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Stude4x4
02-27-2007, 10:20 AM
Many years ago my dad started designing a diesel 259. Some have said that the Stude block is just as tough as some diesel blocks. I figure 259 because of the pin overlap. It would take lots of work, but wouldn't it be cool? GM made the 350 diesel and I've heard it was a hunk a junk. I don't see why someone couldn't make a 259 diesel. Just a thought.

Jake

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DEEPNHOCK
02-27-2007, 11:20 AM
Probably a lot less complicated to accomplish today than in your fathers day, what with the advent of electronic fuel injection.
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DEEPNHOCK
02-27-2007, 11:20 AM
Probably a lot less complicated to accomplish today than in your fathers day, what with the advent of electronic fuel injection.
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studeski
02-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Actually the Olds 350 diesel was a great highway car. Some of my customers got as much as 32 mpg with it. A lot of insurance salesman bought one after another. They loved them. Too many car salesman sold them to people who should not have bought them. The real killer was the EGR system recirculating that crap back through the intake. You could stick your fingers in the intake and pull out a handfull of black mud.



Claude Chmielewski
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studeski
02-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Actually the Olds 350 diesel was a great highway car. Some of my customers got as much as 32 mpg with it. A lot of insurance salesman bought one after another. They loved them. Too many car salesman sold them to people who should not have bought them. The real killer was the EGR system recirculating that crap back through the intake. You could stick your fingers in the intake and pull out a handfull of black mud.



Claude Chmielewski
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Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
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"One after another they volunteered how in their families and in their
communities they were expected to be responsible for their behavior, how
honesty was assumed to be the rule, not the exception. They also talked
matter-of-factly about the sense of duty to their country, a sentiment not
much in fashion anymore."

studeclunker
02-27-2007, 05:56 PM
Boy, oh Boy, I sure could have used Jake's Champ instead of mine today. It's a good thing that these old Stude motors lug along so well. Whilst climbing the driveway today, I kept repeating like a mantra; just don't stall, just don't stall...[:0];)

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studeclunker
02-27-2007, 05:56 PM
Boy, oh Boy, I sure could have used Jake's Champ instead of mine today. It's a good thing that these old Stude motors lug along so well. Whilst climbing the driveway today, I kept repeating like a mantra; just don't stall, just don't stall...[:0];)

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Lotsa Larks!
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stude freak
02-27-2007, 11:42 PM
I had an 81 olds with a Mr.Goodwrench diesel engine my wife parked her lincoln and drove the olds.Reason:35 mpg compared to 12mpg.

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

stude freak
02-27-2007, 11:42 PM
I had an 81 olds with a Mr.Goodwrench diesel engine my wife parked her lincoln and drove the olds.Reason:35 mpg compared to 12mpg.

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

loc8tor
02-28-2007, 02:50 AM
there was a diesel lark at the Martinsburg WV meet last year....

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????

loc8tor
02-28-2007, 02:50 AM
there was a diesel lark at the Martinsburg WV meet last year....

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????

John Kirchhoff
02-28-2007, 10:58 AM
The biggest problem with the Chevy 350 diesel was the block. It was strong enough when used as a gas engine but with diesel use, especially hard use in a truck, the block flexed too much. According to my friend that had one, the injection pump was one of those things that worked when it worked, but when it didn't, you went and bought a new one for $1000.

John Kirchhoff
02-28-2007, 10:58 AM
The biggest problem with the Chevy 350 diesel was the block. It was strong enough when used as a gas engine but with diesel use, especially hard use in a truck, the block flexed too much. According to my friend that had one, the injection pump was one of those things that worked when it worked, but when it didn't, you went and bought a new one for $1000.

Stude4x4
02-28-2007, 03:33 PM
quote:The biggest problem with the Chevy 350 diesel was the block.

My points exactly John. Sooo... back to my original question do you think a 259 could handle it?

Jake

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Stude4x4
02-28-2007, 03:33 PM
quote:The biggest problem with the Chevy 350 diesel was the block.

My points exactly John. Sooo... back to my original question do you think a 259 could handle it?

Jake

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gordr
02-28-2007, 04:30 PM
Jake, I have often asked myself the same question. I think the Stude block and crank could indeed handle the demands of Diesel operation. You'd need custom pistons and rods; that'd probably be doable, given the abundance of aftermarket piston and rod builders. A special camshaft? I don't know what sort of cam grind a Diesel needs. Blanks could be a problem if the lobes are radically different from the timing/profile for a gasoline engine cam.

I think the heads, and the injection pump drive would be the biggest hurdles.

BTW, the GM 350 Diesel was built on an Olds block, not a Chevy, IIRC.

If somebody were to build a Diesel Studebaker, one of the small 4 or 6 cylinder Nissan engines would be a good choice.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
02-28-2007, 04:30 PM
Jake, I have often asked myself the same question. I think the Stude block and crank could indeed handle the demands of Diesel operation. You'd need custom pistons and rods; that'd probably be doable, given the abundance of aftermarket piston and rod builders. A special camshaft? I don't know what sort of cam grind a Diesel needs. Blanks could be a problem if the lobes are radically different from the timing/profile for a gasoline engine cam.

I think the heads, and the injection pump drive would be the biggest hurdles.

BTW, the GM 350 Diesel was built on an Olds block, not a Chevy, IIRC.

If somebody were to build a Diesel Studebaker, one of the small 4 or 6 cylinder Nissan engines would be a good choice.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

arkiejazz
02-28-2007, 04:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Jake, I have often asked myself the same question. I think the Stude block and crank could indeed handle the demands of Diesel operation. You'd need custom pistons and rods; that'd probably be doable, given the abundance of aftermarket piston and rod builders. A special camshaft? I don't know what sort of cam grind a Diesel needs. Blanks could be a problem if the lobes are radically different from the timing/profile for a gasoline engine cam.

I think the heads, and the injection pump drive would be the biggest hurdles.

BTW, the GM 350 Diesel was built on an Olds block, not a Chevy, IIRC.

If somebody were to build a Diesel Studebaker, one of the small 4 or 6 cylinder Nissan engines would be a good choice.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

[:o)]Gord, are you talking about the same Nissan Diesel that International Harvester used in the Scout?

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arkiejazz
02-28-2007, 04:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Jake, I have often asked myself the same question. I think the Stude block and crank could indeed handle the demands of Diesel operation. You'd need custom pistons and rods; that'd probably be doable, given the abundance of aftermarket piston and rod builders. A special camshaft? I don't know what sort of cam grind a Diesel needs. Blanks could be a problem if the lobes are radically different from the timing/profile for a gasoline engine cam.

I think the heads, and the injection pump drive would be the biggest hurdles.

BTW, the GM 350 Diesel was built on an Olds block, not a Chevy, IIRC.

If somebody were to build a Diesel Studebaker, one of the small 4 or 6 cylinder Nissan engines would be a good choice.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

[:o)]Gord, are you talking about the same Nissan Diesel that International Harvester used in the Scout?

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costatlc
02-28-2007, 04:45 PM
We had the "78 Old Diesel and I'm assuming that's the same engine referenced here. Wasn't that a Perkins conversion kit that GM used?

Tom
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costatlc
02-28-2007, 04:45 PM
We had the "78 Old Diesel and I'm assuming that's the same engine referenced here. Wasn't that a Perkins conversion kit that GM used?

Tom
Three Rivers, CA
1955 Commander 4 dr