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Chris_Dresbach
12-22-2009, 07:54 AM
I know it's a day early... Ole' well.;):D
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/Studebaker%201/GTHawkPrototype.jpg

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
12-22-2009, 07:54 AM
Am I the only one seeeing a comparason here?[?]
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/Studebaker%201/avantisketch7.jpg
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/Studebaker%201/63studedraw.jpg

Chris Dresbach

StudeMichael
12-22-2009, 08:08 AM
The last one, "Is this the new fiberglass Studebaker"? is in reference to the Avanti before it came out.

Dan White
12-22-2009, 08:15 AM
Somehow a 4 dr Hawk just doesn't cut it for me.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

bams50
12-22-2009, 08:18 AM
That's cool! Even if it does look like a Russian Official car:D What became of it?

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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8E45E
12-22-2009, 08:26 AM
"Chris' other Eye Candy 12/23 GT Hawk Prototype"

That was never a tagged as a Hawk. In fact, it reads 'Lark' below the door handles, and there are Lark-in-flight emblems in various places on the car.

Craig

Invalid User Name
12-22-2009, 08:57 AM
For some reason it reminds me of a mid 60's Lincoln Continental.


Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
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stude62
12-22-2009, 09:31 AM
If I recall, isn't this car the one Brooks Stevens did as possible replacement for the Lark? My understanding was that it was the Sceptre that was the Hawk replacement, not this study.

And if my memory serves me correctly, one of the features of this car was that it had interchangable doors as a means of cutting production costs.

Stu K

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/stude62/thumb-2.jpg
'63 Lark Regal, "Miss Rose"

scott.rodgers
12-22-2009, 10:36 AM
This car is now in the basement display area of the Studebaker Museum. This car isn't the Hawk replacement, the Sceptre is. This one is the Lark/Cruiser - notice the Lark leteering below the door handles.

Scott Rodgers
Los Angeles
SDC Member since 1989
'60 Lark HT
'63 Wagonaire
'66 Frankenbaker

scott.rodgers
12-22-2009, 10:36 AM
This car is now in the basement display area of the Studebaker Museum. This car isn't the Hawk replacement, the Sceptre is. This one is the Lark/Cruiser - notice the Lark leteering below the door handles.

Scott Rodgers
Los Angeles
SDC Member since 1989
'60 Lark HT
'63 Wagonaire
'66 Frankenbaker

scott.rodgers
12-22-2009, 10:37 AM
This car is now in the basement display area of the Studebaker Museum. This car isn't the Hawk replacement, the Sceptre is. This one is the Lark/Cruiser - notice the Lark lettering below the door handles.

Scott Rodgers
Los Angeles
SDC Member since 1989
'60 Lark HT
'63 Wagonaire
'66 Frankenbaker

Swifster
12-22-2009, 10:40 AM
I like the drawing of the "Fiberglass Studebaker". It looks like a little Ferrari from the time.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2161.27)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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barnlark
12-22-2009, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by 8E45E

"Chris' other Eye Candy 12/23 GT Hawk Prototype"
That was never a tagged as a Hawk. In fact, it reads 'Lark' below the door handles, and there are Lark-in-flight emblems in various places on the car.

"I know it's a day early... Ole' well." ;) Chris, are you an abbreviating bull fighter? [:o)] As ChampTrucking's attorney, I'm concerned his franchise is being violated. I'm going over the paperwork now. ;) [:o)]

Never was fond of this prototype. That had a Rambler, Lincoln, and even a premonition of Pacer look going on. Yes, Russian staff car, too!



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Milaca
12-22-2009, 11:35 AM
I love that bottom sketch, it looks awesome! Very sporty, it could have been a sales success. Is this following pic the same car with different trim? Notice it has a Hawk chevron emblem.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/3951822021_6bbc0f9d0a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4149448710_41d6dfe9bc_t.jpg
Lark ala mode
In the middle of Minnesota

COMMANDERPINK1
12-22-2009, 11:42 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Invalid User Name

For some reason it reminds me of a mid 60's Lincoln Continental.
Doug
Venice, Florida


Same with me on this veiw of it looking like a Lincoln or a Ford product.
Tom

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8E45E
12-22-2009, 01:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca
Is this following pic the same car with different trim? Notice it has a Hawk chevron emblem.


All three of those Brooks Stevens prototypes had 'Deluxe' trim on one side and 'Standard' trim on the other. On the left side, you are looking at what the 'Cruiser' trim may have been.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4206910687_a2daaba1db_b.jpg

Lesser trim on this side.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/4206922577_e743439328_b.jpg

On the left side, Brooks Stevens explored doors that opened into the roof.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/4206923867_0a6ca6d249_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4206925127_d0cbf584cf_b.jpg

Right side, the doors did not.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/4207668630_2816985df3_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4206908515_b48e65c485_b.jpg


Craig

Steve T
12-22-2009, 04:21 PM
Yep, this is the Lark-based Stevens Cruiser prototype...the only one of the three I dislike. The grille, to my eye, looks rather as though the coachbuilder found the mesh was too wide and folded it in half so it'd fit! And that upside-down wraparound backlight...um, no thanx. It certainly was cool though to see all three Stevens prototypes at SNM. Hope someday they'll be able to expand, but at the moment that basement room does have a nifty Aladdin's Cave feel to it.

