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54-61-62
05-28-2006, 04:03 PM
I just got this 59 2-dr ht lark in a complicated deal. I got it as a parts car, but now I'm wondering about fixing it. Has the normal midwest rust. Needs floors, rockers, etc. Trunk has no rust though.

Even though I have tinkered on alot of studes I've never done floor work, etc though I have a wire welder.

Whats your guys opinion on fixing it? worth it? I'm debating.

KF

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mbstude
05-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Personally, I think it's saveable. We've redone cars 10 times worse than that. Our 51 coupe barely had a floor at all. I like the early Lark HT's; or any Lark HT for that matter. If it was me, I'd save it.

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

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rockne10
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
I agree; this is saveable. Floor pans are available from Classic Enterprises classicent.com

Any restoration is a PITA but, if there are going to be parts cars, let them be sedans. Ten years from now we will kick ourselves for letting any of them go.

buddymander
05-28-2006, 05:40 PM
That car wouldn't be too tough to restore at all.

JDP
05-28-2006, 05:47 PM
It could be saved given enough time and money. You'll be way upside down in the car money wise, but if that is not a factor, it could be saved. Sort of like the cheap Avanti I should have shot in the head this month and it was much nicer. I'm 2K in parts and over 100 hours of labor in so far trying to build a decent driver.

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mbstude
05-28-2006, 05:56 PM
You're actually going to fix up that cheap Avanti? [:0]
Nothing more expensive than a cheap Avanti...

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
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And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

54-61-62
05-28-2006, 10:50 PM
Thanks for assuring me I haven't gone crazy thinking I can fix it. Really it wouldn't be that bad since I can get NOS rear fenders, but I would have to find some better front fenders.

If I do make it a long term project it will get upgraded to a 259 w/ 3od, sure would make it a fun car.

KF

imported_n/a
05-28-2006, 11:25 PM
There is Nothing Like A Lark.....I especially like the steering wheel the 57-58-59's Studes used. Bottom Line is, if the bottom line doesn't matter for now, go for it. I think that the old, old "economy cars" are going to gain momentum one of these days, and the interest in mega-cid muscle cars may decline, simply because even driving them around the block will cost too darn much. But, being able to drive a restored classic auto with 20+ mpg capability and decent performance to a car meet 500 miles away would make this car very attractive to enthusiasts in years to come .

JDP
05-28-2006, 11:36 PM
A lot of collectors can't afford to spend 5-10K upfront for a nice 59 HT, but are will to spend double that spread over a few yesrs on a lesser car. By the time they are done, the market may catch up with them.:) I have the luxury of buying rust free cars from out west, but I've done my share of rust belt cars when I was younger.
At my age, anything involving more then a floor patch or rocker panels replacement is a deal breaker.

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5859
05-29-2006, 04:10 AM
Packebaker, I agree with you about the stering wheels that Studebaker used in those years, I think it is one of the most attractive steering wheels Studebaker ever used, mabeye one of the most attractive wheels used by any manufacturer in the 50"s except mabeye the 58 Plymouth.

bams50
05-29-2006, 04:43 AM
John hit the nail on the head...we'd all like to just buy a #1 or #2 car in the model we'd like... but for most it's hard to shell out the kind of money it takes to do that. And if you do, it's tough for most to really be sure that the car is what's claimed, and not a hack job!

You get the benefit of knowing for sure exactly what's really been done; plus the satisfaction of accomplishment; and best of all, the satisfaction of knowing that you saved a good old car from going to the crusher, and preserved it for future car lovers!!

Go for it, and keep us updated with lots of pics!! :D



Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)

Transtar56
05-29-2006, 06:18 AM
I agree with saving it 100%. If it were a sedan in that condition-parts car. But those early Lark hardtops are cute as a button and I feel that if you keep it a few years you'll probaly be able to at least get your money back,assuming your doing the work yourself, They don't make them anymore,and there are only so many hardtops around.
I too,have restored a couple of Studebakers that were worse,my 54 Commander coupe had nothing left of the floors but the transmission tunnel,even the frame outriggers that the body mounts on at the firewall were rusted right off at the frame. I used a lot of Classic enterprises panels on that car,but when it was done there wasn't a ripple in her cream body,with black roof anywhere,the thing was beautiful!
Was it worth it? Definitly! Would I do it again, No!
But if I had your car I sure would.

jimmijim8
05-29-2006, 06:18 AM
That car needs to be saved. Not parted. There are enough parts around. Some one would be glad to save it. jimmijim8

jcarmichael
05-29-2006, 10:38 AM
You can purchase a real nice 4 door to use as a parts car for that one. I have the 259 V8, 3 speed overdrive, and totally rust free 4 door to prove it. The 4 doors just don't seem to be worth the effort to save them as I can't seem to get a bid higher than what I paid for the car before I put bunch of money into it. Good thing they make such good drivers as I am getting my value from using the car daily.

