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5859
05-26-2006, 03:03 AM
There is a copper, or brown 58 Commander hardtop on ebay right now, it looks to be in good condition, I was wondering what everyone here feels that a car like that is actually worth. I don't want to use the high bid on ebay as a guide, I have found that high bids on ebay are often flukes, and you could sell the exact same thing twice and get totally differen't high bids. What I am looking for is a price that one like that should go for on the open market. And if you can't come up with an exact ammount, that's OK just looking for some guidlines and also anyone who has actually witnessed some prices on these in this condition. thanks

56H-Y6
05-26-2006, 10:07 AM
Hi
While that seems to be a particularly nice example, the demand for the '58 is only within this club and at that not a well-regarded model year even in the general membership.
I would opine that at $10K it is at the realistic limit, that the buyer better like the car alot and enjoy it, that it might be difficult to see his money investment returned in the future.
But driving such a unique and rare model is the real return on investment, the dollars notwithstanding.
Regards
Steve

Roscomacaw
05-26-2006, 10:18 AM
About 50 bucks - max.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

bonehead007
05-26-2006, 10:56 AM
If you go to www.nada.com click on consumer then, classic cars, you'll get an idea of what its approx. worth is. For this model it shows 4400 for a low end, 9300 for middle of the road & 14500 for a high end price. The copper one on Ebay is probably around the ballpark for the price. Its mostly restored so, thats half the battle won. If I had the room, I wouldn't mind putting a bid on it myself.

JDP
05-26-2006, 11:50 AM
I sold a nice 58 Commander HT on ebay for 13K last year, so 15K or so, seems high market right now.

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JDP
05-26-2006, 12:00 PM
BTW, here's a 58 President HT that just sold on ebay.
If anyone sold a car at this level on the open market,
they are tossing money out the window IMHO.
Of course I try to find cars on the open market
myself. Now and then, you find the guy that
paid 6K for his Studebaker 10 years ago, and
just wants to break even.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Studebaker-President-58-Studebaker-President-2-dr-Hardtop_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4638488477:)

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53 Coupe

5859
05-26-2006, 12:20 PM
Jdp, are you saying that a car at this level should be sold someplace like ebay to recoup max return? thanks

StudeDave57
05-26-2006, 01:17 PM
I think that's exactly what he's sayin'!!! You're bound to get better (read 'higher') prices on eBay... [:0] ;)
I have an opinion on this topic, but I won't air it here in this forum. Sorry.

[8D]

StudeDave
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
'57 Commander 2dr
'57 Champion 2dr
'58 Packard sedan
'65 Cruiser

JDP
05-26-2006, 01:32 PM
Yes, that what I'm saying, even ebay is not the best venue for the really exceptional car/truck. i.e. do you think Ed Ellis would have recieved 50K for his 4 wheel drive Studebaker truck in TW, or even ebay ? He choose the Barette Jackson auction to get that kind of money. If it was my choice, I think the 16,000 mile Avanti would have gone to Barette to get more money for the widow. BTW, I was accussed of driving down Avanti values on the Studebaker News group with that listing, and that's a first.:)

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okiebob
05-26-2006, 02:45 PM
This car has been on ebay twice before! It did not meet reserve at I believe $16,500!! OkieBob

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Guido
05-26-2006, 05:59 PM
This is now the third listing on e-bay for this car. If I recall, I saw it listed on the Collector Car website with a price of $17,500.

Guido

1946 M-16 fire truck
1949 2R16A grain truck
1949 2R17A fire truck
1955 E-38 grain truck
1957 3E-40 flatbed
1961 6E-28 grain truck
1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck
1962 Champ pickup
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1964 Avanti R2 4 speed
1964 Cruiser

Guido
05-26-2006, 07:45 PM
Matthew,

While I was on a trip to Hawaii several weeks ago, my wife invested in a new computer. My picture files were not transferred, but I do have a copy at my office. It has a little over 5600 miles and is in good shape.

Gary

Guido

1946 M-16 fire truck
1949 2R16A grain truck
1949 2R17A fire truck
1955 E-38 grain truck
1957 3E-40 flatbed
1961 6E-28 grain truck
1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck
1962 Champ pickup
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1964 Avanti R2 4 speed
1964 Cruiser

Studedude1961
05-27-2006, 11:53 AM
Even though these 1958 hardtops are rarer than hen's teeth the old adage of "what was popular then will be popular now" still holds and popularity = big bucks. For a committed Studebaker collector like most of us are though, the 1958 hardtop like the Champion now on eBay represents a real up and coming car in SDC circles and I would think that for the price of a mid-line KIA, $15,000 for something this nice is not totally out of line.

As for eBay and Studebakers, right now it's the only game in town if you want maximum exposure. Studes do okay at Barrett-Jackson but again, that depends on the model AND if you can afford the steep commission and listing prices they charge. Turning Wheels is fine if you want to wait 2+ months to sell your car, and at that you are preaching strictly to the choir. I've said this before but in certain areas of the country certain styles of Studebakers are all but impossible to sell. Nobody in my local club, for example, is drooling over a four door, 6 cylinder 3-on-the-tree anything that Studebaker put out. eBay's large national and international exposure helps move cars like these and if you'll pardon me for saying it, helping drive the prices of Studebaker products up AND introducing them to the folks that will be buying them from us in our dotage!

If I had the money and storage I'd sure buy that 1958 Champion hardtop. Sure beats the heck out of a new KIA!

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Roscomacaw
05-27-2006, 01:02 PM
Hmmm... A Champion Hardtop WOULD be a rare one! All the info I've read indicates only Commander & President hardtops were built.[}:)]

Sorry Dude - couldn't resist![:o)]

OH - AND, of course, the PackardBaker hardtops. Musn't forget those!

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

imported_n/a
05-27-2006, 01:09 PM
I would not bid that amount on a car without looking it over. That being said, I may buy it so that I can use the Headlight Bezels on the Packebaker, then put the car back on EBAY with my pitted old bezels, and make a tidy sum to boot.

Studedude1961
05-27-2006, 03:21 PM
Ooops slip of the tongue Mr Biggs but I have read somewhere that there was ONE Champion hardtop built and yes, I would rather have that one if such an animal ever existed!

Who could resist?!

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

BobPalma
05-28-2006, 05:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Hmmm... A Champion Hardtop WOULD be a rare one! All the info I've read indicates only Commander & President hardtops were built.[}:)]

Sorry Dude - couldn't resist![:o)]

OH - AND, of course, the PackardBaker hardtops. Musn't forget those!




:)Amazing, Bob; you/we really DO learn something new every day! To wit: I looked up production figures in The Standard Catalog of American cars just for grins...lo and behold: They record Studebaker as having built 120 units of model 58G-J4, 1958 Champion 2-door hardtop! [:0] 'First time I had ever noticed that. They were probably for export, because, like you, I've never seen them referenced for the domestic market. Weird! :D BP

Roscomacaw
05-28-2006, 11:45 AM
Yeah, Studedude61's comment got me to thinking that such may well have been built for export, given that alot of the export stuff WAS 6cyl. Like you, Bob - I've never read reference to them!

Wonder if ANY of those 58G-J4s still exist someplace???[:0]

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Studedude1961
05-28-2006, 03:01 PM
Thanks for looking up the production numbers on the 1958 hardtops. I KNEW I had read somewhere that there was one Champion Hardtop built but couldn't remember where. In the previous post I was talking about Commanders and Presidents but kinda had a brain fart at the time!

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

BobPalma
05-28-2006, 03:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yeah, Studedude61's comment got me to thinking that such may well have been built for export, given that alot of the export stuff WAS 6cyl. Like you, Bob - I've never read reference to them!

Wonder if ANY of those 58G-J4s still exist someplace???[:0]

Miscreant at large.
:) OK, imagine this as having been built and may exist somewhere in the world: a solid black 1958 Champion hardtop, single headlights in quad pods, black tires and wheels and dog-dish hubcaps, with no options. And remember, Champions had 15" wheels to boot.

What a piece that would be to show at an SDC International Meet. ;) BP

mbstude
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
The attention it would get would be similar to that of Pat Skelly's 53 Studillac got at the GA State Meet. (With me driving it, of course. [:p]) His car was far from being the necest one, but is an original 53 Studillac done in the early fifties, and nothing has changed on it. With all the $30k+ restored cars, his got the most attention. Lucky guy... (He even gets to park it next to his 37 Dictator coupe [}:)])

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63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

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JDP
05-28-2006, 03:44 PM
Matthew, how did you guys document that Pat's car was a Bill Frick Studillac ?

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mbstude
05-28-2006, 03:56 PM
He never did, that I know of. :( But he's gotten SEVERAL leads; just hasn't followed up on a few of them. :) Like Pat said, "If it's a Frick car, great. If it's not, who cares, this is a NEAT car!" And, he's right. It gets neater when you're spreading rubber all along a parking lot. (Pat's that one that "dropped the clutch", not me, I went 'easy' on it. :D)

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
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And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

JDP
05-28-2006, 05:35 PM
Caddy powered Studebaker are neat, matter of fact I just bought a set of Hurst Caddy to Stude engine mounts on Ebay. It's just that you called it a Studillac and that just made me wonder if you found out something. Finding a Studillac survivor would be of great interest to everyone.

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64 Daytona HT
64 R2 4 speed Challenger
63 R2 4 speed GT Black
63 R2 4 speed GT White
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti
62 Daytona HT
53 Coupe

mbstude
05-28-2006, 05:57 PM
Well, it's definitley a survivor, a 50's hot rod project where everything is done 'right' and looks 'right', and hasn't been touched. It's a neat car, to say the least, but whether it's a Frick or not, your guess is as good as mine.


Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
South Georgia Chapter
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos