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barnlark
04-16-2010, 12:23 AM
Picked this up this week. It's been tucked away in the same shop since the early seventies. Original heads and supercharger were used for a recent R1 Avanti upgrade. Not sure what I'm going to do with it, but it's a real one and turns freely. I can bring it to SB if anyone is interested. Not sure I want to invest in getting it complete again. For someone who may be thinking of cloning a R2 but who would rather desire an original R2 short block with which to start, here it is. It was mated to a four speed with 4:55 gears one warm April morning in South Bend, 1963. [8D]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0634.jpg

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bams50
04-16-2010, 04:19 AM
WOW-WEE! Nice start for that wagon you know is going to find you someday;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA
Ephesians 6:10-17

wise raymond
04-16-2010, 05:31 AM
hi barnlark how much i,am looking for one don,t know what there worth.thanks again.ray wise

rawise

barnlark
04-16-2010, 05:55 AM
Still thinking about what my reserve might be.

candbstudebakers
04-16-2010, 08:29 AM
Hard being a vendor right???? now you need to set a price...ha ha ha

Candbstudebakers
Castro Valley,
California

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irish
04-16-2010, 11:47 AM
That's exactly what I need! I was going to try and locate a full-flow 289 shortblock to use. I have the R2 heads and supercharger setup. Where are you located?

Joe

StudeMichael
04-16-2010, 12:10 PM
That block is a replacement block with the serial number stamped on it. You can tell by the clover leaf stamped on it.

sals54
04-16-2010, 12:45 PM
I'm not trying to be contentious, but I'm not sure that's a clover leaf. I just checked my JTS block and its got a "keystone" stamped on it. It looks the same as the one shown in the pictures above. I was told the "keystone" should just mean its a heavy duty. Some Avanti engines have them, some do not. Another one of those Studebaker anomalies.

sals54
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mbstude
04-16-2010, 12:50 PM
That's a "keystone" as I've heard it been called. My '63 259 that's in my Orange truck has the same thing stamped in it, along with the engine number.

StudeRich
04-16-2010, 12:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

That block is a replacement block with the serial number stamped on it. You can tell by the clover leaf stamped on it.


That is not a clover leaf, it is a Keystone apparently with an Inspector's stamp number in the center, used on SOME factory line installed engines that were spot checked, NOT a replacement, they are blank, some with a clover leaf. This one is poorly stamped.

StudeRich

StudeMichael
04-16-2010, 01:53 PM
If the mark on the block is not a clover leaf, what does one look like?

Skinnys Garage
04-16-2010, 02:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

If the mark on the block is not a clover leaf, what does one look like?
Here's my cloverleaf HD replacement engine in my '61 Police car. It shows the cloverleaf and the inspection stamp. you can almost make out the whole inspection stamp with what looks like the number 77 in it. I've usually just seen one edge of the inspection stamp like on Dave's block. If I understand correctly, the inspection stamp or "keystone" was used more often on HD or performance engines for quality checks.

On another subject, what's different inside the HD engine over a standard engine? I know it's suppose to have an aluminum timing gear and HD bearings, but is that it? Just curious.[8D]

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/stamp.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/f893982a.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

barnlark
04-16-2010, 02:34 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, Scott. Good picture info for future reference. I have the history of this engine and in which Avanti it was originally installed from the factory.
By the way, it is now sold. Sorry to anyone else who may have been interested. It went to the first response. Good thing, first it's the supercharger, then the brakes, then suspension...whew.

sals54
04-16-2010, 02:56 PM
Here's another image of the keystone, laying on its side of course. For those who are unfamiliar, the keystone is that stone which is found at the top of a stone archway. Its not only decorative, but its the locking stone which keeps the arch strong. ( just a little aside, mind you )


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/IMG_2164.jpg

sals54
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StudeRich
04-16-2010, 02:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skinnys Garage

On another subject, what's different inside the HD engine over a standard engine? I know it's suppose to have an aluminum timing gear and HD bearings, but is that it? Just curious.[8D]

That's it pretty much, only the 3 intermediate main Bearings are Clevite 77 Tri-Metal, the rod bearings are also. If this was originally a H.D. Truck Engine with the Truck heads it MAY still have the Perfect Circle Roto-Caps, (valve rotators) and special valve springs. Nothing else is special. :)

In a Police car, probably not.

StudeRich

StudeMichael
04-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Thank you guys! All these years I thought the key stone mark was the mark described as the clover mark. Now I see there really was a clover leaf mark that looks like the plant.

Silverplate
04-19-2010, 11:11 AM
For a newbie where is the block location stamped? Thanks.

studebaker-R2-4-me
04-19-2010, 02:43 PM
Drivers side, front of block stamp tab where the valley pan is.

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1964 R2 GT Hawk
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1963 Daytona Convertible
Oakville, Ontario.
Hamilton Chapter

barnlark
04-19-2010, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by studebaker-R2-4-me

Drivers side, front of block stamp tab where the valley pan is.

I wondered when you'd finally catch on to that less than subtle tribute to the black cloud Hawk's owner. [:o)];):D
Originally posted by Silverplate
For a newbie where is the block location stamped? Thanks.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/53-64engineID.jpg

StudeRich
04-19-2010, 09:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

I wondered when you'd finally catch on to that less than subtle [u]tribute to the black cloud Hawk's owner.</u>[/b] [:o)];):D

Dave, for us mere mortals here on Planet Earth, could you give us a clue what the heck you outer solar system beings are talking about? [:0] :D

StudeRich

barnlark
04-20-2010, 12:26 AM
Rich, Allen has had a few bad luck instances in the last couple of years (many posted here on the forum if you paid attention) with his beautiful black GT Hawk; hence the "black cloud" reference. He is one determined Studebaker driver, though and those guys from Canada have a great sense of humor and are awful darn fun at any meet that I get to see them.

His member name is studebaker-R2-4-me. My topic title was just having fun because that was my first ownership of a R2. He got it, I'm sure.

He's a busy college student as well, so he doesn't have time to check all the threads in my solar system. Nothing too deep, sorry for the confusion. :D