. Not suprisingly, the fan doesn't budge.

So I go under the hood, take the duct off from between the heat exchange and the squirrel cage inside, and sure enough, there it is. Another mouse nest, inside the interior portion of my heater assembly.

And at this point, I'm thinking to myself, with all the other spaces in the car to build a nest, why pick this one, virtually inaccesable space if not simply to torment me?

MICE! AUGH!

Ah, that's MUCH better! :D

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Restoring my grandfather's '60 Lark, one rusted bolt at a time.

Maple Lake, Minnesota

gordr
04-06-2007, 11:03 PM
Other favorite mouse habitats: behind the headliner (look for holes), in the muffler, and in the bellhousing on standard shift cars. Also in the air cleaner housing.

Mice are evil, no doubt about it.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
04-06-2007, 11:03 PM
Other favorite mouse habitats: behind the headliner (look for holes), in the muffler, and in the bellhousing on standard shift cars. Also in the air cleaner housing.

Mice are evil, no doubt about it.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

pitbulllady
04-06-2007, 11:21 PM
Now maybe you can understand why I love SNAKES so much! Not only do snakes not damage cars, but they will happily eat any car-damaging rodents that do.

On a related note, last year, I talked to an old lady who sold her well-maintained, daily-driver '55 President for the first $300.00(no, I didn't forget a zero)to come along because she found mouse "pills" in the trunk, and she has such a severe phobia of mice and rats that she couldn't bear to even go near the car again! Naturally, I missed out on that opportunity by two days.

pitbulllady

pitbulllady
04-06-2007, 11:21 PM
Now maybe you can understand why I love SNAKES so much! Not only do snakes not damage cars, but they will happily eat any car-damaging rodents that do.

On a related note, last year, I talked to an old lady who sold her well-maintained, daily-driver '55 President for the first $300.00(no, I didn't forget a zero)to come along because she found mouse "pills" in the trunk, and she has such a severe phobia of mice and rats that she couldn't bear to even go near the car again! Naturally, I missed out on that opportunity by two days.

pitbulllady

PlainBrownR2
04-06-2007, 11:56 PM
For the pickup fans, and theres many of you out there so chime on in: Under the bench seats, and the ventilation area under the front wheel wells

When I got my 50 2r5, I had a mouse home under my seat(follow the smell) and in that little area in the wheel well or fender where the large heating duct connects to the heater(reach in for a suprise)

I should also note that if you don't remove em, when you get em home other small four footed gray residents will move back in, or they never left(must be the smell). Thank the good man for our cat and traps. LOL

PlainBrownR2
04-06-2007, 11:56 PM
For the pickup fans, and theres many of you out there so chime on in: Under the bench seats, and the ventilation area under the front wheel wells

When I got my 50 2r5, I had a mouse home under my seat(follow the smell) and in that little area in the wheel well or fender where the large heating duct connects to the heater(reach in for a suprise)

I should also note that if you don't remove em, when you get em home other small four footed gray residents will move back in, or they never left(must be the smell). Thank the good man for our cat and traps. LOL

Randy_G
04-07-2007, 07:38 AM
Jim, hopefully they didn't take to eating the cars wiring. That would be a mess in itself.

Randy_G

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Randy_G
04-07-2007, 07:38 AM
Jim, hopefully they didn't take to eating the cars wiring. That would be a mess in itself.

Randy_G

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1961HAWK
04-07-2007, 07:39 AM
Hey jim,
when i was working on my hawk the motor was stuck. it was stuck because a mouse had got into the number4 cylinder and built a nest. he had come though the exhaust past an open exhaust valve, how a mouse gets past an exhaust valve is beyond me and then dropped down in a cylinder that was about halfway though its exhaust stroke. thats was the only stuck cylinder. it had acorn fragments and a huge nest. the pee had rusted the rings to the wall badly. i took the block to the machine shop to have it checked and see how much i would have to bore it out. and i couldnt believe it when they cleaned it up. no pitting standard bore was fine. i used the piston the mice had sat on for years. i also had some in what was left of my headliner, yeah!!

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

1961HAWK
04-07-2007, 07:39 AM
Hey jim,
when i was working on my hawk the motor was stuck. it was stuck because a mouse had got into the number4 cylinder and built a nest. he had come though the exhaust past an open exhaust valve, how a mouse gets past an exhaust valve is beyond me and then dropped down in a cylinder that was about halfway though its exhaust stroke. thats was the only stuck cylinder. it had acorn fragments and a huge nest. the pee had rusted the rings to the wall badly. i took the block to the machine shop to have it checked and see how much i would have to bore it out. and i couldnt believe it when they cleaned it up. no pitting standard bore was fine. i used the piston the mice had sat on for years. i also had some in what was left of my headliner, yeah!!