1961 Lark

Roscomacaw
05-29-2006, 10:54 AM
A hardtop anything is worth saving if at all possible.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Swifster
05-29-2006, 12:59 PM
A nice candidate for a little hot rod. [}:)]

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larkman
05-29-2006, 04:11 PM
dosent look bad! I've seen guys fix up worse cars.

I'm looking for my first stude and I'd be happy to find something like that little 59 hardtop. What would I expect to pay for something like that? I would like to find a lark as I rode in one as a kido alot.

John

mbstude
05-29-2006, 04:53 PM
We have several Lark parts cars you could fix up. :D
Where do you live?

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
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And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

JDP
05-29-2006, 05:19 PM
The upside of 4 doors is they are about all that are left that are affordable for a Studebaker guy on a budget. They are also better drivers then many of the more expensive flashy cars.
I don't buy them for resale since the shipping bill to bring them in from the west coast is too big a chunk of their resale value. As we've often said, the sedans were the bread and butter sellers when new and the bulk of sales. If you go to a show now, you'd think Hawks were the big sellers.

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62 Daytona HT
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Scott
05-29-2006, 06:11 PM
That's a cute little hardtop! I hope you save it.

JDP's advise is good, too. I'm sure he's saved his share of lesser cars, from the sound of it. Better to save it for yourself than try to make money on it in this case.

Don't go knocking the 4 door models too bad, guys! I still would hate to see a perfectly serviceable 4 door go to waste and ruin simply because it has four doors. For younger collectors with kids the 4 door models are just as convenient now as they were when they were new. And the older 1947-1952 Land Cruisers are definitely worth saving, in my opinion. It seems they were fairly luxurious.

60Lark
05-31-2006, 12:16 AM
I know that 2 doors are more in demand and have a higher resale value, but when I spotted this 60 Lark 4 door with absolutely no rust, I decided she would be my mine. She needed new paint, new interior, engine rebuild, tranny rebuild, and numerous other upgrades, plus I have added many additional unnecessary upgrades. She is mildly modified but has all of the original factory drive train. I also know that I have far more money invested than she can be sold for. But I now have what I want and have no intent or desire to even consider selling her. My wife started calling her Sweet Sue and the name has stuck. Before I started this project by some opinions this might have been a parts donor car, since the only real positive was the solid rust free body. I know it's only my opinion, but I think this is one sweet 4 door.

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Transtar56
05-31-2006, 04:47 AM
It is one sweet four door,betcha its a dandy driver too.

jimmijim8
05-31-2006, 06:52 AM
I'll take my 60 4-door regal over a 2-door HDTP any day. A 4-door Lark can be made to look luxurious or sporty. 4 doors Larks should not be thought of being used as parts cars only. There's already enough parts out there that one day there will probably not even be enough cars to put em on. Probably the case now. Have you've been to a Stude swap meet lately? Remember, the parts won't fit on an EDSEL. If you want to promote the marque, {quit turning decent cars into parts}. Perhaps, if you don't need the money for your so called complete parts car, give it away to some one who will cherish it and restore it. They don't make 'em any more. Leave the restoreable ones intact for some one who will appreciate them for what they are for years to come. Not every body can afford the pricey Studebakers. A Lark is sometimes just the ticket to get into Studeland. Even though some consider it not to be a box seat. I for one won't snub some one for showing up at a meet in a 4-door. Just Memorial Day I attended a multi make car cruise and would have loved to have a Lark 4-door park next to me. Not the case. Probably a better chance in a pile of parts showing up. Larks and even 4 door ones look good and also serve to enhance the value of all Studebakers. Some now Lark owners will possibly one day be in the market for your pricey Stude hdpt. or whatever, once you no longer are able to enjoy it. The ranks of the membership seem to be getting up in their years. Younger and older or sometimes not so financially well off and would be members should not even be given the hint or misconstrued conception of second ratedness just because of their preferences or wallet thickness. Some 25 years ago this year, on two separate occasions, my 4-door Lark transported 3 adults and 2 young children to Key West Florida with complete confidence,{ a few spare parts in the trunk} satisfaction,style and comfort, all the while gathering many unsolicited compliments from many curious onlookers. ie. {Is that a new car?{ What kind of car is that?} Bye for now. jimmijim Proud owner; {{{{1960 Lark VIII Regal 4-door}}}}, 1963 G.T.Hawk and 1965 Los Angeles G.T. Hawk prototype.

