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PackardV8
03-10-2007, 09:20 AM
Greetings, All,

Just noticed a pair of R3 iron exhaust headers recenetly sold on eBay for $500 and Lionel Stone still advertises them in Turning Wheels for $375. Is there any differences in OEM and Lionel's supposedly made from the same molds, or was this buyer getting something special?

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

StudeRich
03-10-2007, 05:35 PM
Yes, the original ones did not have all the casting flash inside like the repros.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-10-2007, 05:35 PM
Yes, the original ones did not have all the casting flash inside like the repros.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Jessie J.
03-10-2007, 08:12 PM
If I recall correctly, the original R-3 manifolds were right and left specific, with the O.E. passenger side manifold having a cast-in alternator mount.
The repops (I have a set), consist of two of the drivers side manifolds, and require a seperate bracket bolted to the cyl. head to mount the alternator. Really a minor, and not easily noticed detail.

Jessie J.
03-10-2007, 08:12 PM
If I recall correctly, the original R-3 manifolds were right and left specific, with the O.E. passenger side manifold having a cast-in alternator mount.
The repops (I have a set), consist of two of the drivers side manifolds, and require a seperate bracket bolted to the cyl. head to mount the alternator. Really a minor, and not easily noticed detail.

Transtar60
03-10-2007, 11:14 PM
I have a set that was on a Champ trucks V8 , that have to be at least 15 years old, that are the same left and right and the alternator mounted to head bolts with studs protruding from the heads of the bolts.
So when did the repos first appear??

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

Transtar60
03-10-2007, 11:14 PM
I have a set that was on a Champ trucks V8 , that have to be at least 15 years old, that are the same left and right and the alternator mounted to head bolts with studs protruding from the heads of the bolts.
So when did the repos first appear??

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

StudeRich
03-11-2007, 12:55 PM
You guys are confusing the issue here, it's not when did they change! Avantis used the same Left/Right because they do not mount the Alternator on the manifold. Lark/Hawk use the one with the built-in mounting bracket bosses with threaded holes.

I do not remember if Stu-V-Products Co. ever produced any manifolds from the dies from Paxton Products Div. of Stude. I think they did, many years before Lionel Stone got the dies. The quality of the work that the casting Co. does now, seems to be way less than the original Paxton ones, and the Lark/Hawk R/H one is no longer manufactured.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-11-2007, 12:55 PM
You guys are confusing the issue here, it's not when did they change! Avantis used the same Left/Right because they do not mount the Alternator on the manifold. Lark/Hawk use the one with the built-in mounting bracket bosses with threaded holes.

I do not remember if Stu-V-Products Co. ever produced any manifolds from the dies from Paxton Products Div. of Stude. I think they did, many years before Lionel Stone got the dies. The quality of the work that the casting Co. does now, seems to be way less than the original Paxton ones, and the Lark/Hawk R/H one is no longer manufactured.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

PackardV8
03-11-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks for the info, StudeRich. Very minor point of clarification - iron castings are made in molds, not in dies. thnx, jv.

PackardV8

PackardV8
03-11-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks for the info, StudeRich. Very minor point of clarification - iron castings are made in molds, not in dies. thnx, jv.

PackardV8

go-studebaker
03-12-2007, 07:23 AM
Hi guys,
the exhaustheaders for Avanti powered cars are universal and do both sides with no mount for the altenator, as Avanti powered cars do not mount the altenator from the exhaust manifold.

I have seen a set of those manifold made by Studebaker that did have the altenator mount cast with the header, but these are extremely rare, and I doubt that they are a part that you would reasonably expect to find.

So Studebaker did make both types, but the latter is an odd bod Studebaker part.

Regards
Greg



Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
03-12-2007, 07:23 AM
Hi guys,
the exhaustheaders for Avanti powered cars are universal and do both sides with no mount for the altenator, as Avanti powered cars do not mount the altenator from the exhaust manifold.

I have seen a set of those manifold made by Studebaker that did have the altenator mount cast with the header, but these are extremely rare, and I doubt that they are a part that you would reasonably expect to find.

So Studebaker did make both types, but the latter is an odd bod Studebaker part.

Regards
Greg



Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

Aspalen
03-13-2007, 05:03 PM
This is the one with alternator mounts.



