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Stude Mick
04-11-2010, 12:34 AM
I am planning on removing the engine and transmission out of my Avanti, its an R1 4 speed. Should I pull the motor and transmission out seperatly or as a unit. Any Tips? Please help

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia

1955 Commander Coupe
1961 Lark Cruiser
1962 GT Hawk
1963 Avanti R1

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silverhawk
04-11-2010, 12:38 AM
I think I would pull them out seperatly, since you might risk damaging fiberglass with a long assembly; and you don't have the advantage of removable front fenders. :( You would have to take the tranny out first, and support the engine in someway, to keep it from dropping. Then, after you unbolt the engine mounts, and unhook all the attached hoses and wires, pull it right up and out. [8D]

Dylan Wills
Everett, Wa.
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Stude Mick
04-11-2010, 12:41 AM
Hey John good idea. Thanks

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia

1955 Commander Coupe
1961 Lark Cruiser
1962 GT Hawk
1963 Avanti R1

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sweetolbob
04-11-2010, 08:55 AM
I pulled the SBC/200R4 out of my 83 separately.

The problem with pulling the complete unit is the length. With most cars, you can remove the grill/radiator assembly and remove at a much shallower angle. The Avanti does not allow that option.

It is possible if you have a great deal of height and an engine leveler but in my 8 ft ceiling height pole barn, I could not figure out a good safe (for the Avanti) way to do it.

Bob

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okc63avanti
04-11-2010, 09:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by Stude Mick

I am planning on removing the engine and transmission out of my Avanti, its an R1 4 speed. Should I pull the motor and transmission out seperatly or as a unit. Any Tips? Please help

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia


Michael if you will send me an email, I will send you an Adobe Acrobat Reader (pdf) file of the scanned pages from the Avanti manual describing how to remove and install an engine.

mailto: okgrahams@atlinkwifi.com


John

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JDP
04-11-2010, 12:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

I think I would pull them out seperatly, since you might risk damaging fiberglass with a long assembly; and you don't have the advantage of removable front fenders. :( You would have to take the tranny out first, and support the engine in someway, to keep it from dropping. Then, after you unbolt the engine mounts, and unhook all the attached hoses and wires, pull it right up and out. [8D]

Dylan Wills
Everett, Wa.
http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/carpet008.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon



There is no transmission mount and no need to support the engine when just removing the transmission. You do know the mount is on the bell housing ? I pull even the Power shift as a assembly, just do it nose high and have a helper tilt it flat to clear the nose. I have no idea why you are talking about removable front fenders being asset, I've pulled dozens and never had a fender issue.
Maybe you are thinking of cars other than Studebakers ?

JDP
04-11-2010, 12:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

I pulled the SBC/200R4 out of my 83 separately.

The problem with pulling the complete unit is the length. With most cars, you can remove the grill/radiator assembly and remove at a much shallower angle. The Avanti does not allow that option.

It is possible if you have a great deal of height and an engine leveler but in my 8 ft ceiling height pole barn, I could not figure out a good safe (for the Avanti) way to do it.

Bob

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/P1000416.jpg?t=1227109182, http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/031-1.jpg?t=1254424814


Good point about the height issue. If you are trying to do it with a chain fall in the garage, it's a different deal than outside with a engine lift. Here's how I install a drive line, with the engine on a chain so you can tilt it as needed with a helper (N8)

http://stude.com/R2GT/R2rebuild3.jpg

JDP Maryland

WCP
04-11-2010, 12:38 PM
What JDP says is what I always do. Pull the engine/trans as an assembly. You need to drain the trans or put a spare slip yoke in to retain the oil. Close couple the engine lift to the engine in line with the rear of the intake manifold location. When suspended the assembly will hang at approx 45 degrees. Remove the cross member with the trans rear on a floor jack and lower the trans rear to the floor. Lift the engine up until bell housing contacts the tunnel and then move the assembly forward. Repeat these steps until the engine clears the padded top of the front fibreglass panel. As you continue to move the engine forward and up, due to leverage, it will take very little effort to lift the tail of the trans over the front panel if you run out of lift height. I usually do this by myself but I have a smooth floor in the shop and a 10' ceiling. If you e-mail me, I can forward a picture of an assembly on the way in. I'm not set up to post pictures.
I forgot to mention that the front wheels need to be turned full left or right to move the bellcrank and tie-rods for greater clearance. It's a good idea to drop a pad or cardboard over the bellcrank/tie-rod to protect the engine pan from dings or scuffs if it comes in contact with them. I'm used to doing this on fully detailed cars, and with a little care, no paint scrapes should occur.

Colgate Studebaker
04-11-2010, 09:41 PM
Everyone has their own preferences, minr being pulling the trans first. As said before, I also have a low ceiling, so getting the whole assembly out together is quite difficult. Pulling the trans is no picnic, but it sure makes pulling the engine easy to do. With enough height it is more convenient to pull them together, just a little more jockeying around. Just my two cents worth, B.V.

52 Ragtop
04-12-2010, 07:33 AM
I have the enginne out of my 63 Avanti, i pulled the engine and trans as an assy. As soon as the new ring gear gets hear, it's going back in as an assy. It DOES take 2 people! It's even more fun when you're working around a freshly painted body!

Jim

silverhawk
04-12-2010, 09:15 AM
My bad! Yes, I was thinking of some other cars as well; my dad owns a tranny shop, so I get confused sometimes.[:I]

As far as the fenders go, I think of that as a asset for it you are nervous like me of damaging them, or need abit more space.;)


quote:Originally posted by JDP


quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

I think I would pull them out seperatly, since you might risk damaging fiberglass with a long assembly; and you don't have the advantage of removable front fenders. :( You would have to take the tranny out first, and support the engine in someway, to keep it from dropping. Then, after you unbolt the engine mounts, and unhook all the attached hoses and wires, pull it right up and out. [8D]

Dylan Wills
Everett, Wa.
http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/carpet008.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon



There is no transmission mount and no need to support the engine when just removing the transmission. You do know the mount is on the bell housing ? I pull even the Power shift as a assembly, just do it nose high and have a helper tilt it flat to clear the nose. I have no idea why you are talking about removable front fenders being asset, I've pulled dozens and never had a fender issue.
Maybe you are thinking of cars other than Studebakers ?



Dylan Wills
Everett, Wa.
http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/carpet008.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

Stude Mick
04-13-2010, 04:11 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice, still a bit unsure how im going to do it, ill have to have a think about it and make a decision before the weekend

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia

1955 Commander Coupe
1961 Lark Cruiser
1962 GT Hawk
1963 Avanti R1

http://www.studebakercarclub.net/amd05a.jpg http://www.studebakercarclub.net/micksavanti.jpg http://www.studebakercarclub.net/mickscommander.jpg

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grobb284
04-13-2010, 05:58 AM
Since you are in Australia, and on the other side of the world upside down, if you losen the bolts, won't the engine and trans just fall out?;)

1963 Studebaker Avanti: LS1 motor and T-56 transmission have been moved rearward, set up as a two seat coupe with independent rear suspension.

davepink53
04-17-2010, 05:54 AM
well we undone the engine mounts, but it did not fall up and out.:D Today we had a late start because Mick had to work (Saturday) but we decided to pull the gearbox first. Gee it was great fun undoing the top bolts on the trans. Tomorrow morning we will lift the motor out and start cleaning up!

Dave Pink
Victoria, Australia

1913 SA25 Town Car
1916 SF Roadster
1925 ER Tourer
1925 Panel Delivery
1953 Champion Sedan
1957 Golden Hawk
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DEEPNHOCK
04-17-2010, 06:43 AM
Don't set it down on the oil pan.