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Dick Steinkamp
03-30-2007, 02:10 PM
The Oct '92 TW issue on GT Hawks raises the question about body color or flat black on the hood, behind the grill.

The June '93 issue resolves this.

It looks like ALL (62-64) GT Hawks had the hood area behind the grill painted flat black (like the area behind the lower air scoop). The area to be painted is pictured from an original '63.

I did mine today...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/440026804_9665c020ca.jpg

masked and scuffed



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/440026820_e4db658f9d.jpg

painted (that hood prop rod is Stude PN 1582764 ;)



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/440026828_8c6e0f61a5.jpg

The biggest impact seems to be the lower part. It doesn't stand out like a sore thumb now with the hood closed.

So, like the hood locking mechanism (paint vs leave natural), I'm going by the DOCUMENTED method in TW. I know someone will have seen an original painted body color, but if this car is ever shown by a future owner (certainly not by me :)), I'd like them to have something besides anecdotal evidence of these type of things. If judges ever do start discussing authenticity deductions with the owner, showing TW documentation should save the points. Anecdotes probably won't.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JDP
03-30-2007, 02:36 PM
I've never seen a latch painted in any fashion, nor have I ever had a deduction for a unpainted one.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
03-30-2007, 02:36 PM
I've never seen a latch painted in any fashion, nor have I ever had a deduction for a unpainted one.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

R2GTHAWK
03-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Dick,
Thanks for posting those pictures. That is exactly the
information I need to paint my hood. Your Hawk is awesome!!
Terry Stinehelfer
Bucyrus, OH

R2GTHAWK
03-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Dick,
Thanks for posting those pictures. That is exactly the
information I need to paint my hood. Your Hawk is awesome!!
Terry Stinehelfer
Bucyrus, OH

Swifster
03-30-2007, 07:25 PM
Were these sections actually painted, or just masked off during the paint process. I would think that those parts had a black e-coat and that painting and masking would have made more sense. Or am I just being anal over process [8]?

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

Swifster
03-30-2007, 07:25 PM
Were these sections actually painted, or just masked off during the paint process. I would think that those parts had a black e-coat and that painting and masking would have made more sense. Or am I just being anal over process [8]?

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

GTtim
03-30-2007, 07:39 PM
Maybe someone can respond here on the forum for the record, I thought the '62 GT's were body color behind the grill. Are we saying that all GT's had black behind the grill?

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

GTtim
03-30-2007, 07:39 PM
Maybe someone can respond here on the forum for the record, I thought the '62 GT's were body color behind the grill. Are we saying that all GT's had black behind the grill?

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

JDP
03-30-2007, 08:06 PM
GT Hawks are painted simi-gloss black behind the grill except on black cars.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
03-30-2007, 08:06 PM
GT Hawks are painted simi-gloss black behind the grill except on black cars.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

Dick Steinkamp
03-30-2007, 08:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by GTtim

Maybe someone can respond here on the forum for the record,


In that article in the June '93 TW page 16 Fred Fox says...

"Several more members have written in about the paint color used behind the center grille of GT Hawks. All agree that all 1963 and 1964 GT Hawks were painted flat black behind the center grille. For 1962s, we have conflicting reports. Possibly on 62's the early ones were painted body color and the later ones flat black."

What follows are several letters and a picture of a supposedly original '62 with the flat black behind the grille.

One writer says that every '62 he has seen had the flat black behind the grill. Another says "all factory painted cars (62's) I've seen have had BODY color behind the grille".

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-30-2007, 08:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by GTtim

Maybe someone can respond here on the forum for the record,


In that article in the June '93 TW page 16 Fred Fox says...

"Several more members have written in about the paint color used behind the center grille of GT Hawks. All agree that all 1963 and 1964 GT Hawks were painted flat black behind the center grille. For 1962s, we have conflicting reports. Possibly on 62's the early ones were painted body color and the later ones flat black."

What follows are several letters and a picture of a supposedly original '62 with the flat black behind the grille.

One writer says that every '62 he has seen had the flat black behind the grill. Another says "all factory painted cars (62's) I've seen have had BODY color behind the grille".

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

gordr
03-30-2007, 09:21 PM
Dick, I'm just in the process of setting up my bead-blasting cabinet. I could take the hood latch off my GT, bead-blast it, and then swap you for the one in your car when I come down for the Portland swap, if you'd care to have a "shiny" one. A little gold VHT wheel center paint on the bead-blasted metal should make it look like gold-iridite cad plating.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
03-30-2007, 09:21 PM
Dick, I'm just in the process of setting up my bead-blasting cabinet. I could take the hood latch off my GT, bead-blast it, and then swap you for the one in your car when I come down for the Portland swap, if you'd care to have a "shiny" one. A little gold VHT wheel center paint on the bead-blasted metal should make it look like gold-iridite cad plating.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

JDP
03-30-2007, 09:39 PM
Eastwood sells a "cad" paint, looks nice.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
03-30-2007, 09:39 PM
Eastwood sells a "cad" paint, looks nice.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

Dick Steinkamp
03-30-2007, 09:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Dick, I'm just in the process of setting up my bead-blasting cabinet. I could take the hood latch off my GT, bead-blast it, and then swap you for the one in your car when I come down for the Portland swap, if you'd care to have a "shiny" one. A little gold VHT wheel center paint on the bead-blasted metal should make it look like gold-iridite cad plating.