That "fibreglass Studebaker" drawing does indeed look like a Ferrari of the same period, but it's interesting to see that they've tacked on a squashed version of the '62 Lark grille...Loewy's group borrowing from Mercedes-buff Stevens??

S.

(Looking at the blue roadster sketch again...he's evidently just had a tierod let go!!)

Invalid User Name
12-22-2009, 04:24 PM
Barnlark - a Russian staff car? That is funny but oh so true.


Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
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Steve T
12-22-2009, 04:31 PM
Russian staff car? Yeah...and there's precedent, sorta. Ever see a ZIL limousine? Joe Stalin liked big American cars, especially Packards; so he got copies made, and a few of these Packards-in-all-but-name are still kicking around. They predate the S-P merger, but still...Maybe Mr Stevens should've approached Khrushchev?:D

Anyway, I think the Stevens Cruiser resembles one of Elwood Engel's Imperials from the same period (which makes sense, since Engel also had quite a bit to do with the '61 Continental...of note, too, the GT Hawk has often been compared to the Lincoln regarding some styling cues).

Y'know, that B&W "New Fibreglass Stude" sketch looks like a sort of midway-point design between the Avanti and the GT Hawk. Might this be a competitive Avanti-project study by Stevens??

S.

bams50
12-23-2009, 09:52 PM
Here's what I meant when I thought it looked like a Russian official's car...

Here it is:

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/Studebaker%201/GTHawkPrototype.jpg

And a Russian Chaika:

http://americandreamcars.com/1981chaika.jpg

There's definitely a similar "feel" between the two;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

Milaca
12-23-2009, 11:31 PM
Sorry Bams, I only see resemblance to a 1955-56 Packard in that Russian car. [8D]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4149448710_41d6dfe9bc_t.jpg
Lark ala mode
In the middle of Minnesota

8E45E
12-24-2009, 02:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
There's definitely a similar "feel" between the two;)


Sorry...Aside from paint color, I fail to see any sort of resemblance at all to a 50's style Chaika. The prototype Lark has way more glass area, smaller interior, etc. The Chaika is a 7-passenger sedan, and closer resembles a 129" wb Checker with the jump seats in the rear. This Stude prototype has no room for any extra seating. I have seen the interior of a Chaika, and the dashboards are totally different in each car. The dashboard is like night and day to each other. Chaika's has two big round gauges laid out in a symetrical pattern, ala 40's car with the speedometer facing the driver and the clock in facing the passenger, all set in a perforated gold anodized surround that covers nearly the entire dash. The radio is a big 5-band thing in the middle; not a compact bubble on top of the dash as the Lark prototype has. Moreover, the seats in the protoype are thin and rather hard. (I got to sit in that car when they all were in Mequon.) A Chaika front seat is like an over-stuffed living room sofa, typical of any 50's medium-priced American car of the era.

Craig

Jessie J.
12-24-2009, 08:28 AM
I do like the overall size, shape, and the proportions of this prototype, particularly the expansive glass area (tinted windows and a powerful air-conditioner would be mandatory though)
The Lincoln'esque slab-sides, and the 'formal' sail panel are very classy and upscale appearing styling elements, seldom applied to such a small compact sized vehicle.
Adding in the suicide-doors, (notice on the driver-side, that they wrap into the roof-panel) and the large curved side-glass, to me at least, the results appear more like a prototype for a 'baby Lincoln' from the Lincoln-Mercury school of design.
-And at that time, would not have been a bad thing to have been stylistically associated with.
(Remember the '40 President - Lincoln Zephyr similarity?)
There are three elements (easily changed) of the exteriour that (to me) detract from the design. The front grill and headlight is......er, 'strange' to put it kindly. And that beautiful classic appearing sail-panel would appear much better without the queer 'boomerang' applique.
The beltline crease 'kick-up' over the rear wheel cut-out looks like a styling mistake, breaking up the smooth front to rear flow, (to me) the front 3/4 view makes it appear that the vehicle has suffered from a severe, but poorly repaired rear-end collision.

I do like most of the interior, and it does go nicely with the exterior design. Except for those cheap JC Whitney appearing plastic domes sticking up out of that otherwise clean dash. I can't help but visualise them being dust-magnets, quickly becoming dusty and scratched eyesores. One could at least hope that these 'thingies' would only be optional...and, no thanks!

BobGlasscock
12-24-2009, 08:43 AM
Where the heck is that miniature??!! I want it, I want it, I want it!!!! And it's only Christmas eve, still time Santa!

