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studegary
12-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I have owned two Skytops (1961 & 1963). I sold each of them to other life SDC members.

The 1961 was a red Regal hardtop fully equipped with 259 V8, AT, ps, pb, TT, etc. The friend that I sold it to had it in a shop to have some work done to the car. I just learned the fate this afternoon. The guy with the shop got sent to jail and the Skytop got scrapped. We are both sad.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

barnlark
12-24-2009, 01:45 PM
You sure it is gone for good??? Maybe someone at the scrap yard saved it. That is really sad news.

studeclunker
12-24-2009, 01:51 PM
What a horrible thing to happen!![:0] I don't get this. How can someone sell a car that doesn't belong to them? Here in California, one can't scrap a car without proving it's abandoned, which requires contacting the last registered owner, or actually BEING the owner.

Like the BarnLark said, have you checked with the scrap yard? Good Lord, what a sorry state of affairs!

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raoul5788
12-24-2009, 01:56 PM
That's crazy! Did they try to find the owner? If not, how could they dispose of personal property not owned by the shop owner without finding the owner?


Chip
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barnlark
12-24-2009, 02:05 PM
Something sounds fishy, too, Gary. That deserves some real detective work. Any legit scrap yard now has to show records these days here in Ohio. Especially, if it's a nice car and not a basket case, they have to show a driver's license and a title, otherwise anyone can take any car and get quick cash. It might not even be scrapped and that's just the story. It could be anywhere. I wouldn't buy into that one without some real proof. By scrapped, do you mean parted out and sold in pieces by the guy now in jail for cash, or literally taken to a scrap yard whole?

studegary
12-24-2009, 02:23 PM
I don't have any details. What I posted is what I learned this afternoon in an e-mail from the guy that I sold the car to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

COMMANDERPINK1
12-24-2009, 03:20 PM
Unbelievable and unacceptable

Tom

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junior
12-24-2009, 06:32 PM
About five years ago my wife had her 74 Beetle in a paint shop to have it painted. She told the owner to keep it all winter and work on it whenever he could as she was in no rush to pick it up until spring. Around mid Feb. she gets a call from a lawyer saying come and pick-up your car by noon time tomorrow or it will be sold at the auction! Talk about a surprise! Turns out the shop went out of business, assets were seized including customers cars (about 20), and all were to be sold. Luckily, this lawyer decided to be nice and went through all the cars glove boxes, and traced some of the owners through their insurance/registration papers and contacted the ones she could. Our local laws say an ad must be placed in the local paper stating the business was closed and all property had been seized including customer's property. This is officially the only notification required. Thankfully we had just enough time to prove the ownership of the car, gather up the parts, and hire a tow truck to tow the car off the property. Some other customers were not so lucky. Bonus was the fact that my wife paid for the deposit with her Master Card, so all $ were refunded. Two lessons we learned, 1. check in with the body shop from time to time, 2. pay for everything with Master Card as they will insure the work gets done or refund you money. Junior.

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8E45E
12-24-2009, 06:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by junior
Luckily, this lawyer decided to be nice and went through all the cars glove boxes, and traced some of the owners through their insurance/registration papers and contacted the ones she could.

Indeed! I'd be investigating ALL the wrecking yards in the area IMMEDIATELY!! Seems to me they can't scrap a complete car as soon as its received, and as stated above, they must do a serial number check first before destroying it. Time could be of essence here...

Craig

Jerry Forrester
12-24-2009, 06:45 PM
You guys talk like all states and nations have the same laws concerning vehicles, be it registration, emissions inspections, safety inspection etc. This not true.

I presume this happened in NY State. Only NY State laws cover this situation.

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I am in the process of getting parts and pieces gathered up for the May 2010 South Bend Swap meet. How about you?

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bams50
12-24-2009, 08:46 PM
How long ago was this, Gary? This year? 20 years ago?

In NY the laws are very lax. Last time I scrapped a large number of cars (2 years ago) the yard paid me by the car (about 50 cars). The owner paid me on the spot and started hauling. I asked if he wanted the titles and he said "oh yeah, of you've got 'em. I did give them but I don't think he ever looked at the envelope I gave him.

If this Skytop thing was recent, I'd bet the yard saved it out to sell. The recyclers are ruthless- they have no qualms about crushing any car of any age- the only thing that saves 'em is if they think they can get more money selling to an old car sap.

Naturally, I'm on record with the local yard as the resident sap;)

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barnlark
12-24-2009, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Forrester
You guys talk like all states and nations have the same laws concerning vehicles, be it registration, emissions inspections, safety inspection etc. This not true.

I presume this happened in NY State. Only NY State laws cover this situation.

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Jerry, who in any of the above thread naively thinks that? If.. Gary's friend is in NY (and as long as Gary's been in the SDC that former Skytop owner could be anywhere) of course only NY laws are applicable.
Here may be an answer, if it is NY: Even though most of NYs seizure laws are for drunks and other criminal's cars, if you wade through the NY Forfeiture Act to page 374 and read the Takings Clause, as an innocent car owner unknowingly caught up in another's misdeeds, you are most likely screwed. I hope the Skytop resurfaces and this kind of baloney gets changed. Remind me to never to leave my car anywhere for very long, regardless of what state I live in. Yikes.

