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Dick Steinkamp
04-13-2006, 06:24 PM
What a neat club :D. Where else can you send off a measly $25 and get a copy of the original production order for your vintage car. [^]. Received this in the mail today....

http://static.flickr.com/48/128120839_1d17405f5a.jpg

It's for the R1 Hawk I currently have "in inventory".

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JT-1397 matches with the engine in the car. All the listed options are still there. No extras. The car has been repainted from the original Champagne Gold, however.

It was delivered new in Portland, OR. Hasn't strayed too far from home in these 43 years.

Must have been special ordered by a customer. "SOLD...RUSH". Lucky guy [:p]

Anybody know what "TAG H D NEWCOMBE" means?

This is not the first prod order I've received for a Stude, but what a thrill to get this in the mail!! Order one for your ride from...

http://www.studebakermuseum.org/



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JBOYLE
04-13-2006, 06:28 PM
A related question...once you have one (which i do, it came with my car)I understand you can create your own window "sticker".

Where can I get one? or If you only get a blank, where do you find out the retail prices for the car, options and delivery to put on it?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

railway
04-13-2006, 07:04 PM
Yep, it still has the 55 white wall tires:)
Funny, this many years latter, we still use the number code in our invotory(sp) system. only now its 999 if not logged in the computer.[:p]

Ebon...
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ddub
04-13-2006, 07:18 PM
Studebaker International has window sticker blanks for $3.00.

53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
WA state

BobPalma
04-13-2006, 08:28 PM
[8D] John: See this thread from a couple days ago. I just today mailed Rick Curtis his MSRP/Options/Prices information. Same offer is available to you. :) BP

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3706

If you only get a blank, where do you find out the retail prices for the car, options and delivery to put on it?[/blue]

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

BobPalma
04-13-2006, 08:44 PM
Anybody know what "TAG H D NEWCOMBE" means?

:) Dick: 99 was a generic option code for Special Instructions. In other words, it told the folks on the line and elsewhere to "listen up." Just about anything could follow a Code 99 Option specification.

"Tag" indicates for whom or to what department's attention the car is intended. For example, on the production orders for the 1962 "500 Festival" Indianapolis Pace Car Clones, the last option is:

99 TAG INDIANAPOLIS 500.

I don't know who H D Newcombe is. :( It might be a Studebaker employee (not necessarily in South Bend or even Indiana), or perhaps a company or fleet buyer, to whom the car was to be shipped, or for whom the car was to receive special attention/preparation/etc. Pure speculation as to H D Newcombe, you understand; I don't profess to know that person or entity. [:o)] BP

JDP
04-13-2006, 09:43 PM
I had my build sheet made into a sticker by Richard Quinn, or maybe Bob Palma ? He can do the fancy one like the one pictured, or the factory job. (I think)

http://stude.com/R2sticker.jpg

Studebaker On The Net http://stude.com
64 R2 4 speed Challenger
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti
54 3R Pickup

Dick Steinkamp
04-13-2006, 09:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


Anybody know what "TAG H D NEWCOMBE" means?

:) Dick: 99 was a generic option code for Special Instructions. In other words, it told the folks on the line and elsewhere to "listen up." Just about anything could follow a Code 99 Option specification.

"Tag" indicates for whom or to what department's attention the car is intended. For example, on the production orders for the 1962 "500 Festival" Indianapolis Pace Car Clones, the last option is:

99 TAG INDIANAPOLIS 500.

I don't know who H D Newcombe is. :( It might be a Studebaker employee (not necessarily in South Bend or even Indiana), or perhaps a company or fleet buyer, to whom the car was to be shipped, or for whom the car was to receive special attention/preparation/etc. Pure speculation as to H D Newcombe, you understand; I don't profess to know that person or entity. [:o)] BP


Thanks, Bob. One of these days I'll stump you ;)



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Dick Steinkamp
04-13-2006, 10:07 PM
The $4128 that JP's Hawk cost new in 1963 is worth $26,805 in today's dollars. Probably not enough to buy a similar equiped car if Studebaker had stayed in business until now. So much for buying a new car and salting it away as a hedge against inflation.




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JDP
04-13-2006, 10:18 PM
Well, I sold "Goldie", another R2 GT for 30K last year, you could have $100/year toward your storage bill. :)

Studebaker On The Net http://stude.com
64 R2 4 speed Challenger
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti
54 3R Pickup

avantilover
04-13-2006, 11:50 PM
Hello everyone,
This is my first post as I joined last night.