Thanks, Gord, but I'll just clean mine up if it bugs me too much.

Speaking of Gold iridite cad plating...when I did my Starliner, I took a whole box of parts (lower hood latch, safety catch, hood latch spring and pin, hood hinges, underbody brackets, etc)and specialized fastners that were visible when installed, down to the platers and had them gold iridate cad plated. It gives a nice OEM sort of look, protects them from rust and cost about $60 for the whole shooting match.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-30-2007, 09:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Dick, I'm just in the process of setting up my bead-blasting cabinet. I could take the hood latch off my GT, bead-blast it, and then swap you for the one in your car when I come down for the Portland swap, if you'd care to have a "shiny" one. A little gold VHT wheel center paint on the bead-blasted metal should make it look like gold-iridite cad plating.


Thanks, Gord, but I'll just clean mine up if it bugs me too much.

Speaking of Gold iridite cad plating...when I did my Starliner, I took a whole box of parts (lower hood latch, safety catch, hood latch spring and pin, hood hinges, underbody brackets, etc)and specialized fastners that were visible when installed, down to the platers and had them gold iridate cad plated. It gives a nice OEM sort of look, protects them from rust and cost about $60 for the whole shooting match.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Scott
03-31-2007, 08:06 AM
I'm glad you took the time to paint that area, Dick. Too many people just ignore it and leave it body color back there. But how can anyone ignore it? It looks like (*&% if you don't make it black. It drives me nuts when I see that area non-black.

Scott
03-31-2007, 08:06 AM
I'm glad you took the time to paint that area, Dick. Too many people just ignore it and leave it body color back there. But how can anyone ignore it? It looks like (*&% if you don't make it black. It drives me nuts when I see that area non-black.

Dick Steinkamp
03-31-2007, 08:23 AM
When you've got 300 hours into a paint job, another 45 minutes doesn't seem like much extra time :).

BTW, it was Terry Stinehelfer that alerted me to the need for this. Thanks, Terry.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-31-2007, 08:23 AM
When you've got 300 hours into a paint job, another 45 minutes doesn't seem like much extra time :).

BTW, it was Terry Stinehelfer that alerted me to the need for this. Thanks, Terry.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Jeff_H
03-31-2007, 09:50 AM
Curiosity question on this topic....

Did Studebaker spray paint this black area on GT's or was it possibly brushed?? Reason I ask is when I dismantled my '53 hardtop, I found that the flat area behind the grill bars that is part of the fender/apron had been brush painted black over the light green body color. It makes sense that it was blacked out since it would be visible if a person looked directly into the grill. My car was "junked" in '61 and I never found any evidence of a repaint or other custom mods on it elsewhere so I assumed the brush job was factory.... I used to have a '63 lark 4dr parts car out back and the one remaining front fender had black brushed-on paint on the front behind the headlights. In both cases the brush job was pretty slapped on.



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
03-31-2007, 09:50 AM
Curiosity question on this topic....

Did Studebaker spray paint this black area on GT's or was it possibly brushed?? Reason I ask is when I dismantled my '53 hardtop, I found that the flat area behind the grill bars that is part of the fender/apron had been brush painted black over the light green body color. It makes sense that it was blacked out since it would be visible if a person looked directly into the grill. My car was "junked" in '61 and I never found any evidence of a repaint or other custom mods on it elsewhere so I assumed the brush job was factory.... I used to have a '63 lark 4dr parts car out back and the one remaining front fender had black brushed-on paint on the front behind the headlights. In both cases the brush job was pretty slapped on.



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

lstude
04-14-2007, 06:56 AM
There is a Hawk hood on eBay now that looks like it might have the original paint and black around the grille.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hawk-Hood-1961-1962-no-bent-corners_W0QQitemZ300101578069QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10076QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/StudebakerHawkhood.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
04-14-2007, 06:56 AM
There is a Hawk hood on eBay now that looks like it might have the original paint and black around the grille.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hawk-Hood-1961-1962-no-bent-corners_W0QQitemZ300101578069QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10076QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/StudebakerHawkhood.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

Andy R.
11-12-2007, 12:39 AM
THANK YOU for this. My later production# '62 'survivor' has the blackout behind the grill, though my earlier one (not original paint) didn't. It got the treatment anyway, since it looks better.

I figure Brooks Stevens was trying to make the GT distinctly different from the '61 and a shot of black paint behind the new grill shell was a quick and easy way to further disguise the same hood panel.



"Obsolete" is a highly subjective term.

Andy R.
11-12-2007, 12:39 AM
THANK YOU for this. My later production# '62 'survivor' has the blackout behind the grill, though my earlier one (not original paint) didn't. It got the treatment anyway, since it looks better.

I figure Brooks Stevens was trying to make the GT distinctly different from the '61 and a shot of black paint behind the new grill shell was a quick and easy way to further disguise the same hood panel.



"Obsolete" is a highly subjective term.