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Invalid User Name
03-02-2010, 06:16 AM
Is it a coincidence that a car that is known for premature rusting should have a loyal following that is equally as thin skinned? It seems that the popular thing to do now is leave the forum. Im sure that not one person on here had there parents tell them Honey, as soon as someone disagrees with you or hurts your feelings, you just quit and come home. If I had ever walked away from a fight, my old man would have beaten me.
Everyone came to this forum voluntarily. No one was forced or paid that I know of. We come here because we enjoy it. It is a great place to see beautiful cars and to meet other like minded people. We can also learn a lot if we want to. If you come here to be stroked, complimented or loved, then you are probably in the wrong place. I have had people question me, insult me and in general be pretty inconsiderate of me. So what! I will keep posting the way I want until the forum moderator cuts me off.
I realize that there have been some unpleasant threads lately. That is going to keep happening until we get a team of moderators set up to keep things in line. Until that happens though, we should just tough it out and not quit every time someone says something we dont like.


Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/w4jdz/Stu-1.jpg

Starlight
03-02-2010, 06:34 AM
WELL SAID DOUG.....Keep on Studebakering

55champion
03-02-2010, 07:33 AM
Good advice , thanks Doug

BobGlasscock
03-02-2010, 07:37 AM
I certainly don't understand all of this quitting stuff. Just don't get it. Maybe I live in a Pollyanna world, but I do know that each of us has our own opinion, and a right to it. I have had people offer differing opinions from mine, and it just doesn't bother me. After all, mine is different from someone else's.

There is SO much knowledge out there among our members, and when one quits we lose a wealth of knowledge. Not fair to us dummies.



'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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8E45E
03-02-2010, 08:27 AM
This 'Seasonal Affective Disorder' to afflict some every year, and it affects their actions. Time to recognize the symptoms and get medical attention perhaps???;)

2009: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28127&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=seasonal

2008: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15664&SearchTerms=seasonal

Craig

Kurt
03-02-2010, 08:28 AM
It is time for us to step up. Yes we have lost some very good contributors, but I bet there are some great people out there who have traditionally been lurkers. They need to have their voice be heard and carry on for the sake of Studebakering. If we can turn this into something fun and positive again people will come back. If they don't that is their choice.

66 Commander R1 Clone
51 Commander 4dr

Flashback
03-02-2010, 08:58 AM
Y'all can't git rid of me that easy. I agree
with you guys. This is all great fun to me. I
learn from it, and hope I can help others some.
This is not rocket science, and most of the time,
no one's life depends on the decisions made here.
Easy does it, and lighten up, can go a long way.
I miss some of the one's that are not posting, but
I also enjoy the one's here.:);)

Tex in Alabama
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woodysrods
03-02-2010, 10:39 AM
Well put Doug. I agree whole heartedly. Some of us can be a little sarcastic at times without meaning to offend.
Good Roads.:(
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
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JGK 940
03-02-2010, 12:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

This 'Seasonal Affective Disorder'

2009: (link)

2008: (link)



Craig, couldn't have said it better myself. :) Last year I tried defusing it with the "You might be a CASO" thread. Maybe I should think about making that an annual project, starting right after Christmas?

OBTW: There's still no snow on Mauna Kea, folks, but it's rained here almost all day every day for a week EXCEPT Tsunami Tsaturday. THAT was bright and clear and HOT. [8D]

Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

sweetolbob
03-02-2010, 12:18 PM
Well said Doug.

As I've said previously, I do not understand how leaving the forum in a pique forwards the Marque that most of the ex-residents profess to hold dear.[?][?]

Bob

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Andy R.
03-02-2010, 04:28 PM
+1

Andy
62 GT

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bams50
03-02-2010, 05:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Invalid User Name

We come here because we enjoy it. It is a great place to see beautiful cars and to meet other like minded people. We can also learn a lot if we want to. If you come here to be stroked, complimented or loved, then you are probably in the wrong place. I have had people question me, insult me and in general be pretty inconsiderate of me. So what! I will keep posting the way I want until the forum moderator cuts me off.


Doug, you nailed my sentiments as well. You and Lori have written excellent posts right when they were needed, so please allow me to tie hers with yours:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=39176

It's great to see good folks ready- and able- to step in and push back the poison that tries to sneak in here from time to time. Big thanks![^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

starliner62
03-02-2010, 05:07 PM
My momma always said,"if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.":)

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

jallen
03-03-2010, 01:46 AM
You may be missing the point. Most sane people realize that even
when they are right on an issue, others may disagree. It happens.
And even though the person who disagrees is wrong, there is no harm.
But when a person resorts to name calling and insults, that is a
different issue, and when other forum members don't object, that
is a problem. We should act like adults, even if we find that
difficult. The notion that we need a moderator to step in and
referee these disputes could be the problem. It should be
understood that stupid immature behavior is not acceptable, and
not tolerated.

Invalid User Name
03-03-2010, 04:36 AM
James, you are 100% right, but we are dealing with human beings. Whenever you get a group of people together some of them are going to be disagreeable. I belong to several forums - RVs, dogs, kayaking, hiking, and fishing - the best ones are the ones that have moderators that keep things from getting out of hand. Life happens and unfortunately, we are not all mature, grown up people.

Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/w4jdz/Stu-1.jpg

Nitram
03-03-2010, 12:09 PM
[|)]YAAAAWWWN!![|)]

[|)]SIGH!![|)]

Same old same old. The whole issue makes me tired...and I rarely post here.

jbwhttail
03-03-2010, 08:33 PM
It is hard to calm down and pretend everything is "OK" when many folks know that in the last 6 months so many people have quit posting.I enjoyed reading Mr Palma's informative posts, his humor AND his views as an AMERICAN. Sadly he is no longer posting here, so I read another forum.

I see here what has happened to so many other forums I visit that prospered and then whithered, "cliques". Some read here for information andto share, others are here to profit. I seem to remember...

rule #2 "Only one (1) posting per week will be accepted listing vehicles or items for sale from each participant."

But that only applies if you are on the outside.

I don't need Ebay links I visit there, :D

A non Studebaker related forum was created for general discussions, when the topics were related to our current President(Obama) they vanished.>>>>And so did many people who posted here.

People loyal to Studebaker have not left the hobby but .........they have left a web site that is catering to a select few.:(

Rules are Rules folks and they have not been applied or applied equally.



It is an addiction!

Chris_Dresbach
03-03-2010, 09:23 PM
Well said, agree![^]:)

Chris Dresbach
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1940 Champion two door.
Parts of the 1952 Model N

Milaca
03-03-2010, 09:41 PM
I appreciate those that post here with Studebakers and parts to sell. If they did not advertised them here, I may not know that they were for sale and I would then miss out on an oppurtunity to purchase them.

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Autumn at Lake Barget
In the middle of Minnestudea

Skip Lackie
03-04-2010, 09:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by jbwhttail

It is hard to calm down and pretend everything is "OK" when many folks know that in the last 6 months so many people have quit posting.I enjoyed reading Mr Palma's informative posts, his humor AND his views as an AMERICAN. Sadly he is no longer posting here, so I read another forum.

I see here what has happened to so many other forums I visit that prospered and then whithered, "cliques". Some read here for information andto share, others are here to profit. I seem to remember...

rule #2 "Only one (1) posting per week will be accepted listing vehicles or items for sale from each participant."

But that only applies if you are on the outside.

I don't need Ebay links I visit there, :D

A non Studebaker related forum was created for general discussions, when the topics were related to our current President(Obama) they vanished.>>>>And so did many people who posted here.

People loyal to Studebaker have not left the hobby but .........they have left a web site that is catering to a select few.:(

Rules are Rules folks and they have not been applied or applied equally.



It is an addiction!

I hesitate to enter this fray because I'm not sure I'll say anything that hasn't been said before, and therefore will not have made any useful contributions. And I am not really sure I fully understand the above posting, so it's possible this will be off target.

This forum was created so SDC members and other Stude nuts could exchange info about our/their vehicles. Later, the Stovehugger's page was added to allow us to talk about other vehicle makes, garage construction, air conditioning repair -- you name it. The only prohibitiions were the hot-button issues like politics and religion -- the only significant areas where: (1) we differ greatly in our views, and (2) where opinions are often very passionately held and even more passionately expressed. Allowing discussion of them would very rapidly turn this forum into something other than Stude, and might drive away even more contributors than we have already lost.

Since I don't know why some regular members dropped out, I can't comment on their decision-making. Some apparently did it because they were peeved that the Webmaster deleted one of their posts. Others have mentioned that checking this thing a dozen times a day was taking up too much of their time. I think I can understand the latter problem.

I can easily understand how an entirely appropriate discussion of gas mileage could rapidly devolve into a discussion of the EPA's role in enforcing CAFE standards and establishing other rules. This would also probably be okay, as long as it focused on the competence of the EPA and its constant politics-vs-science challenges. But accusing the EPA of being a bunch of Fascist bureaucrats is going too far. Unsubstaniated brickbats don't contribute much to the expansion of knowledge and indicate that we have probably wandered too far off our path.

There are literally hundreds of forums and blogs established soley to allow folks to vent about politics and other hot-button issues. But this is the only one devoted to Studetalk. We should try to keep it focused on where it belongs.

It's easy to place the blame on our Webmaster, but all he's doing is enforcing the rules established by the board of directors. All indications are that the board is very happy with Bob's performance in this area -- so if you think he is being too heavy handed, express your views to your board member. Criticizing Bob accomplishes nothing except to raise the tension in the room.

I happen to think that this is a great Website and Forum -- informative, entertaining, and fun. Maybe it just needs a little occasional tweaking.

Skip Lackie
Board member, Atlantic Zone