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

avantilover
04-07-2007, 08:13 AM
The funniest related story I recall on the forum was the owner whose car muffler had been used as a storage area by Squirrels and of course the Acorns came flying out upon startup.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
04-07-2007, 08:13 AM
The funniest related story I recall on the forum was the owner whose car muffler had been used as a storage area by Squirrels and of course the Acorns came flying out upon startup.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

Blue 15G
04-07-2007, 08:20 AM
I love your story about the mouse getting all the way into the #4 cylinder. You get the prize for the best mouse nest story!

As for how the mouse did it, I seem to recall reading somewhere that a mouse can squeeze through a space as small as a quarter of an inch if they're really determined.

When I replaced the carpet in my '54 last summer, I found a tiny mouse skeleton under the back seat. It was there for so many decades that there was no odor. No fur, no nothing. Just the little skeleton.

Blue 15G
04-07-2007, 08:20 AM
I love your story about the mouse getting all the way into the #4 cylinder. You get the prize for the best mouse nest story!

As for how the mouse did it, I seem to recall reading somewhere that a mouse can squeeze through a space as small as a quarter of an inch if they're really determined.

When I replaced the carpet in my '54 last summer, I found a tiny mouse skeleton under the back seat. It was there for so many decades that there was no odor. No fur, no nothing. Just the little skeleton.

8E45E
04-07-2007, 08:28 AM
MICE! AUGH!

Ah, that's MUCH better! :D

I just hope you were careful while disposing of all the nests, mice droppings, etc. They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease. I would recommend rubber gloves, a pair of old clothes that you don't mind throwing away after the job.

Craig

8E45E
04-07-2007, 08:28 AM
MICE! AUGH!

Ah, that's MUCH better! :D

I just hope you were careful while disposing of all the nests, mice droppings, etc. They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease. I would recommend rubber gloves, a pair of old clothes that you don't mind throwing away after the job.

Craig

oltrknut
04-07-2007, 09:52 AM
THis really works.. Get PURE pepermint oil, no substitutes, put a couple drops on cotton ball one under the front seat,backseat, and in the trunck, I have not had a mouse in a car since, also the smell isnot bad, refresh monthly. I also mix a water and pepermint oil and spray the shop perimeter, and they stay out.

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oltrknut
04-07-2007, 09:52 AM
THis really works.. Get PURE pepermint oil, no substitutes, put a couple drops on cotton ball one under the front seat,backseat, and in the trunck, I have not had a mouse in a car since, also the smell isnot bad, refresh monthly. I also mix a water and pepermint oil and spray the shop perimeter, and they stay out.

http://i162.photobucket

John Kirchhoff
04-07-2007, 11:01 AM
As a nature lover, vegan and PETA member (yeah sure, as if!), I believe a more natural approach could be used to get rid or our furry little friends rather than using more drastic measures such as poison. Just think what the 75-100 offspring are thinking when they see their mother kicking her hind feet as she lay dying from internal hemmoraging after eating a D-Con entree. And as far as using peppermint oil, think of all the innocent little peppermint plants that are squeezed to death for their precious juices. Here's my suggestion, if you have mice in the car, throw a couple of cats in it and lock the door for two days. The implied threat and odor the cats deposit on the seats and carpet will force the mouses to seek refuge elsewhere. To get the cats out, shove a couple of dogs in the car for two more days, preferably basset or blood hounds because they stink even after being scrubbed with diesel fuel and a wire brush. On day five and six, stuff a burro or llama into the car because they hate dogs. Since the above hound dog breeds have plenty of loose skin they seldom use, they won't be severly injured when the burro grabs them by the back and slings them around or the llama paws the tar out of them. Whether you use a burro or llama is strictly up to you, burros poop a lot more but llamas have a bad habit of spitting green cud onto everything and everyone when angered or threatened. On day seven, set a bale of good green alfalfa hay approximately 10 feet from the passenger side of the car, open the door so the burro or llama can exit without getting hung up in the steeering wheel and there you go, no more mouse stink!

John Kirchhoff
04-07-2007, 11:01 AM
As a nature lover, vegan and PETA member (yeah sure, as if!), I believe a more natural approach could be used to get rid or our furry little friends rather than using more drastic measures such as poison. Just think what the 75-100 offspring are thinking when they see their mother kicking her hind feet as she lay dying from internal hemmoraging after eating a D-Con entree. And as far as using peppermint oil, think of all the innocent little peppermint plants that are squeezed to death for their precious juices. Here's my suggestion, if you have mice in the car, throw a couple of cats in it and lock the door for two days. The implied threat and odor the cats deposit on the seats and carpet will force the mouses to seek refuge elsewhere. To get the cats out, shove a couple of dogs in the car for two more days, preferably basset or blood hounds because they stink even after being scrubbed with diesel fuel and a wire brush. On day five and six, stuff a burro or llama into the car because they hate dogs. Since the above hound dog breeds have plenty of loose skin they seldom use, they won't be severly injured when the burro grabs them by the back and slings them around or the llama paws the tar out of them. Whether you use a burro or llama is strictly up to you, burros poop a lot more but llamas have a bad habit of spitting green cud onto everything and everyone when angered or threatened. On day seven, set a bale of good green alfalfa hay approximately 10 feet from the passenger side of the car, open the door so the burro or llama can exit without getting hung up in the steeering wheel and there you go, no more mouse stink!

60Lark
04-07-2007, 11:16 AM
John, I am absolutely positive that your solution is effective ;), but I think I will stick with the pepperment oil or fabric softener sheets. [^]

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Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

60Lark
04-07-2007, 11:16 AM
John, I am absolutely positive that your solution is effective ;), but I think I will stick with the pepperment oil or fabric softener sheets. [^]

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Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

raprice
04-07-2007, 11:54 AM
Boy, it's amazing how resourceful mice are.
I worry every winter about my Lark and if those pesky mice will attack my car. I have it stored in a Coverit. I do place moth balls all around the interior of the car and also in the engine compartment and the exhaust pipe. So far, so good.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
04-07-2007, 11:54 AM
Boy, it's amazing how resourceful mice are.
I worry every winter about my Lark and if those pesky mice will attack my car. I have it stored in a Coverit. I do place moth balls all around the interior of the car and also in the engine compartment and the exhaust pipe. So far, so good.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

sntsftbll
04-07-2007, 02:30 PM
I think John wrote a song about an old lady who swallowed a fly, I don't know why she swallowed a fly....
Now I can tell my kids I know where that song came from, of course it will be stuck in my head for days

sntsftbll
04-07-2007, 02:30 PM
I think John wrote a song about an old lady who swallowed a fly, I don't know why she swallowed a fly....
Now I can tell my kids I know where that song came from, of course it will be stuck in my head for days

Guido
04-07-2007, 04:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease.
Craig,

I totally agree. I was offered a 1955 E-28 grain truck in PA and when I opened the door there was literally 4 inches of mouse droppings and old kernels of corn on the floor. I was in fear of dying for days.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
04-07-2007, 04:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease.
Craig,

I totally agree. I was offered a 1955 E-28 grain truck in PA and when I opened the door there was literally 4 inches of mouse droppings and old kernels of corn on the floor. I was in fear of dying for days.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

DEEPNHOCK
04-07-2007, 05:11 PM
Yes!
And since mice are basically incontinent (they dribble pee all the time),
they leave their scent trail for themselves, and their kin, and their kind.
The peppermint oil, mothballs, softener sheets...
They are all designed to break the scent trail (or fool the sense of smell).
A good wash with soap and water will also do the same.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
I just hope you were careful while disposing of all the nests, mice droppings, etc. They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease. I would recommend rubber gloves, a pair of old clothes that you don't mind throwing away after the job.
Craig

DEEPNHOCK
04-07-2007, 05:11 PM
Yes!
And since mice are basically incontinent (they dribble pee all the time),
they leave their scent trail for themselves, and their kin, and their kind.
The peppermint oil, mothballs, softener sheets...
They are all designed to break the scent trail (or fool the sense of smell).
A good wash with soap and water will also do the same.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
I just hope you were careful while disposing of all the nests, mice droppings, etc. They are known disease carriers, and with deer mice, the droppings are known to carry the hantavirus disease. I would recommend rubber gloves, a pair of old clothes that you don't mind throwing away after the job.
Craig

jjones
04-07-2007, 05:16 PM
What you'all need is a southern Arizona pack rat experience. Those critters eat wiring, hoses, insulation, carpet, upholstery, plastic knobs, and (I suspect) cats, dogs, burros, and llamas if locked in a car with them. Many years ago my granddad told me the only way to keep them away from stored cars is to pee around the car. Go ahead and laugh, but it does seem to work, and also gives one an excuse to drink beer.

jj

jjones
04-07-2007, 05:16 PM
What you'all need is a southern Arizona pack rat experience. Those critters eat wiring, hoses, insulation, carpet, upholstery, plastic knobs, and (I suspect) cats, dogs, burros, and llamas if locked in a car with them. Many years ago my granddad told me the only way to keep them away from stored cars is to pee around the car. Go ahead and laugh, but it does seem to work, and also gives one an excuse to drink beer.

jj