I seem to recall that a manufacturer (thought it was Studebaker, may be wrong) offered the availability to get your own personalised nameplate on the dashboard of your new car.

Perhaps HD Newcombe was the first owner?

John Clements (Adelaide, Sth Australia)

Avantilover your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!

kmul221
04-14-2006, 07:44 AM
Nice car I have a 63 GT myself.Just curious,The mesh pattern in the front parking light area is not there as on mine.Is this a personal preference or did you recieve like so ? I have seen a few like this & wonder if they came from the factory like this ?

BobPalma
04-14-2006, 09:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

Nice car I have a 63 GT myself.Just curious,The mesh pattern in the front parking light area is not there as on mine.Is this a personal preference or did you recieve like so ? I have seen a few like this & wonder if they came from the factory like this ?


[:I] The mesh on Dick's car has been removed somewhere along the way. :) BP

Dick Steinkamp
04-14-2006, 09:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

[:I] The mesh on Dick's car has been removed somewhere along the way. :) BP


Bob's right (as usual [^]). Along with the grill mesh, some emblems (including the R1 emblems) are missing. My guess is that these items didn't find their way back on to the car after the repaint.



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Dick Steinkamp
04-14-2006, 10:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by avantilover

Hello everyone,
This is my first post as I joined last night.

I seem to recall that a manufacturer (thought it was Studebaker, may be wrong) offered the availability to get your own personalised nameplate on the dashboard of your new car.

Perhaps HD Newcombe was the first owner?

John Clements (Adelaide, Sth Australia)

Avantilover your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!


Welcome, John!

Included with the owner's manual with this car was a "Name Plate Registration" brocure. There are instructions, and a tear off portion (missing on mine) that was to be sent in to get your personalized name plate. The plate said "Gran Turismo Hawk Quality built expressely for XXXXX XXXXXXX". My car does not have the name plate on the dash.

HD Newcombe could have been the person that ordered the car new. Does anyone know ( Bob[?]) if ALL customer ordered cars had the purchasor shown on line 99 of the production order?



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JDP
04-14-2006, 10:59 AM
They did not, must have been a special reason for the note. i.e. I've seen "Hold for engineering," Indy car, "Roger ward" and the like.

Studebaker On The Net http://stude.com
64 R2 4 speed Challenger
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti
54 3R Pickup

BobPalma
04-14-2006, 12:18 PM
Welcome, John!

Included with the owner's manual with this car was a "Name Plate Registration" brocure. There are instructions, and a tear off portion (missing on mine) that was to be sent in to get your personalized name plate. The plate said "Gran Turismo Hawk Quality built expressely for XXXXX XXXXXXX". My car does not have the name plate on the dash.

HD Newcombe could have been the person that ordered the car new. Does anyone know ( Bob[?]) if ALL customer ordered cars had the purchasor shown on line 99 of the production order?

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:) Dick: No, they did not, as John said. It was rare, if ever, that a simple retail customer's name would appear on the production order, even if it was an ordered vehicle. I've looked at thousands of original production orders through the years and can't remember seeing more than one or two customer names.

H D Newcombe may not be the name of a person anyway; it could be a leasing company or any number of entities. [:o)]

Who said you haven't "stumped" me, Dick? [}:)] I was unable to tell you exactly how many 1962 Hawks had 4-speeds (not that anyone else could without researching all the 1962 V-8 production orders)...and, now, I have no idea to what "H D Newcombe" refers! <G> ;) BP

Bill Pressler
04-14-2006, 02:48 PM
I, too, think it's neat we have the availability of production orders for our cars.

H.D. Newcombe might be a Stude Zone employee in Portland, or maybe the name of the dealer in Portland where the car was shipped, or maybe even a local VIP (mayor?) Fun to guess, isn't it? The SNM can tell you the name of the dealers in Portland in late '62.

Although they don't promote this, the SNM also has shipping certificates for '60's Studes. I prefer them to the production order. They have most of the info from the P.O. plus the name and street address of the dealer the car was shipped to. I have both the shipping certificate and production order for my '63 Lark Daytona Skytop.

I was at the SNM archives in Jan., looking through retail sales records for the Carl E. Filer Co., our local Stude dealer where I grew up, and a friend of mine as well. These sales records begin in Sept. '63 and appear to go through the end of '66, although seemed sparse for '65 (at least for this particular dealer). Of the 40 '64 Studes our local dealer moved from his inventory, seven went to other dealers (he sold Studes through '66). This was more trading than I would have expected back then. In fact, a Bordeaux Red 4-speed convertible he sold, he got in a dealer trade from Buffalo, NY. So, the production order might not actually show you the real location the car was sold from. BTW, the serial number was 64V-5962--might the car survive? It had black vinyl buckets seats, power steering and a 289.

Those are interesting forms. They show the name of the retail buyer, or name of the dealer accepting the vehicle in a dealer trade, the buyer's address and occupation, and the salesman's name. You need to know the dealer's zone code to access them though. I knew the serial number of a car delivered there new, so cross-referencing from the production order to the shipping certificate for that car to the dealer retail sales records, which are organized by month, then dealer code, order, was necessary.

Anyway, good luck in trying to find out who Mr. Newcomb was/is!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH

studegary
04-14-2006, 04:44 PM
I don't know why it was, but most '60s Studebakers were assembled after their indicated requested "date to ship." This "SOLD RUSH" car was assembled on the day it was supposed to ship.

My guess on the "H D NEWCOMBE" is that he was someone with a high position in Studebaker, like in charge of a Zone. I don't think that any nameplates came on the car from the factory. The dealer or owner usually affixed them

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Studebaker Wheel
04-14-2006, 05:58 PM
If you will access your August and September issues of Turning Wheels you will find a fairly exhaustive article on Studebaker window price stickers in my Almanac column. There are photo samples of actual stickers for all eight years they were in use.

Window price stickers were introduced on the 1959 model year cars (they were required by law). I have authentic blanks for all the 1959-66 cars (they wee not required on trucks). I have been wholesaling the blanks to Ed Reynolds at Studebaker International for over 10 years. I have subsequently made up stickers for all Studebakers back to 1931.

For over 5 years I have been filling them out for SDC members using authentic fonts with accurate prices for the misc options and accessories. I charge $40 plus $2.50 shipping for this service. I have never advertised this service since each sticker generally requires about 2 hours to complete and I am not sure I want to be that busy!

The one John has posted for the '62 Hawk is a good example but I can email a sample of most any year and model upon request. (rtq11 at aol.com)

Richard Quinn
editor: The Studebaker Almanac

P.S. I am not sure how John could possibly think that Bob Palma had the talent to do anything this complex!!

R. Quinn

52hawk
04-14-2006, 07:56 PM
The buyer had an especially bad hair day when he ordered the car.In the glove box he found a heavy duty new comb.On a lark,,Studebaker built a 'vanity' into their cars the next year!!!

LaSalle,Il
61Hawk
60Lark

BobPalma
04-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Richard Quinn
editor: The Studebaker Almanac

P.S. I am not sure how John could possibly think that Bob Palma had the talent to do anything this complex!!


:D I resemble that remark. [}:)] Just see what happens the next time you need a GM intermediate wagon beater and can't find one, Dick! (I'm stockpiling them.) ;) BP

Dick Steinkamp
04-14-2006, 10:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary



My guess on the "H D NEWCOMBE" is that he was someone with a high position in Studebaker, like in charge of a Zone.


We need Mr. Biggs to make up a good story about the life and times of H D Newcombe. You up to it Bob? [8D]



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Transtar56
04-15-2006, 06:07 AM
I guess Mr. Quinn is busy enough,but I got one from him for my 60 Hawk and they are very nice!

Studebaker Wheel
04-15-2006, 03:44 PM
Thanks for the unsolicited testimonial on the window price stickers. My initial post on this topic indicated that a comprehensive article on the topic of the stickers could be found in the August and September issues of Turning Wheels. I failed to provide the year which was 1996. Pardon the oversight.

I will be glad to hear from anyone who is interested in having one done. I can email samples.

Richard Quinn
TW Almanac editor

starlightchamp
04-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Thank you, Bob Parma ,for the 63 car and accessorries prices. They arrived two days ago.
BTW I ordered the factory GT Hawk invoice from SNM but the charge was $40. Maybe I'm getting something more special.

Dick Curtis
1950 Regal Starlight
1963 GT Hawk.

KevinSheen
04-19-2006, 10:54 PM
StarlightChamp, The production orders for models before a certain year (1957??) are $40 and the later years are $25. Kevin

1963 Champ

Dick Steinkamp
04-19-2006, 11:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by KevinSheen

StarlightChamp, The production orders for models before a certain year (1957??) are $40 and the later years are $25. Kevin

1963 Champ


'60-'66 are $25. '36-'59 are $40.



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