The Avanti part book says
1563228 MANIFOLD, right, exhaust-exhaust header-special order. R1, R2,
1559213 MANIFOLD, left, exhaust-exhaust header-special order. R1, R2,

and
1559213 MANIFOLD, - R3, R4, left/right.


Is this 1563228?
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282/aspalen/PICT4982.jpg
Regards Lennart...

Aspalen
03-13-2007, 05:03 PM
This is the one with alternator mounts.



The Avanti part book says
1563228 MANIFOLD, right, exhaust-exhaust header-special order. R1, R2,
1559213 MANIFOLD, left, exhaust-exhaust header-special order. R1, R2,

and
1559213 MANIFOLD, - R3, R4, left/right.


Is this 1563228?
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282/aspalen/PICT4982.jpg
Regards Lennart...

JDP
03-13-2007, 05:10 PM
Now, that's a rare puppy.

64 Commander 2 dr.
64 GT Hawk R2 clone
64 Daytona HT
63 Cruiser
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
03-13-2007, 05:10 PM
Now, that's a rare puppy.

64 Commander 2 dr.
64 GT Hawk R2 clone
64 Daytona HT
63 Cruiser
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

StudeRich
03-13-2007, 06:23 PM
Yes Lennart, That's the one I have that I got in 1966 at Paxton Products Div. of Studebaker in Santa Monica, CA. It is for Larks and Hawks not Avanti.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-13-2007, 06:23 PM
Yes Lennart, That's the one I have that I got in 1966 at Paxton Products Div. of Studebaker in Santa Monica, CA. It is for Larks and Hawks not Avanti.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Stude4x4
03-13-2007, 08:49 PM
Yeah, Avanti mounted the alternator off the supercharger bracket. I put the R3 headers on my 64 Champ. I just took a piece of 3/16" angle iron and made a bracket to bolt off of the two head bolts. Worked out great.

Jake

-Home of John Studebaker-
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/http://varozza4x4.com
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_505911685npTTka_fs.jpghttp://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_FullSize.jpghttp://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_normal_scan.jpg

Stude4x4
03-13-2007, 08:49 PM
Yeah, Avanti mounted the alternator off the supercharger bracket. I put the R3 headers on my 64 Champ. I just took a piece of 3/16" angle iron and made a bracket to bolt off of the two head bolts. Worked out great.

Jake

-Home of John Studebaker-
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/http://varozza4x4.com
http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_505911685npTTka_fs.jpghttp://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_FullSize.jpghttp://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/stude4x4/th_normal_scan.jpg

Jessie J.
03-13-2007, 10:18 PM
Yep,that's the one I remembered, they only cast them out of unobtainium, (that's why they are so rare)
Years ago, I bought the headers for my Daytona off from Ted Harbit's table at South Bend, it wasn't till I got them home that I noticed there was no provision for mounting the alternator, I e-mailed Ted, and he sent out the mounting bracket and special head-bolts.
The bracket he sent was machined out of around 3/4" steel and was heavy, it will probably still be around when the rest of the car has dissolved back into dust.

Jessie J.
03-13-2007, 10:18 PM
Yep,that's the one I remembered, they only cast them out of unobtainium, (that's why they are so rare)
Years ago, I bought the headers for my Daytona off from Ted Harbit's table at South Bend, it wasn't till I got them home that I noticed there was no provision for mounting the alternator, I e-mailed Ted, and he sent out the mounting bracket and special head-bolts.
The bracket he sent was machined out of around 3/4" steel and was heavy, it will probably still be around when the rest of the car has dissolved back into dust.

53k
03-14-2007, 08:44 AM
The several sets of original headers I had and sold were relatively poor quality. The halves didn't line up well and made a rough inside passage. These were sets I took off three cars, a '63 Avanti R-1, a '60 Hawk and a '64 GT. I never thought about the difference, but the Hawk sets were probably the ones with the alternator mount cast in (grrr!).


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
03-14-2007, 08:44 AM
The several sets of original headers I had and sold were relatively poor quality. The halves didn't line up well and made a rough inside passage. These were sets I took off three cars, a '63 Avanti R-1, a '60 Hawk and a '64 GT. I never thought about the difference, but the Hawk sets were probably the ones with the alternator mount cast in (grrr!).


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine