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StudeMichael
12-24-2009, 09:26 AM
There has to be a story behind this one:



http://tinyurl.com/ygqxd8a

barnlark
12-24-2009, 09:32 AM
A horse shoe, wish bone, four leaf clover, membership emblem of the don't worry club and a Studebaker freewheeling coin. What the heck? That's a new one and pretty weird.

stude62
12-24-2009, 09:34 AM
Hold the phone there Hoss.

I see a wishbone, a four leaf clover and a horseshoe - where's said twisted cross?


quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael


There has to be a story behind this one:



http://tinyurl.com/ygqxd8a



Stu K

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/stude62/thumb-2.jpg
'63 Lark Regal, "Miss Rose"

barnlark
12-24-2009, 09:39 AM
In the middle of all of those.

StudeMichael
12-24-2009, 09:52 AM
Click on the enlarge button Stu K

StudeMichael
12-24-2009, 09:53 AM
Click on the enlarge button Stu K

Chris Pile
12-24-2009, 10:16 AM
Saw that late last night on eBay.
Knew it would rankle a few, puzzle the rest.

Chris Pile
http://midwaystudebakers.tripod.com/

stude62
12-24-2009, 10:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

Click on the enlarge button Stu K


HOLY COW!

I have4 egg on my face and its beet red with embarrassment! THat gives me the creeps!

Stu K

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/stude62/thumb-2.jpg
'63 Lark Regal, "Miss Rose"

ddub
12-24-2009, 10:51 AM
Remember that before Herr Hitler got a hold of it the swastika was a perfectly respectable symbol.

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

sals54
12-24-2009, 11:28 AM
ddub, you're right about the swastika being respectable prior to Hitler. In fact several Native American tribes, ancient Chinese and Indian cultures used the swastika as religious and cultural symbols for thousands of years before Hitler stole it. Also remember that the true evils of Hitler were not widely recognized from 1933 through 1939. The world in general was still trying to accommodate and appease him until Germanys invasion of Poland in '39. So, the swastika has only been an evil symbol for the last 70 years. The thousands of years of peaceful swastikas are now wiped out.

sals54
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barnlark
12-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Here you go, it gets better...well, info wise. Guess they were common before the symbol became ruined.

http://tinyurl.com/y9bdqlp

Johnnywiffer
12-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Back in WWII days, my great-grand mother (Grossmutter) had pillows with the swastika on them. I asked her why. She said they were Indian symbols.

Tho we were of German extraction, I always considered us to be ONLY American. I said, "Don't you know they are Hitler symbols?"

"Nope, I had these pillows long before anybody ever HEARD of Hitler."

I told her I thot she ought to hide them. She never did and no one ever said anything to her about them, except me. After the war, they disappeared. Stolen? Put away? Discarded?

Dunno. But in OK recently, saw many decorations with swastikas on them. Asked the people selling them what they meant. "Indian symobls of some type."

I guess Grossmutter was right.

John

jrock
12-24-2009, 12:57 PM
Per my reading the bent cross has been good luck for centuries.Hitler rotated it to make the swastika,but most people don't pay attention to the rotation and just see it as the bent cross.

jrock

COMMANDERPINK1
12-24-2009, 01:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by jrock

Per my reading the bent cross has been good luck for centuries.Hitler rotated it to make the swastika,but most people don't pay attention to the rotation and just see it as the bent cross.

jrock


Thanks jrock for pointing this out as I wanted to comment on this as the swastika and Indian symbols actually rotate in opposite directions.

Tom

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buddymander
12-24-2009, 01:29 PM
I remember a few years ago the marines in san diego commissioned a german architecture firm to design a barracks. It was designed in an L-shape to permit more windows, and it was to be duplicated in a construction of four wings. Looks exactly like a swastika from the air.

Steve T
12-24-2009, 02:11 PM
Yep, the swastika was around for many centuries before the Reichskanzler besmirched it. Finland, too, used the swastika as a national symbol on their aircraft before and during World War II; the Finns' insignia was blue rather than black, and most importantly was positioned on the level, not cocked to 45 degrees as was the Nazi variation.

I collect model aircraft (both kits and diecast) and it has long been a source of bemusement to me that Messerschmitts, Focke-Wulfs, et al, in miniature virtually never display the swastika on the fin as it appeared in historical fact. I clearly remember buying and building a 1:48 Fw190 fighter about 20 years ago; opened the brand new kit to notice that the section of the decal sheet containing the tail swastikas had been cut out with scissors! Revisionism writ a bit silly...Much more recently I saw a very nice diecast of a Finnish Hawker Hurricane...with big blue squares on the wings in place of the true Finnish marking. Sheesh.

(Not sure how to work Studebaker content into this, sorry...Maybe mention of the Stude-built engines on the B-17s the Messerschmitt, FW et al pilots were adversary to...?)

S.

Gary1953
12-24-2009, 02:24 PM
There was also a car company that used the Swastika as there logo before WW II.

See this link:

http://minarchist.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/krit-motor-car-company-swastika-s-letters-for-socialism-under-nazis-national-socialist-german-workers-party/

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/116-1-1-1.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

HAWK64
12-24-2009, 07:13 PM
Picked one of these membership emblems on Ebay about 3 years ago so dont have to worry about bidding on this one !!

http://www.studebakercarclub.net/jim.jpg
"QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER"
MELBOURNE.

Lothar
12-24-2009, 10:22 PM
In response to Steve T: Model companies often don't include the historically accurate nazi swastika in their kits because any display of the swastika is illegal in Germany and some other european countries. They couldn't sell the models in Europe if the swastikas were included.

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

8E45E
12-29-2009, 07:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by ddub

Remember that before Herr Hitler got a hold of it the swastika was a perfectly respectable symbol.


That is correct! I finally remembered to scan this page from a 1924 Crane catalog, before the meaning of the symbol got changed; possibly forever.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/4226350117_1601a1c6c9_o.jpg

Craig

dean pearson
12-29-2009, 08:28 PM
Like Johnnywhiffer and grandma's pillows,
I have my grandfathers highschool year book and the picture of my grandfather has him wearing a sweater with the symbol embroidered in a pattern all over it.
When I asked a much older cousin (my grandfathers nephew) about it he also said that the symbol was used for many things before hitler ever came along.
So I guess I need to pull it out and hope it was before 1939 or so.

Dean.

Chris_Dresbach
12-29-2009, 10:57 PM
Back in the early years, the symbol actually stood for peace, love, prosperity, and good luck.

Chris Dresbach