What is this 63 R1 4 speed sedan worth?

[tstclr]

The owner sent photos. It looks like she needs a lot of work. What would be fair market value for this car? I'd love to own one but it may need mucho $ to restore:





Judging by the photos, I am a little afraid about the underneath. I realize these cars don't grow on trees however. I'd really like a factory R1 or R2 4 speed car. Should I hold out for a rust free one?
Thanks
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[JDP]

About $500-$750 for the parts value since it does not appear to be a R1.


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[mbstude]

Wow, what a dash...

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[Guido]

I concur with JDP. No evidence of the badges on the fenders and the engine has none of the Avanti dress up items.

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[mbstude]

Can you say 'sleeper'? Yeah. looks like it's been asleep for a while.

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[bonehead007]

He should be paying you to take it...

[monomaniac]

Definitely wait for one with less rust.

[N8N]

worth saving the dash pad though. looks surprisingly decent considering the way the rest of the car looks.

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[StudeRich]

tstclr -Todd; I would get him to give you the engine number from the machined pad to the drivers side of the oil filler pipe block-off plate with the STAMPED in number. If he say's it says Vxxx or Pxxx forget it, if it is JTxxx or JTSxxx the engine is worth the 500-800.00, the car $0 ! I do think it could be a JT, I saved & enlarged the pic (poor quality) and it looks to me like a RH chrome valve cover & a LH replacement stock yellow one. That could be the remains of a "dress-up" kit on a stock 259/289, but more likely a R1(JT) because the other clue is what looks like a R1 coil resister on the coil! and possibly twin adjusting arm "humps" and HD cooling blades on a 40 amp Avanti HD Alternator. Good luck- Rich.

quote:Originally posted by tstclr

The owner sent photos. It looks like she needs a lot of work. What would be fair market value for this car? I'd love to own one but it may need mucho $ to restore:

StudeRich
Ferndale, WA

[JDP]

I can't see the pan breather, but it does have the 40 amp alternator. If it's a R1, might be worth $1000 or so for parts.

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[tstclr]

Thanks guys. I have requested engine numbers and the whereabouts of the R1 emblems etc. The guy says it's a true R1. Were there standard Larks sold with 4 speed transmissions? What else should I look for in a true R1 or R2? Say the car is legit, is it still only worth $7-800? My 63 is in better shape body wise so I could swap some of the sheetmetal. The owner is looking for $2200. I'd hate to be like the guys 30 years ago who passed on Hemicudas cuz they were selling for 4 grand.
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[mbstude]

Yes, there were plenty of Larks with 'plain' engine's with 4 speeds. Speaking of dash pads, I have one from a 63 that has one little crack right above the guages. (they all do) What's it worth? http://community.webshots.com/album/548283360eWWkXl Just know, it looks a LOT dirtier in the pics.

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South Georgia Chapter Newsletter Editor
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51 2R16 dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)(will trade for another Stude <g&gt
MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars.
Click my name and check out "Links".

[rockne10]

One way to find out!

[StudeRich]

Sure Todd, there were 289's and even quite a few 259's with 4 speed trans. ordered with or without 4 barrel carb. Dual exhausts & other "performance items".
Then there were the Avanti Powered R1/R2 Larks/Hawks and very late in the '63 production run, there were a few "package" cars with the full Avanti package of rear stabilizer bar, traction bars, HD shocks, HD springs, Tachometer, seat belts, 140 or 160 Speedo the works!

quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Thanks guys. I have requested engine numbers and the whereabouts of the R1 emblems etc. The guy says it's a true R1. Were there standard Larks sold with 4 speed transmissions? What else should I look for in a true R1 or R2? Say the car is legit, is it still only worth $7-800? My 63 is in better shape body wise so I could swap some of the sheetmetal. The owner is looking for $2200. I'd hate to be like the guys 30 years ago who passed on Hemicudas cuz they were selling for 4 grand.
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

StudeRich
Ferndale, WA

[JDP]

Early Avanti powered Larks/Hawks did not have fender emblems.

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