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Jerry Forrester
12-24-2009, 09:30 PM
quote:
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[b]Jerry, who in any of the above thread naively thinks that? [/i]



barnlack, it's not just this thread. It's threads like the one where someone says "why in the world would someone buy a car without a title?" and other such silliness as that.

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I am in the process of getting parts and pieces gathered up for the May 2010 South Bend Swap meet. How about you?

Jerry Forrester
Forrester's Chrome
Douglasville, Georgia
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for your shiny Stude stuff.
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Lenny R2
12-24-2009, 09:36 PM
Very sad news i hope something can be done about this.Some thing doesent sound
rite about this.

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

silverhawk
12-24-2009, 09:40 PM
No comment. (snifle snifle, buhahahahaha :( )

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58PackardWagon
12-24-2009, 09:55 PM
Sounds like someone might be taking this owner in for a ride. I would check it out with the police dept.

57 & 58 Packards and Larks

studegary
12-25-2009, 06:27 PM
I will contact the guy that I sold the car to sometime after Christmas. I have told you all that I know at this point. Remember, the car is no longer mine so there is little that I can do. The guy is in NYS, but a couple of counties away from me. I don't know where the shop was where he was having work done. The SDC guy is an intelligent, educated gentleman that keeps good records. He was upset about losing the Skytop so I imagine he exhausted any avenues available to him to track down and recover the Skytop hardtop.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Chris_Dresbach
12-25-2009, 06:37 PM
THATS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![V]

Chris Dresbach

edpjr
12-26-2009, 11:04 AM
This whole episode smells fishy. My gut reaction is that this car is "stolen." Nobody, not even the govt of the United Nations, is stupid enough to scrap a car without checking the value. They'd auction it to get every last penny. Look around in a few months in trade papers or on Craigslist for a similar car showing up for purchase with only a bill of sale.

edp/NC
'63 Avanti
'66 Commander

studeclunker
12-26-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah, the whole thing stinks! To be able to seize someone else's property, just because it was on the premises, is an entirely unacceptable situation. However, it doesn't surprise me in the least. Creditors are ruthless.

As to cars without titles, George and I cut up quite a few vehicles two summers ago. People would contact us to remove them and on those that they didn't have paperwork for, the torch solved the problem. Most of these vehicles had been sitting, though, for over ten years. In one case, the truck was only about twelve years old. However, the property had changed hands three times and the nightmare of paperwork with the DMV doomed the truck. We saved what we could and chopped it up. As long as the pieces can't be recognized as anything other than various parts, the yard will accept them.

As horrible as the subject situation here is, it likely happens a lot.:([V]

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bob40
12-26-2009, 02:20 PM
People junk cars all the time without checking the value first.
Not everyone is a 'car person' to many a old car is just that.
Old and disposable.There are several crush only scrapyards in
the area.Not one car part will be sold.I was at one of the yards
one day when they loaded a 1969 SS Camaro into the crusher with
all original parts on it.Somebody brought the car there to junk it.
The owners of the crush yards got fed up with cheap customers and
closed the doors to the public as far as parts go.Plus the insurance
is cheaper when it's only employees who can get past the gates.

rodnutrandy
12-26-2009, 03:24 PM
I know of a scrap yard that only saves eldoradas and toronadas, anything else is crushed, including new bodies, solid Buick gs, cudas, and any other collector car. If I had time, I would set at his business entrance and scout incoming items, I know a 69 boss 302 Mustang got crushed at the yard. Still ,somethng doesn't sound right about disposing of the skytop without any contact with owner.

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Hillsboro,Ohio 45133
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studegary
12-27-2009, 12:33 PM
This morning, I was laying in bed thinking about the ownership of this Skytop over the past 40 years, or so. All of the owners were known to me and the last three were close friends. The car seemed to have a hex. I believe that the guy that I purchased the car from died at an erly age. After a period of time, I sold the car to friend. He then sold it to another friend of both of ours. The first guy died in his early 60s. The second guy died of a heart attack at the age of 37 while he owned the car. I bought the car back from his widow and kept it for many years. I then sold it to the guy that had it disposed of at a shop. I am not sure that I would want to own it again. I survived owning it two times.

I have attempted to get more information from the last owner. I don't even have the serial number from the two times that I owned it. It is very rare for me to buy a car more than once. One 1953 Commander Starliner is the only other one that comes to mind.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bams50
12-27-2009, 12:55 PM
Again Gary, how long ago did the car go missing? Last week when you posted? This year? A couple decades ago? Just wondering.

Jinx or not, I'd definitely take my chances with it[:X];)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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studegary
12-27-2009, 01:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Again Gary, how long ago did the car go missing? Last week when you posted? This year? A couple decades ago? Just wondering.

Jinx or not, I'd definitely take my chances with it[:X];)

[purple]Robert (Bob) Andrews-







Bob A. - I wasn't ignoring you the first time. I just posted what I learned that afternoon in an e-mail. I am trying to get more information. I know that it wasn't a couple of decades ago because I saw the car at one of the homes owned by this guy more recenty than that.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer