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ST2DE5
02-28-2010, 09:30 AM
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fastfritz
02-28-2010, 09:35 AM
The Valiant and Lancer are two of Mopar' offerings that -no matter WHAT you did- you could not make them look any better. Two of the ugliest designs in the automotive world. [xx(][xx(] I'll take the LARK any day!

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ddub
02-28-2010, 09:55 AM
Which 6 cyl engine would you rather have?

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bams50
02-28-2010, 10:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by ddub

Which 6 cyl engine would you rather have?



Slant 6, hands down for me!

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N8N
02-28-2010, 10:12 AM
depends on what years you're talking about. I think the 65-66 Darts in particular are nice looking small cars. Now the early 60's ones... yeah, fugly.

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COMMANDERPINK1
02-28-2010, 10:24 AM
Yes the slant 6 gets my vote we had an older engine stuck in a 70 Dart and we just beat the crap out of it til the rear spring front perch came up thru the floor from rust.
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jackb
02-28-2010, 11:44 AM
anybody got the sales figures by comparison ??

fastfritz
02-28-2010, 02:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by jackb

anybody got the sales figures by comparison ??


1962 Lark 6:
54397

1962 Lark 8:
38607

1962 Valiant:
V100 2 dr: 19679
V100 4 dr: 33769
V200 2 dr: 8484
V200 4 dr: 55789

1962 Dodge Lancer:
Lancer 170: 19780
Lancer 770: 30888

Now, if you could get the Mopar "Leaning Tower of Power" under the hood of the Lark, then you would have a great package (as far as 6 cylinder performance/MPG is concerned). [8D]

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okc63avanti
02-28-2010, 02:57 PM
I learned to drive on a 1969 Dodge Dart with a 225 CID slant six and a 3 speed on column. The initial version (new in 1959) was 170 CID and put out 101 BHP & 155 ft-lbs. The 225 CID put out 145 BHP & 215 ft-lbs. Mopar quit the use of the slant six in US cars in 1983; US trucks in 1987; and marine use until 1991. When they closed the Trenton engine plant the slant six was continued in use in S. America being built at a plant in Toluca, Mexico until 2003. The slant six was replaced with the 3.9L magnum V6.

Here's a great resource with info: http://www.allpar.com/slant6.html

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kurtruk
02-28-2010, 03:08 PM
And with a little maintaince, the Slant 6 was easily good for 400,000 miles![:0]

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stude62
02-28-2010, 03:17 PM
I had a 225 slant six in a '77 Plymouth Volare Station Wagon when I was in college. That engine used a quart of oil every 1,000 miles - nothing seemed to work in fixing it. HOWEVER, its power was superior to just about anything I have owned - V-8, V-6 or boxer 4, and silky smooth to anything I have driven except my two Maxima's with the Z V-6 engines. The Slant Six was responsive, and if it was working hard, you never could tell.

And that car itself - save for the rust issues, has been my all time favorite, and most reliable car with the exception of my two Maxima's. Had it not rusted into dust, I would still have it.



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Gary1953
02-28-2010, 03:35 PM
Posted - 02/28/2010 : 09:35:53 AM
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The Valiant and Lancer are two of Mopar' offerings that -no matter WHAT you did- you could not make them look any better. Two of the ugliest designs in the automotive world. I'll take the LARK any day!

Frank Remlinger
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In my neighborhood we called them space ships. I agree with you.

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StudeRich
02-28-2010, 03:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by kurtruk

And with a little maintaince, the Slant 6 was easily good for 400,000 miles![:0]

Unfortunatetly that "MAINTENCE" would involve about three or four complete rebuilds and heavy duty STEEL aftermarket timing sprocket replacement at 70 to 100,000 miles or you would have a clogged oil pump pickup screen, wasted rods, and maybe mains with the chunks of the OEM plastic timing sprocket tooth coating! [xx(]

Other than that, a great little engine! [^]

A bit of personal experience here! [xx(]

StudeRich

bams50
03-01-2010, 04:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich


quote:Originally posted by kurtruk

And with a little maintaince, the Slant 6 was easily good for 400,000 miles![:0]

Unfortunatetly that "MAINTENCE" would involve about three or four complete rebuilds and heavy duty STEEL aftermarket timing sprocket replacement at 70 to 100,000 miles or you would have a clogged oil pump pickup screen, wasted rods, and maybe mains with the chunks of the OEM plastic timing sprocket tooth coating! [xx(]

Other than that, a great little engine! [^]

A bit of personal experience here! [xx(]



That's pretty rare, Rich. I had probably over a hundred or so over the years and NEVER had any of those problems. I never had one apart, EVER. I sent many to the crusher running perfectly because there was nothing left of the rest of the car, and they were so bullet-proof they weren't worth squat since no one ever needed them. I saw plenty of them go several hundred thousand miles over the years, and again, never any problems.

I used to but those early 70s Swingers and Valiants that had rusted torsion bar pockets; we'd jack them up, back the adjustment bolt all the way off, twist the pocket back where it belonged, plate it, turn the bolt back in, and drive. Many times I bought one for $25-$50 laying on the ground and fixed it and drove. Eventually the other one would go, then the rear spring mounts would go up through the trunk. As they let go we'd fix 'em and continue driving; had the repairs down to a science.

Great cars that I will always have a soft spot for[^]

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53k
03-01-2010, 07:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by okc63avanti

I learned to drive on a 1969 Dodge Dart with a 225 CID slant six and a 3 speed on column. The initial version (new in 1959) was 170 CID and put out 101 BHP & 155 ft-lbs. The 225 CID put out 145 BHP & 215 ft-lbs. Mopar quit the use of the slant six in US cars in 1983; US trucks in 1987; and marine use until 1991. When they closed the Trenton engine plant the slant six was continued in use in S. America being built at a plant in Toluca, Mexico until 2003. The slant six was replaced with the 3.9L magnum V6.

I don't remember what years, but Chrysler offered a souped up version of the 225- four barrel carb plus. It was a screamer.



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8E45E
03-01-2010, 08:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by COMMANDERPINK1

Yes the slant 6 gets my vote we had an older engine stuck in a 70 Dart and we just beat the crap out of it til the rear spring front perch came up thru the floor from rust.


I drove a slant-six '74 Dodge Dart for two winters. Excellent little car for that. Mine was VERY plain with three options: Automatic, AM radio, and the Light Package which included the fender-mount turn indicators.[8D] It was the worst color of all, the tan which was faded to a putty color.

Craig

Turbopackman
03-01-2010, 01:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by 53k


I don't remember what years, but Chrysler offered a souped up version of the 225- four barrel carb plus. It was a screamer.



That would be the famed "Hyper Pack" setup I believe. The reason why these engines were so good is they were originally designed to be cast out of aluminum, but problems with the casting process had them switch to cast iron. You can still find aluminum ones, but I think they're all 170cid or thereabouts.

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Lark Hunter
03-01-2010, 09:20 PM
Funny no one mentioned the styling of the 116" wheelbase cars (Dart, Polara, Belvedere, etc.) listed on the bottom of the comparison sheet. Their wacky styling (especially the Dodge) makes the Valiant/Lancer twins look rather tame. LH

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lark55
03-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Myself and two friends ran an aluminum /6 with an iron head in the six cylinder class back in the late 60's at the local circle track. We were competitive with the f*rds and ch@vies even tho they were running a lot more cubes. I have to agree with the styling on the early Valiants and Lancers, it was strange to say the least.

okc63avanti
03-01-2010, 10:19 PM
I think this discussion is interesting in that the Studebaker Lark beat the big three to a compact/midsize car market. Mopar introduced the Valiant & Lancer (Dart) models; Ford the Falcon & Comet twins, Chevy the Corvair, etc. Also the Avanti was birthed from a Lark convertible chassis while the Mustang was birthed from the Falcon chassis. The early Mopar cars may have lacked in styling, but they finally got it right. I learned to drive on a slant six 69 Dodge Dart which I think is the pinnacle of Dodge's styling year. The 69 Dart, Charger, Challenger cars are simply beautiful looking cars. When Dad bought the Dart I wished he had bought the Dodge Dart GTS. They came with the 340 CID V8; there was a Hurst edition with a 383 CID V8 and a limited number of 440 CID Darts. Next to my Avanti I would love to have one of these, the concave rear window was unique.

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John Brayton
03-01-2010, 11:36 PM
Yep,

The 1960/61/62 Valiants are ugly! And if I'm lucky, some day I'll have one with a Hurst three speed and a slant six sitting next to my 51 Studebaker coupe (that I don't own yet!).

Regards,

John Brayton