54-61-62
05-31-2006, 08:50 AM
Very true regarding the 4-dr cars - My 54 and 61 are four doors. They make nice drivers, but I refuse to restore a needy 4dr because I might as well dump money down the drain - even though I might not sell it I could never get the evaluation that reflects the amount put into the car. This the called the "JDP wisdom" I learned from him. <G> I am not in a position to restore every wayward stude that comes to me, I'd sure like to though.

I have a fencerow of marginal restoration quality Lark cars, all 4drs, have I restored any? No and I don't plan on it. If I decide to fix a 4dr I have a much higher threshold of whats fixable. In responce to the fellow looking for a lark, if you want a four door email me.

Thanks for the opinions on the 59 2dr ht. I think it will eventualy get fixed.

KF

Roscomacaw
05-31-2006, 12:07 PM
A couple of years ago, I took my teenage nephew to his first Stude meet (the '03 meet in Sacto). I figured he'd be wowed by the Avantis or the Hawks or maybe some cusstomized job. What did he go totally gaga over? A 1960 Lark 4-door!!! He's still talking about a Lark 4-door for that matter. Once he's done with college, he's gonna have one, I'm sure.;) Fact is, I've sorta had my eye out for one that I could rehab and hand him as a grad present. Gotta be a 59 or 60 tho. And dirt cheap. Non-running's fine so long as it's relatively rust-free and complete.:D

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Scott
05-31-2006, 12:28 PM
I think, Mr. Biggs, that we are seeing an evolution in the opinion of what's cool. Fred Fox did an article about Studebaker hardtops not too long ago. His informal survey showed that most people under 30 (I think) didn't know what a hardtop was, and when the difference between the hardtops and coupes was pointed out to them, the basic response seemed to be "Uh, OK, so what?"

I'm old enough to remember hardtops as a desirable model, but young enough to know that younger people are looking at old cars differently that we do. Since hardtops haven't been made in ages and most people in this country under 30 grew up with either 4 door cars or minivans, I think we shouldn't be surprised if they DO indeed like the older 4 door cars. Just the fact that it's different and interesting is enough for them. God Bless 'em I say. Sometimes I get a little tired of this 2 door hardtop or coupe worship. Times have changed.

(on the other hand, the thought of a four door Hawk gives me the shivvers!)

60Lark
05-31-2006, 01:09 PM
Transstar56 - Yes, it is a good little driver and Thanks

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studegary
05-31-2006, 03:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I think, Mr. Biggs, that we are seeing an evolution in the opinion of what's cool. Fred Fox did an article about Studebaker hardtops not too long ago. His informal survey showed that most people under 30 (I think) didn't know what a hardtop was, and when the difference between the hardtops and coupes was pointed out to them, the basic response seemed to be "Uh, OK, so what?"

I'm old enough to remember hardtops as a desirable model, but young enough to know that younger people are looking at old cars differently that we do. Since hardtops haven't been made in ages


Fred K. Fox's survey was flawed in that he used pictures of the coupes and hardtops with their windows up. If he used pictures of the cars with their windows open, more people would have noticed the difference.
Fred also said that hardtops were no longer made, so I had to give him examples.

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

imported_n/a
05-31-2006, 03:58 PM
Yes, it is possible to get carried way by conventional wisdom. I can give an example of a situation I saw 20-some years ago. A guy I knew had acquired a 55 Pontiac convertible that had sat out in the woods for 10 or 15 years. The floors and seat frames were totally gone. The windshield was broken. He bought a nice old solid, complete and running 56 Pontiac 4 door from an older person that had it garaged for years for a couple hundred bucks. He cut the 4 door up to use the floor it in the ragtop(even though it wasn't an exact fit), and used the engine and trans, and hauled what was left to the crusher. He said he didn't want any junk left lying around. Later on, he found a windshield in a junked 56 Pontiac hardtop that would've been much better suited as the donor car for the whole project. At that time, those cars weren't that scarce. I must admit that I helped wih that project. Later, to atone for my misdeed, I took two rough 55 Chevy 210 four door "parts cars" and made one nice one. What one car lacked, the other one had.

Scott
05-31-2006, 04:28 PM
You know, I like the two door models, but it's nice to hear about someone taking the time to bring a more mundane model back to life. I can't quite figure out the fascination some have with Scotsman models, but to each his own. :)

mbstude
05-31-2006, 05:21 PM
There's a ;ot of V8 only kinda people too. I think that there is nothing wrong with a 6 cylinder. My Daytona (OHV 6 with Auto) may be a little sluggish of the line, but it DEFINITELY can handle highway speeds and such. I like Scotsmans too, we have 3 59 Scptsman trucks. One runner that is soon to be mine, a future builder and a parts truck. Nuthin at all wrong with a not-so-popular Stude. After all, it IS a Studebaker.

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos