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bams50
02-21-2010, 11:10 PM
It's the only explanation I can imagine for this CL ad; what could it mean?[:o)]

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1610779634.html

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rockne10
02-21-2010, 11:35 PM
It's like James Joyce all over again yes and yes

StudeRich
02-22-2010, 01:49 AM
I think maybe what he is trying to say is he took a pic of Arkie Jazz's Champ that he sold a while back, to show that if you cut up a Lark Wagon and put a bunch of Chevy junk in it you can make it almost look as good as a real Champ pickup? And maybe he is selling the purple people eater with the broken springs! :D

Or am I sniffing the same stuff he is? :D

StudeRich

bridgegaurd
02-22-2010, 03:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

It's the only explanation I can imagine for this CL ad; what could it mean?[:o)]

Not sure about the smokin, but i can tell you i have seen this car and it is drop dead pretty from twenty feet away. I never could cathc up with it to get a close up view. It has been on CL 10 forevers, and i'm sure it may be worth the 37k (last price i got on it) it's to old a build for (inmy opinion) to lay out that kind of jing. If i remember correctly it has had three owners.

bams50
02-22-2010, 04:25 AM
quote:Originally posted by bridgegaurd

Not sure about the smokin, but i can tell you i have seen this car and it is drop dead pretty from twenty feet away.


Phil, I see a Champ pickup and a Larkamino, but no "2/Door wagon". I too have seen the Larkamino listed several times, but the listing was always coherent and didn't have Every Letter Capitalized[xx(] It doesn't make any sense, and in fact looks like it was put together by someone stonedhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0015.gif

I wonder if the lister will see it today- sober- and embarrassedly have it pulled[:I]

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Invalid User Name
02-22-2010, 04:39 AM
I don't speak stoner so I guess I won't be able to help. If he doesn't clean that ad up he isn't going to get much response.

Doug
Venice, Florida
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9G F1
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COMMANDERPINK1
02-22-2010, 05:58 AM
WHAT?
Tom

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Guido
02-22-2010, 06:01 AM
Not to be contrary but I have some questions about this post and its reasoning in general:

How did you reach the conclusion he was "high"?
Have you created any Studebaker customs that would provide a basis for judging the work of others?
Is there a justifiable reason for making inferences that the lister is a substance abuser?
How does this post further the Studebaker hobby?
It seems that there are a lot of posts similar to this that ridicule the ad listings of others. Perhaps you can share one of your recent e-Bay or Craigslist ads for a Studebaker so that others do not make these same sort of "errors".

If the goal of this forum is to be welcoming to others in order to further the interest in our marque, I do not see how items like this achieve that goal. I am sure others will condemn me, but constant criticisms of the work of others is getting old.

What I would much prefer to hear is what [u]work</u> you are doing on a Studebaker or your experiences [u]driving</u> one. After all, we are the Studebaker DRIVERS Club.

[Edited for spelling]
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allstateguy
02-22-2010, 06:47 AM
amen

JohnP, driving & reviving
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bob40
02-22-2010, 08:18 AM
Times two

Lothar
02-22-2010, 08:38 AM
Guido made a statement that should be the "Golden Rule" of this forum.

"How does this post further the Studebaker hobby?"

I, for one, pledge to ask myself this question before I post anything else.

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W-3 4 Dr. Sedan
Holdrege NE

sweetolbob
02-22-2010, 10:01 AM
Well it now looks like we are on the way to becoming the most PC forum on the web.:(

The last time I checked the term forum implies furthering discussion based on opinion and knowledge.

If a forum member has an opinion on a vehicle they have found or an observation a topic that fits in the policies of the forum then I for one will continue support that concept as long as it is delivered in a reasonably civil manner.

You can continue to argue about how we will contine to lose new members if we do that but I would challenge you to detail how many we have truly lost that would have been contributing members.

I do know that we have lost some very valuable and contributing members because of this vendetta to limit free forum usage.

And I for one will continue to express my views within the scope of my definition of the word FORUM!!!

Bob

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ddub
02-22-2010, 10:07 AM
You've got to admit it is a strange and puzzling ad.

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

JBOYLE
02-22-2010, 10:27 AM
With all due respect to [u]everyones</u> feelings, I think you're being too hard on Bams50.

It's a puzzling ad.
When I first looked at it, I thought it was a "before and after" for the Champ.
He didn't criticize the work, just the wording..or lack thereof.

We've had this discussion before...modified Studes are ripe for comment.
We just need to be fairly polite, but I don't see any harm with members asking the occasional."What the heck....?".

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Washington State

Dick Steinkamp
02-22-2010, 10:36 AM
Well said Gary.

Just think how much less negative the Forum would be if this sort of energy was put into finding what is RIGHT in the Studebaker world rather than what is WRONG in it.

I'm not suggesting we all become Polyannas, but to seek out poorly written ads, misspelled words, incorrect punctuation, cars you don't like, etc...then to post them here to make someone look bad (and yourself look good I suppose) just doesn't seem like it correctly promotes the hobby (and the SDC).

I frequent three other car forums and see very little of the sort of "ripping" that is done here (especially not by the most frequent posters at those forums).

alt.autos.Studebakers was once THE place to go for Studebaker chat. Fun, interesting, informative. It then became common there to post any and all political and social opinions, AND to openly rip anything and anybody. Post count went from 5,000 per month to under 100 as the majority of members left. It wasn't about Studebakers anymore. It was about finding things wrong that may or may not be Studebaker related.

I'd hate to see the same thing happen here.

alt.autos.studebaker is not moderated. You can say anything you want over there. Wide open. It would be a great place for those folks who feel stifled here. Or, belong to both. Represent the positive side of Studebakering here along with the goals and values of the SDC, and unload there. The best of both worlds.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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52-fan
02-22-2010, 11:30 AM
That ad is really poorly written and hard to understand. I appreciate the comments good and bad as long as they are not too caustic. Another forum I visit allows political commentary, and the like, and some are down right nasty. It also gets lots of spam and phishing junk. I am glad this forum is as user friendly as it is. Some of us old guys let our Studebaker related opinions get over stated sometimes.

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Sdude
02-22-2010, 12:59 PM
I agree that it's not the best ad I've ever seen but I have seen the car up close many times and it's a nice car. I think what he was trying to convey was this car was what you come up with when you combine a Champ pick-up (pictured) with a 2 door station wagon Lark.

It's been for sale forever, I would suspect, because he wants more money for it than anyone has yet been willing to pay.

Notice I didn't say more than it's worth, but isn't that the definition of worth? Perhaps one day he will get his price if he is in no hurry to sell.

Again, it's a very nice car.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
Karel Staple Chapter SDC
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studeclunker
02-22-2010, 01:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

Not to be contrary but I have some questions about this post and its reasoning in general:

(snip)
Have you created any Studebaker customs that would provide a basis for judging the work of others?
(snipped in need of brevety and focus)

Well... I believe you are being rather hard on Bob. The ad is very poorly crafted. However, I think he and you are both being rather harsh.


quote: Have you created any Studebaker customs that would provide a basis for judging the work of others?

What a small world this would be if only the people involved in a particular aspect of any craft or hobby were allowed to post or exposit an opinion on it. Freedom of speech means that everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of what the reciever may or may not think of said opinion. Though, my Mother used to often say, "Opinions, darling, are like one's underwear. One usually doesn't show them much in public." Advice, which most people here can attest, I rarely follow (LOL)!;)[:o)]

As to the subject of customs, it is likely also common knowledge that I have a very low opinion of them. The only exception possibly being those that are outstanding examples.

The only exception I would take to the ad in question with this thread, is that he wasted two pictures on an un-related vehicle and should rather have shown the right and left sides of what appears to be a well-done custom. He would have been better showing his craftsmanship than an irrellevant (though beautiful) vehicle.



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StudHawk60
02-22-2010, 02:18 PM
Wow, with all this flaming and bickering, it's no wonder people are leaving this forum.[V]

Guido
02-22-2010, 02:44 PM
I think some respondents have missed the point of my post. Despite what has subsequently been written, this is not an attempt to block free speech or to eliminate discussion on vehicles on this forum.

What I took issue with is BAMS making the assumption that the author was under the influence of drugs or alcohol because of the content of the ad. While I would certainly agree that the copy is confusing, that does not confer upon him the right to suggest that the writer is a substance abuser. For all we know this individual may have suffered a stroke and this is the best that he could muster. If he felt it was necessary to bring this obscure listing to the attention of the forum, it could have been done without the inferences that were made.

Some people appear to post solely for the sake of inflating their post count. While I too have been guilty of interjecting drivel on occasion, I also strive to provide answers to inquiries where I have the knowledge to do so. While I have much less knowledge than some who post here (I bought my first Studebaker in January of 1974), I have worked on them and have a basic knowledge of their operation. Given this, I strive to offer answers, ideas and suggestions to inquiries when I am familiar with the subject matter.

On the other hand there are some prolific “contributors” to this forum that I have never seen supply an answer to a Studebaker specific question nor do I suspect they have the knowledge to do so. Makes one wonder what their motivation is to be here….

I am off to more productive endeavors (like making cookies with my daughter). :D



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bams50
02-22-2010, 04:34 PM
Jeekers Gary, you're kinda rough today, aintcha?[:0]:D OK, I will grant you the answers you seek:

How did you reach the conclusion he was "high"?

That was just a little comedic license, buddy. As you may or may not know, I am not a licensed doctor, nor do I know the author. That was not a diagnosis, merely a viable possible explanation. As Jeff once said, comedy is a tough business. Senses of humor don't necessarily always mesh[:I]


Have you created any Studebaker customs that would provide a basis for judging the work of others?

No, I have not- just one reason why I NEVER judge others' work. This one is pretty ironic, since I am probably the most vocal opponent of critiquing anyone's skills or taste- and have taken tons of arrows for it from a couple folks that tried (unsuccessfully) to defend the practice. All the threads are there, starting with the guy that had the Hawk with chromed fins. Never done it, never will. I can't imagine you confused my critique of a cryptic ad with talking about anyone's work. Besides, I was trying to figure out what they're trying to sell- the truck the Larkamino, or the "2/Door wagon"http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif


Is there a justifiable reason for making inferences that the lister is a substance abuser?

See the first answer.


How does this post further the Studebaker hobby?

Simple. Shows those that may be wondering how NOT to write a listing to sell something. Plenty of folks have never done it, and this is helpful for those that want to, furthering the hobby by helping others get a successful sale, while not wasting their efforts on a listing no one can understand.


Perhaps you can share one of your recent e-Bay or Craigslist ads for a Studebaker so that others do not make these same sort of "errors".

I haven't any, it's been a while since I sold on either. Thus far I've sold off most of my cars by direct contact with friends. I do currently have a want-ad on the Swap Page though.


What I would much prefer to hear is what work you are doing on a Studebaker or your experiences driving one.

I would too, and I post those every time I have one. I've spent the last year selling off my beloved collection, including most of my Lincolns. My entire focus has been saving my business during these hard times; while simultaneously working a stressful full-time job and doing for my family. I was very sick from Dec. 08 to April 09, right as things were collapsing financially. The Power and Mercy of God has given me back my health and stabilized business, but there's still a long way to go; I haven't been able to lay a hand on any of my cars for over a year. Knowing that you would like updates is great, and when I have some you can bet they'll be here. Until then I come here to enjoy my Stude friends and their adventures, help some buy, help some sell, help some find, help some with shipping, adevise when I know, share fun stuff and jokes, and generally cheerlead, and have accomplished them all from time to time. For now, that's my extent; but eventually I'll be back to hands-on[^] In the meantime, I'd love to follow your restoration efforts!:)

Some people appear to post solely for the sake of inflating their post count. While I too have been guilty of interjecting drivel on occasion, I also strive to provide answers to inquiries where I have the knowledge to do so. While I have much less knowledge than some who post here I have worked on them and have a basic knowledge of their operation. Given this, I strive to offer answers, ideas and suggestions to inquiries when I am familiar with the subject matter.

On the other hand there are some prolific “contributors” to this forum that I have never seen supply an answer to a Studebaker specific question nor do I suspect they have the knowledge to do so. Makes one wonder what their motivation is to be here….

I know you're

Guido
02-22-2010, 06:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
I know you're not referring to me here, since none of it describes me, and most all of it is the exact opposite of me. Just clarifying that for others who might think you meant me, and would think you were being a little cranky;)
Actually I was. If I am incorrect, please share with the forum some of your experiences working on a Studebaker or driving one. After all, I thought that was the purpose of this forum. :)

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JBOYLE
02-22-2010, 06:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido
On the other hand there are some prolific “contributors” to this forum that I have never seen supply an answer to a Studebaker specific question nor do I suspect they have the knowledge to do so. Makes one wonder what their motivation is to be here….


Anyone else want to admit they thought this quote was about them?

If so, does that make Guido the Carly Simon of the SDC? [?]:D[?]:D

Seriously, is there a new litmus test for being allowed to post?

I think many of us post here as an on-line version of guys getting together every morning over coffee...talkin' Strudes, cars, life in general.
We try to help out each other when we can, other times it's "shooting the breeze with a bunch of friends (I hope I'm not being presumptuous here) I've never met.
In other words, a bit of fun. We're not doing rocket science or curing cancer here.

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bige
02-22-2010, 06:35 PM
WOW! 21+ responses on a thread that would of disappeared after 4 or 5 if we weren't being protected from the evil posters.

Why can't we just leave it up to the individual to decide if the topic is of interest? It cost one click to decide, no limit on clicks that I know of, still plenty of space left for our Stude driving and repairing experiences. Kind of like TV, don't like the show? Change the channel.

ErnieR

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sweetolbob
02-22-2010, 07:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bige

Why can't we just leave it up to the individual to decide if the topic is of interest? It cost one click to decide, no limit on clicks that I know of, still plenty of space left for our Stude driving and repairing experiences. Kind of like TV, don't like the show? Change the channel.

X2.

Bob

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bams50
02-22-2010, 07:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by bams50
I know you're not referring to me here, since none of it describes me, and most all of it is the exact opposite of me. Just clarifying that for others who might think you meant me, and would think you were being a little cranky;)
Actually I was. If I am incorrect, please share with the forum some of your experiences working on a Studebaker or driving one. After all, I thought that was the purpose of this forum. :)



Lol! Hope whatever's eating you gets better soon.

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Parish, central NY 13131
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starliner62
02-22-2010, 08:19 PM
I'm not going to say anything bad about anyone. The last Guido I knew talked funny and carried a baseball bat!!:D:DIt's a good thing I didn't owe him any money.;)

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

Guido
02-22-2010, 09:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
Lol! Hope whatever's eating you gets better soon.
I would like to apologize to the Forum for contributing to the direction that this thread has taken. It appears that Bob and I have a difference of opinion on the role of this Forum and the value of the participants having historical knowledge and hands on experience with Studebaker vehicles. In order to bring this thread to closure, I have sent him a personal message off line conveying my thoughts and expect he will respond in kind.

By the way, I prefer Louisville Slugger. ;)

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02-22-2010, 10:27 PM
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