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Scott
04-14-2006, 12:41 PM
I guess Studebaker was offering Camaro engines and we never knew it! Restored? I don't think so. He calls it mild custom and then says it was restored. oh well.
Link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-GT-Hawk-1963-Studebaker-Hawk_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQitemZ4630985099QQrdZ1

gaboy
04-14-2006, 01:36 PM
Well..he had to explain the surgery some how (eng & trans) & did it with words of a true merchandising copywrighter.
Louis
still looking

Scott
04-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Besides, it was "professionally restored" and yet the professional forgot about the radio, the heater and the clock?! So, even if it was stock it still isn't restored.

JDP
04-14-2006, 02:18 PM
Restored:


"1.To bring back into existence or use"
"2. To bring back to an original condition"

The first might fit.

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63 Avanti
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65cruiser
04-14-2006, 02:51 PM
I'm not a big fan of belly button motors in Studes [B)] but this one looks nicely done. And, it's a decent looking car at that. I like the white with the red & white interior. And it's going to sell--up to $7,000 now with no reserve.

I'd take it if you gave it to me:D

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Scott
04-14-2006, 03:15 PM
I'd probably take it, too. But that motor wouldn't last long.

I also notice in one picture it looks like the front edge (surface) of the raised section of the hood has been painted red.

Studedude
04-14-2006, 04:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Restored:

"1.To bring back into existence or use"
"2. To bring back to an original condition"

The first might fit.

Yawn. :D

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sbca96
04-14-2006, 06:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I'd probably take it, too. But that motor wouldn't last long.

You mean because you would swap it out, or because of design? The TPI
engines are pretty solid, and it its a combo from an 88 of newer then
the trans is the updated 700R4. In 86 the engines were 305's, and the
rear main seal was redesigned. The rear mains on 86 and newer GM V8's
rarely ever leak, even with over 200k miles. The only downside is its
a MAF engine, the Speed Density engines are much less trouble prone.
With the 700R4 trans, I would expect that engine to go over 150k with
out needing anything but spark plugs. The L98 engine is pretty nice.
In the 90's the LT1 came out, and those will easily see 200k, I have
two that I drive each day that have over 200k on them, my commute is
55 miles each way. Our 86 IROC has that same engine, it has 100k and
the most consistant compression I have ever seen on an engine.[:0]

Tom

1963 Studebaker Avanti (http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/63avanti.jpg), 102,000, custom made brake brackets to mount 1998 Mustang GT 4 wheel disc brakes (soon to get 13" Cobra front brakes, 2003 Mustang Cobra 17" wheels, GM altenator, will be getting : 97 Camaro Z28 tan leather seats, 97 Camaro Z28 T-56 6-speed trans, Ported 'R3' style Avanti heads with stainless full flow valves, 'R3' 276 duration cam w/chrysler solid lifters, shortened push rods, aluminum cam gear, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires, waiting in the garage.

mbstude
04-14-2006, 06:23 PM
My car will be done similar as far as looks. Only red paint, and red interior with white seat inserts. [8D]

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63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

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jcarmichael
04-14-2006, 06:36 PM
There must be an electric fan in front of the radiator as the intake looks like it is where a fan would be. I think that car looks nice in the red & white colors.

1961 Lark

52hawk
04-14-2006, 07:30 PM
even BIGGER yawn.Nice car but the word 'restored' is so over-used in the car biz,I'm sick of it.I just spent almost a month getting the 'ChicagoLark' ready for paint,but I certainly could never call it 'RESTORED'...
quote:Originally posted by Studedude


quote:Originally posted by JDP

Restored:

"1.To bring back into existence or use"
"2. To bring back to an original condition"

The first might fit.

Yawn. :D

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Scott
04-14-2006, 08:09 PM
I just thought is was funny (sort of) the way some people call things restored, that are anything but. I didn't mean to cause yawns.

The engine might be nice, but if it were mine I'd take it out and sell it to pay for a nice Studebaker V8. When it comes to motive power I am unapologetically a purist. I figure if you want a Camaro, might as well get a whole Camaro and be done with it.

Studedude
04-14-2006, 08:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I just thought is was funny (sort of) the way some people call things restored, that are anything but. I didn't mean to cause yawns.

The engine might be nice, but if it were mine I'd take it out and sell it to pay for a nice Studebaker V8. When it comes to motive power I am unapologetically a purist. I figure if you want a Camaro, might as well get a whole Camaro and be done with it.
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52hawk
04-14-2006, 08:43 PM
OK,we put Dave to sleep! Scott,I'm still up.I agree,you don't 'restore' a car with a non original engine and trans.- Ebayers-please stop using the word "restored"... night -night Dave!

LaSalle,Il
61Hawk
60Lark

Studedude
04-14-2006, 09:12 PM
quote:
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night -night Dave!
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I agree,you don't 'restore' a car with a non original engine and trans.-
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Oh, I agree, we can all agree on that!

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[Ebayers-please stop using the word "restored"...[quote]
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Since we can also agree that is never going to happen, and we are all also perfectly capable of knowing the difference, why do we have to keep droning on, and on, and on about it every time somebody misuses the term?

It's not like it's hot news, or hasn't already been discussed hundreds of times already. [xx(]



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imported_n/a
04-14-2006, 09:17 PM
From the photos, I'd say it is a nice engine/trans conversion, and a decent looking Hawk that just needs some tweaking(don't they all?). Eight days to go, and it is aleady at $7000. That said, I'd much rather have the red R-engined one Dick S. posted recently.

Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2006, 10:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Restored? I don't think so. He calls it mild custom and then says it was restored. oh well.

Here's another abomination...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4629928307&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

He has the nerve to call this hunk of junk "fully restored". WRONG interior material and pattern, WRONG trunk color, WRONG year engine, WRONG valve covers, MISSING trunk and hood emblems, WRONG paint on dash, WRONG type and color of carpet. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. He'll be lucky to get $25,000.00 or so for this "frankenstude". I think we'd all like to see this bastardized example of Studebaker's finest crushed, melted down, and come back as Hello Kitty lunch boxes rather than to continue to besmirch the fine name of Studebaker.

What really bothers me, is that he didn't get my permission to perform these modifications and to use the word "restored" in his listing. It's not like I'm inflexible in granting said permission. Take this example. A guy contacted me in May of 2003. He had about $180,000 into a nut and bolt restoration of a '61 Lark Deluxe 4 door...down to the correctly dated antifreeze and the correct firewall chalk marks (applied by the original factory line worker). He had a problem. He couldn't travel to Indiana to fill his compressor with South Bend air due to the fact that he had to provide daily care to his invalid mother. After careful consideration, I granted him permission to air his tires with (gasp) non South Bend air. Of course I couldn't allow him to ever use the words "restore", "restored", or "restoration" when ever refering to the car (in print or verbally). I thought this was a fair compromise under the circumstances. Unfortunately, due to the non authentic tire air, the car was later sold to a BUTCHER who put flipper hub caps on the car and actually DROVE it to events.

So a couple simple rules here, folks. Contact me if you are contemplating any modifications to your Studebaker. Quite frankly, I know best. You may THINK you are enjoying the car hobby but you obviously can't be having fun unless you do it my way. And, please have the courtesy to run all eBay ads by me before posting them. If I catch another example of someone using "restored" on a Studebaker with non gum dipped Firestone tires (out of the original molds), I don't know what I will do.



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Kdancy
04-15-2006, 11:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by Packebaker

From the photos, I'd say it is a nice engine/trans conversion, and a decent looking Hawk that just needs some tweaking(don't they all?). Eight days to go, and it is aleady at $7000. That said, I'd much rather have the red R-engined one Dick S. posted recently.


I've heard that before :(
Cursed Purple Hawk--- famous last words.