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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stude62
12-24-2009, 09:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Here's what I meant when I thought it looked like a Russian official's car...

And a Russian Chaika:

There's definitely a similar "feel" between the two;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

Please excuse my ignorance, but did the soviets knock off the front of the Chaika from the Packard Clipper, or did they buy the die's? I always thought of the Chaika as the offspring between a Packard upfront and Checker in the rear.

Again - I'm asking because I don't know how it happened.








Stu K

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/stude62/thumb-2.jpg
'63 Lark Regal, "Miss Rose"

8E45E
12-24-2009, 11:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by Jessie J.
One could at least hope that these 'thingies' would only be optional...and, no thanks!


According to Brooks Stevens' presentation on that car, his idea was that the optional radio and clock would not have unsightly delete plates if they weren't ordered. Therefore, you would get your wish of having no 'thingies' on top of the dash, but you would have to remember to bring along your I-Pod, and a wristwatch.:D

Craig

Steve T
12-24-2009, 02:21 PM
It looks like I may have been wrong (for a long time!) about the "wraparound backlight" on the Stevens Cruiser...the closeups here show two versions of trim delineating a section of the rear pillar, but no glazed section. I'd always thought the backlight wrapped round "upside down"...and that's even having seen the actual car in SB last May!

With a solid rear pillar I dislike the car less...but I still like the other two Stevens prototypes better. Put the distinctive Sceptre nose on the wagon, and I'll take that, with enthusiasm...

S.

studegary
12-24-2009, 02:31 PM
Brooks Stevens designed the cars. Studebaker paid to have the prototypes built. Brooks Stevens told me that he "liberated" the prototypes from Studebaker. These prototypes should have been part of the collection of the Studebaker Corp. that was donated to the City of South Bend contingent on proper storage and display. The Studebaker National Museum ended up purchasing the prototypes from Brooks Stevens' estate when the SNM should have owned them in the first place.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Jessie J.
12-24-2009, 05:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by Jessie J.
One could at least hope that these 'thingies' would only be optional...and, no thanks!


According to Brooks Stevens' presentation on that car, his idea was that the optional radio and clock would not have unsightly delete plates if they weren't ordered. Therefore, you would get your wish of having no 'thingies' on top of the dash, but you would have to remember to bring along your I-Pod, and a wristwatch.:D

Craig

Ya mean one of those 'thingies' is supposed to be a radio???!!!
I thought the one was a compass?
How the hey does one adjust the volume? or the tuner?

8E45E
12-24-2009, 06:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jessie J.


Yes, one is a radio, but don't ask me how its supposed to work![:0]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2186/1519559723_ad9670cd82_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
12-24-2009, 06:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jessie J.
The Lincoln'esque slab-sides, and the 'formal' sail panel are very classy and upscale appearing styling elements,....the results appear more like a prototype for a 'baby Lincoln' from the Lincoln-Mercury school of design


It was compared to the Cadillac Seville some ten years later, as this shows from the Langworth book.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2614/4212248532_9e80282c46_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2758/4212235548_12256b43d1_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
12-24-2009, 06:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Steve T
The grille, to my eye, looks rather as though the coachbuilder found the mesh was too wide and folded it in half so it'd fit!


The idea was contemplated for 1964/65...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2611/4212234816_557e050235_b.jpg

Craig

StudeRich
12-24-2009, 07:42 PM
Craig, what IS that nifty looking Black Sedan that looks very Brook Stevens, like a cross between a Studebaker Cruiser & a '64 Plymouth that the Cruiser prototype is about to "run into"? [?]

StudeRich

8E45E
12-24-2009, 07:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Craig, what IS that nifty looking Black Sedan that looks very Brook Stevens, like a cross between a Studebaker Cruiser & a '64 Plymouth that the Cruiser prototype is about to "run into"? [?]

StudeRich


You mean the 1963 Willys 2600 that was sold in Brazil until 1967? It was another one of Brooks Steven's updates of a 50's design to make it appear modern.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1223/1474969912_9d7298d027_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1129/1474123989_11c4672343_b.jpg

Craig

StudeRich
12-24-2009, 07:57 PM
Are you KIDDING me? That big luxury Sedan is a little Willys? No way! [:0]

OK, thanks, NOW I can see a photo of it, cool! It has very Checker-like tall fenders and a total copy of Brook's GT Hawk copy of the Lincoln Continental Tail lights and fender top mldg. but I like MOST of it, except the too tall fender height. [:p]

That would be a real upgrade for Willys to build that! [^]

The grille reminds me of a larger '61-'63 Volvo 244S. the Interior & dash is very Studebaker and nice, but the 1950 Kelvinator fridge swing out door handles have to go! :D

StudeRich

t walgamuth
04-11-2013, 04:59 AM
The tail in post 32 resembles a Mercedes fin tail. ( I had a couple of those back in the day when they were ten year old used cars).