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KevinSheen
04-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Dick, wait a minute. Please clear something up for me. How do you really feel? Kevin

1963 Champ

mbstude
04-15-2006, 11:31 AM
That 53 may have been completely restored, just not factory correct... [?]

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut. South Georgia Chapter
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63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
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Commander51
04-15-2006, 11:42 AM
Dick, even though I suspect some of your comments are tongue-in-cheek, I still think you should switch to decaf..:D

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Kittanning, PA

Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2006, 11:46 AM
quote:Originally posted by Commander51

Dick, even though I suspect some of your comments are tongue-in-cheek, I still think you should switch to decaf..:D



Some? :D



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Studedude
04-15-2006, 01:12 PM
quote:Some? :D

;)

If I were to have somebody help me do my thinking, Dick would be at the top of the list! [8D]

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Scott
04-15-2006, 02:04 PM
Hey! There's room in this club for purists, too. At least I used to think so.

Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2006, 02:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Hey! There's room in this club for purists, too.


Of course there is. And most of the ones I have met are as polite and tolerant as members that enjoy an occasional custom or modified Stude.




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bams50
04-15-2006, 03:15 PM
Dick S., THANK YOU for a point well-made!

I'm too busy loving old cars- INCLUDING Studes, of course- and enjoying looking at for sale ads, and buying cars, too care a whit how someone describes their car! If I'm interested, I discount whatever was written and do my own inspection- in person, or through someone knowledgeable- and make my decision from there!

Can't get interested in worrying about how someone else uses the language; too much in life that's more interestin to me.....;)



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Studedude
04-15-2006, 04:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Hey! There's room in this club for purists, too.Purists are the back bone of the club.

I never have heard of a purist being slighted for doing his car his way! I respect what it takes to do that! I don't take offense when some one chooses to do that.

The percieved problem here is not with purists, it's with those that "figure" everybody should think as they do, do as they would do, and some how feel threatened by those that don't... to the point that they feel compelled to take cheap pot-shots at every opportunity. That kind of "figuring" doesn't add up.

See, I figure if you want to keep your car original, you should.

I figure if you don't, you shouldn't, it's none of my business, either way.

By the same token, I figure it's none of your concern what I do with mine.

If someone prefers a Stude with a Camaro engine, rather than a Camaro, I figure they should build them a Stude with a Camaro engine, and "just be done with it!" [:0]

I don't know of anybody "in my camp" that wouldn't agree that there are Studes out there that deserve to be put back to original, and would not personally modify such a car. But, it is the owner's decision, period. I don't offer my advice regarding ideas of what should be done to a car,unless I'm asked. When asked, there have been more cases than not that I suggest the car deserves to remain original. If the owner chooses to follow that advice, fine. If not, fine. Either way, I will do what I can to help him get his Stude out there for folks to see on the road.

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Lark Parker
04-15-2006, 05:00 PM
[/quote]Of course there is! I never have heard of a purist being slighted for doing his car his way! I respect what it takes to do that!

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File under: Every rule has an exception.

Sorry to destroy a perfect world but you are about to hear of what must be the only exception. I had my car in Muncie at a public show for Indiana built cars. After the Studebakers were all introduced, the people/public came around the cars and I was asked when I was going to put a SBC in my car.

NOTE: Not [u]whether</u> I was going to put a SBC in it but --- [u]WHEN</u> was I going to do that.

My initial reaction was that one somebody had put him up to it. But, he was sincere so I told him that it was not in the plans.

Roscomacaw
04-15-2006, 05:42 PM
I'd say about every 5 or 6 interrogations or so, I get quizzed as to what kind of engine I have in the Transtar - the inferance being that I've surely changed out the obsolete Studebaker iron that most certainly wore out, rolled over and died, never to be repaired, ages ago.[xx(]
Curiously, so many think that if it's got a V8 in it now, it must be because that puny flathead 6 (that ALL Studebakers came with) just wouldn't be cool by today's standards.:(

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

mbstude
04-15-2006, 07:18 PM
All my Studes are 6's. The 52 doesn't have any running gear. Althoug I may make a trade with my grandad my truck for his 59 Scotsman, which is soon to have a 259. :D

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut. South Georgia Chapter
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63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo

imported_n/a
04-15-2006, 07:27 PM
Re: the "restored" Hawk--it may not have the proper chalk marks on the firewall and NOS air in the tires, but at least they didn't Chop it, drop it, tub it, sub it, rack it, throw a niner out back, cut a hole in the hood and crate motor it! [:0] Which brings to mind the philosophical question: If you put a Muncie in a car from South Bend, it is still kinda original?

mbstude
04-15-2006, 07:35 PM
Eh, well, "kinda";)

BUT STILL WAY COOL!!!!!!!
[:p]

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut. South Georgia Chapter
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63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo

sbca96
04-15-2006, 09:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Here's another abomination...He has the nerve to call this hunk of junk "fully restored". WRONG interior material ... snip ..

I am not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek, or true opinion under the
tone of tongue-in-cheek, so it could be taken back if no one agreed.
Thats a very nice example of a Studebaker, its even Stude powered. It
is certainly not a hunk of junk. Which is better? To be crushed at
a salvage yard, or reborn a little incorrect? I remember seeing a
straight 55 Speedster years ago at a salvage yard, it was too far gone
for me to do anything with, but I thought it could be a nice custom.
Had that car been put back on the road with a GM or Ford engine, would
that have been a bad thing? Should the owner of that car be put down
for using an engine that he knows, with common parts, rather then the
car never seeing the road again? Studebaker "purists" have done a lot
of good to keep "correct" cars around so that people know what they
looked like years ago, but they do a lot of bad by banishing those who
ended up swapping out varying parts to keep the car functional. That
55 Speedster I mentioned, it was crushed and is probably on the street
as 20 different Toyota Camrys right now (comparative metal content).
Was that a better end for the car? I dont think so. My Avanti will
be staying Studebaker powered, had I wanted a GM powered Stude I would
have got an Avanti II or a 65-66 Lark. It will however be getting a
T56 6 spd trans, '03 Cobra 13" brakes & '97 Camaro Z28 front leather
power seats. It already has 03 Cobra wheels, which both Studebaker &
non-Studebaker people agree look quite nice.

Tuning Wheels is never been accepting of modified cars, and that is
quite obvious by the lack of articles, and that pitiful modified deal
in recent issues. I am a member of SDC, have worked on Studes since
I was around 12, I feel keeping them driveable is more important then
if the car still has factory items that make it unsafe on todays roads.

Tom

Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2006, 11:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

[quote][i]

I am not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek, or true opinion under the
tone of tongue-in-cheek,



I'm not THAT tricky. It was tongue in cheek. That eBay Starliner is obviously stunning. I was trying to show how silly it sounds to knock a car based on someone's narrow idea of how the hobby should be enjoyed.

It's really not that interesting to hear what someone DOESN'T like...and it's pretty much useless information. It was my humerous attempt to point that out.



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CHAMP
04-16-2006, 08:50 AM
We all have our likes and dislikes, and wouldn't it be a boring world if we all like the samething? I'm restoring my Stude to my specs. Have A nice STUDEBAKER day!!!!!!!!!!! Champ[8D]

Scott
04-16-2006, 09:05 AM
Dick, if you can call purists narrow, then it's awfully forgiving of you to allow them in the club.

Now you've had your turn. Your insulting comments do not command respect for your positions.

If you can say anything's alright to do, then I have every right to do the opposite. Better to crush them than corrupt them.

stude53
04-16-2006, 09:27 AM
When I was at the SDC meet in South Bend one year, I had the privilege and pleasure of meeting and talking with Bob Bourke (well-known auto designer for Studebaker and for Raymond Loewy) and his biographer John Bridges. At the same meet, Bob gave a wonderful slide talk about his automotive designs from the forties, fifties and sixties. At that session, there were a lot of purists and a few independent thinkers like myself. I asked Bob this question from the audience “what do you think of custom and modified Studebakers?

His answer was: “I believe that anyone that customizes his or her automobile is expressing their love of that particular make and personalizing it to their liking. I still have and drive a customized 1954 Commander Hardtop that I used to show Studebaker executives what I thought the 55 Stude should look like. Unfortunately, I was over-ruled and they voted to hang all that chrome on the 55 Studebakers, because GM, Ford, and Chrysler were doing it.”

My admiration for Bob grew even larger.

Stock is great for those that prefer it, and I enjoy a good restoration as much as anyone.

I currently own a 1953 Studebaker Commander Starliner hardtop that is almost finished.

It has a Chevy drive train (350 V8, TH350 trans, Camaro 4.11 positraction rear), stock body with tri-star exterior trim, special paint (‘66 Pontiac Barrier Blue bottom, ‘77 Corvette Artic White top).

I’m ready to install stock pattern interior with updated materials (white naugahyde with inserts of dark blue suede pleats). Next to install are: all glass, Ron Francis wiring kit, chrome and stainless trim, bumpers, and new wheels/tires. 2006 is the year it gets on the road.

My next dream is a custom 54/55 Conestoga with a 53 C/K look front end, Fat Man suspension and steering, disk brakes, and lots of custom touches.

Mr. Dan0
04-16-2006, 09:45 AM
Some of you guys......Not all But some of you are really insane!!

Big deal if we change the looks and maybe engine on a stude......You don't like it TOUGH don't look at it!!

and why must you condemn those of us who like a new look?

Could it be that you are Jealous of the fact that your car don't look as good ??:) Or that maybe you don't have the tools or knowledge to do any Modifying?

Maybe the "restoration" process should all be conducted on the hot-rod site. Unless of course we use nothing but genuine stude parts and make it look like we are driving our grandma's car.

So that's why there is only a couple replies on modifying a stude. Some of you think that it is a SIN.

Hate to bust ones bubble in the restoration...........But that is what I'm doing Restoring an art, Retorting the Car as one may see fit.
Restoring The stude that If they would still build them may or not have the same options,
Restoration of a fine auto is what it is

Get over it !!

Scott
04-16-2006, 10:15 AM
I doubt anyone remembers, but I first started this thread just to point out a confusing misuse of a term. I did not go flying into a rage about purism; others took the thread in that direction.

I think it's time for the guys into modified cars to lighten up A LOT!! There is no reason to go bashing those of us who prefer our Studebakers non-modified. I am very disappointed that so many members on this forum take it into their heads that guys that don't much care for Studebakers with Chevy motors must be reactionaries who must be stamped out at all cost.

I can't believe I even need to defend my opinion in this group. I said I WOULD YANK that Camaro engine out and get it rid of it. I DID NOT SAY that you guys have to do the same. Do you get it, yet?

If I can't make a statement like that without getting piled on by a bunch of guys with knee-jerk reations, then I'm in the wrong club.

hi-peral
04-16-2006, 10:19 AM
Mr. SCOTT


quote: Better to crush them than corrupt them.

With that attitude there would be exactly No examples left.

Live your dreams!

Dick Steinkamp
04-16-2006, 10:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Dick, if you can call purists narrow, then it's awfully forgiving of you to allow them in the club.

Now you've had your turn. Your insulting comments do not command respect for your positions.

If you can say anything's alright to do, then I have every right to do the opposite. Better to crush them than corrupt them.


Scott,
The absolute last thing I would do is to insult someone who restores Studebakers to original. #1 because I'm one of them. I have restored far more Studebakers than I have modified (including a 396 point '62 Lark). #2 because we wouldn't have this great club without the vast majority who gravitate to original (or mostly original) Studebakers.

The purpose of my post was to point out in a humerous way (obviously failed) that I believe talking about what we don't like, and knocking someone else's car (or their description of their car) because it isn't what we would do is not very interesting or worthwhile information.

I apologize if anybody was insulted by my post. I guess I have a stong opinion that there are many, many ways to enjoy our shared hobby, and I let that come out a little too strongly.

Scott, if you are going to be in Omaha this summer, I'll buy you a beer. I've found that these discussions are far less caustic face to face with some suds involved :).



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BShaw
04-16-2006, 11:05 AM
GENERAL CAUTION: If you wish to debate the never-ending impossible-to-resolve “stock versus modified” issue you are free to do so. However, I submit to you that if you genuinely wish to communicate the merits of your position on the topic, leave the personal attacks, inflammatory words, sarcasm, disrespect and egos out of the equation. Thank you. http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/StudeRobert/HellFreezing.gif

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Scott
04-16-2006, 11:07 AM
Dick,

I do hope to get to Omaha and it wold be nice to meet you. These kinds of discussions are usually fruitless. They just get everbody's dander up.

After so many years since these cars were built, probably 90% of them have some modification. My 1966 Cruiser has an extra brake light above the package shelf and some extra wiring for speakers. That's just the way it was when I got it. But it also has the stock GM style 283 in it. Would I put a Studebaker motor in it? Well, it would be interesting, but NO, I wouldn't. This is the way it came from the factory and it's kind of quirky that way. By the way, I've teased my dad a few times about putting his extra 1957 Corvette fuel injection setup on my Cruiser. That would raise a few eyebrows.

My dad's a big GM guy and I grew up with 55-57 Chevys all over the place - not to mention lots of Cadillacs and Corvettes. For me the Chevy motors are about exciting as a lump of coal. NOT because they are bad engines; just because they are so common. I bet that hawk with the Camaro engine could beat my stock Stude 289 engined hawk down the road any day of the week. But just because I say that I'd pull it and sell it, doesn't mean any more than that, really. Your comments stung mainly because I felt they took my meaning all out of context.

studegary
04-16-2006, 12:30 PM
I appreciate all Studebakers and believe that owners should do what they desire. I have owned more than 50 stock Studebakers and three modified Studebakers. What I do should have no bearing on what others do and vice-versa.

Someone mentioned the small amount of coverage of modifieds in Turning Wheels. A number of years ago, as an SDC Director, I pushed for SDC to advertise in hot rod and modified periodicals and successfully pushed for coverage of modified cars in Turning Wheels. If you don't feel as if there is enough coverage, submit an article suitable for publication. I can recall several times when Mr. Soper was pleading for input for the modified column, because he didn't have enough to keep going. If you want something to change, you have to put the effort forth to help cause the change desired.

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Mr. Dan0
04-16-2006, 07:04 PM
If I was outa line or walked any body..............

I apologize !!

Don't know why I just had to think I had to reply ...But I did and my fingers didn't know when to stop !!

Sorry guys if I was a A@@........................

have a great super day !! whats left of it !!

sbca96
04-16-2006, 09:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott
I can't believe I even need to defend my opinion in this group. I said I WOULD YANK that Camaro engine out and get it rid of it. I DID NOT SAY that you guys have to do the same. Do you get it, yet?


As far as the Camaro engine being yanked, thats all good and fine, if
someone bought it & wanted a Studebaker back in, I dont see the harm.
My point was that if anything, that engine will last longer (miles)
then the Studebaker engine, based on the OD (not the engine itself).
If you meant "wont last long" as in you would pull it to replace with
a Stude, then I understand that fully. I was asking for clarification,
because your statement also sounded like it could mean you felt that
that Camaro engine was somehow inferior to the Stude, with the updates
like fuel injection, and automatic OD, there are advantages to that
swap. The difficult part of swaping back, is that to install that TPI
motor in the Stude, it needed a high pressure fuel system, which is
about 43 psi. That would cause some serious flooding with an AFB.;)


quote:Originally posted by studegary
Someone mentioned the small amount of coverage of modifieds in Turning Wheels. A number of years ago, as an SDC Director, I pushed for SDC to advertise in hot rod and modified periodicals and successfully pushed for coverage of modified cars in Turning Wheels. If you don't feel as if there is enough coverage, submit an article suitable for publication.

Its interesting, I made the same post on here, as I did on the Avanti
Forum. The difference is, the editor of Avanti Magazine contacted me
directly about making an article for that publication - I did. Its in
Issue 133 (if anyone is interested). The second part of my article,
covering the Mustang rear disc install, is due in the next issue, but
due to money problems, its going to be a transitional to the third
part. I can contact the editor of Avanti, and ask if he would mind it
being republished in TW. The feedback I have had on the article was
quite good, and was compared to Hot Rod and the sort. Though I have
not been approached by TW to make an article, one would assume that
they are not interested.

Tom

JDP
04-16-2006, 09:55 PM
I don't think you can expect to TW editors to know everyone that would like to submit something. I know they sre always looking and welcome any submitions.

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sbca96
04-17-2006, 04:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I don't think you can expect to TW editors to know everyone that would like to submit

True, though somehow Avanti Magazine did.:D;)

Tom

studegary
04-17-2006, 05:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96


quote:Originally posted by JDP

I don't think you can expect to TW editors to know everyone that would like to submit

True, though somehow Avanti Magazine did.:D;)

Tom


SDC has between 12 and 13 thousand family memberships. How many does AOAI have? It may be that the editor for AOAI either knows you or knows about your project. The SDC editors know many people that can contribute to Turning Wheels, but they may not know you or what you are working on. Communication usually takes two.

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

DEEPNHOCK
04-17-2006, 06:01 PM
I've been a very good boy and have kept my mouth shut;)
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by BShaw

GENERAL CAUTION: If you wish to debate the never-ending impossible-to-resolve “stock versus modified” issue you are free to do so. However, I submit to you that if you genuinely wish to communicate the merits of your position on the topic, leave the personal attacks, inflammatory words, sarcasm, disrespect and egos out of the equation. Thank you. http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/StudeRobert/HellFreezing.gif

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Lark Parker
04-17-2006, 06:59 PM
[quote]Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

I've been a very good boy and have kept my mouth shut;)
Jeff[8D]


You've done well. I have also shown restraint.

I have this joke I wrote about the Studebaker purist with Tourette's Syndrome that kept muttering "small block Chevy".

But I never told it because I saw the mess D.S. got into with his humor.

sbca96
04-17-2006, 07:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary
SDC has between 12 and 13 thousand family memberships. How many does AOAI have? It may be that the editor for AOAI either knows you or knows about your project.

Nope, he doesnt know me, nope didnt know about my project, I guess he
just reads their Forum?? Maybe he was bored one day and happened to
see it? Its possible that elves told him (that happens to me a lot).

Tom

Dick Steinkamp
04-17-2006, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by Lark Parker


I have this joke I wrote about the Studebaker purist with Tourette's Syndrome that kept muttering "small block Chevy".




:D



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N8N
04-17-2006, 07:44 PM
quote:Tuning Wheels is never been accepting of modified cars, and that is
quite obvious by the lack of articles, and that pitiful modified deal
in recent issues. I am a member of SDC, have worked on Studes since
I was around 12, I feel keeping them driveable is more important then
if the car still has factory items that make it unsafe on todays roads.

I don't know that "pitiful" is the right word to use; if you mean that it is small compared to the articles devoted to 100% correct vehicles and/or history, then yes, you have a point. But every now and then a really awesome modified shows up in that column.

Is it really time for this thread again already?

BTW it looks like I just sold my mostly-stock Stude and I'm about 90% sure that my '55 is going to end up with R-power. So I guess I'm turning into one of those evil modifiers &lt;G&gt;

That said, I would never use the word "restored" to describe a modified. "restored body" or "restored interior" maybe but only if those portions of the car were done in a factory-correct manner.

nate

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62 Daytona hardtop
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Studedude
04-17-2006, 08:37 PM
quote:But I never told it because I saw the mess D.S. got into with his humor.Mess? What mess? I wanna hear the story! [^]

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Studedude
04-17-2006, 08:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N

[quote]Tuning Wheels is never been accepting of modified cars, and that is quite obvious by the lack of articles, and that pitiful modified deal in recent issues.The lack of articles is partly because of space limitations, I'm sure... but mostly due to lack of submissions. When I submitted my car to Mr. Soper several years ago, the article didn't run for several months, because of a back log of articles waiting in the wings at that time. No too long after that, he was begging for submissions. That is not an attitude problem on the part of the club or TW, it's simply a lack of submissions, and/or quality of submissions (subject to opinion, I'm not sure how to interpret your defination of "pitiful.") The Modified & Custom section can only be as full/good as submissions, and neither Mr. Soper or the editors have control of those issues. It's up to the membership to give them something to work with!

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Roscomacaw
04-17-2006, 09:47 PM
I believe StudeDude is right. It's not for TW's not wanting modified articles - it's a matter of no one submitting them.

OTOH... sometimes the tenor of one's material is a bit ill targeted. :D

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Dick Steinkamp
04-17-2006, 09:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
Mess? What mess? I wanna hear the story! [^]


I've just got to learn to serious up a little about this hobby. [}:)]




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Studedude
04-17-2006, 10:47 PM
quote:I've just got to learn to serious up a little about this hobby. [}:)]Why? Is your blood pressure dangerously low? [?]

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sbca96
04-18-2006, 01:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by N8N
I don't know that "pitiful" is the right word to use; if you mean that it is small compared to the articles devoted to 100% correct vehicles and/or history, then yes, you have a point.

I apologize, this goes to show you should NEVER post when you are in
a bad mood already. I was an angry poster when I typed that. Today
I am feeling better because the frustation of no DSL is over, but the
pains of last week still run deep. My wifes 39k mile rebuilt trans
died in her commuter car, and our paralysed kitty had to have a rear
leg amputated to the tune of 800 bucks. Needless to say no more work
will be getting done on the Avanti for a while ... that sucks. The
Cobra brakes are waiting to be ordered and bolted on. Thats 1500 more
on a car that should have been OK for another 100k.


quote:Originally posted by Studedude
The lack of articles is partly because of space limitations, I'm sure... but mostly due to lack of submissions. When I submitted my car to Mr. Soper several years ago, the article didn't run for several months, because of a back log of articles waiting in the wings at that time. No too long after that, he was begging for submissions.

Part 1 of my article in Avanti Magazine was 4 pages. Think that TW
would print an article w/pics thats that long?

Again, sorry about the "pitiful" crack, I got fired up, after already
being fired up. Double fired up maybe??

Tom

jimmijim8
04-18-2006, 06:03 AM
Very well said Dick. Both cars pictured in this post are nice. Restored and modified tastefully
[a bit or a bit more} doesn't bother me in the slightest way. Some do this un-tastefully. I haven't seen a modified Stude done in any way that was meant to cause intentional anguish to anybody. I don't think. If so, there may be grounds for a law suit. I hope my car makes it to STUDE HEAVEN. What are the qualifications? Dick, will you be the gate keeper there? jimmijim

Dick Steinkamp
04-18-2006, 09:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by jimmijim8

I hope my car makes it to STUDE HEAVEN. What are the qualifications?


I checked, and ALL Studes are welcome [8D].



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sbca96
04-18-2006, 11:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by jimmijim8
I hope my car makes it to STUDE HEAVEN.

My 60 Hawk already went there[V], its up on a hill.

Tom

jimmijim8
04-19-2006, 06:55 AM
Yee Haa!!!!! jimmiim