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oregonroses
12-13-2009, 11:34 PM
I came across some reconditioned 1948 oregon state license plates that I wanted to use on my '48 Land cruiser. Wandered into the local DMV and was told in no uncertian terms that if I used those plates I could "only drive your car in parades"! Well, I'm a daily driver type and felt this was too restrictive. Also ran into same issue with my newly purchased '29 Dictator that had oregon state 'Historic' plates...same answer about having to run "new" plates if wanting to drive other than in parades.

Any one else run into this?

1952 Champion
1948 Land Cruiser
1929 GE Dictator

silverhawk
12-14-2009, 12:03 AM
Well, in Washington its the same thing. Got collector plates on your car, can't drive it. Me and my dad got them on our studes, and probley going to have them on his '64 barracuda. What do we do? Drive them anyways,LOL! Never had a problem, even when they are pressed into daily service. I suppose if you got pulled over for bad driving, or whatever, they can and probley will ding you for it. But, thats our experiance, don't know what it is like down there. Good luck!

Dylan Wills
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StudeRich
12-14-2009, 12:33 AM
You can drive them to Club events, car shows, Parades, to a Repair Shop, or for a tune & test run.

Be creative, have an estimate for an exhaust system in the car, and be going to the Muffler shop for repair.

StudeRich

S2DSteve
12-14-2009, 12:51 AM
I've been running antique plates in Oregon on Studebakers for years without a problem. The actual restriction is the car be used PRIMARILY in "hobby" activities and not "normally" for regular transportation. I suppose if you parked in the company lot on a regular basis, someone might complain, but law enforcement has better things to do than follow antique cars around to see if they stop at a grocery store. If you attracted their attention in some other way (i.e. having an accident), they might ask, but I wouldn't worry about it.



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Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

Mark57
12-14-2009, 01:04 AM
Your "Collector" plate status sounds like our "Antique" plate situation here in BC... very restrictive (parades, club meetings, repairs). But, we also have a "Collector" plate which allows the use of the vehicle on a daily basis for "pleasure" use - which includes any purpose except driving to work, school or for use in a business. :);)

Means the only limiting factor to daily usage is the weather! [:0]

<h5>[b]Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
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Invalid User Name
12-14-2009, 04:24 AM
This begs the question - what do they care? If the state has your money and your car is readily identifiable by the plate, why would they put up a fuss? Another law without reason or common sense.


Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
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492R5
12-14-2009, 05:57 AM
In Michigan you can run "Year of Manufacture" plates and pay a $35 registration fee once and it never expires as long as you own the vehicle & I believe there really isn't a mileage restriction. Or at least they never check!!! They really don't say that the car has to be used in parades. The only restriction is that they do not want them on daily drivers, but like I said, they never check so who would know.

barnlark
12-14-2009, 06:14 AM
Mine has similar restrictions; club events, parades, etc. I print out a year long car show event list that I carry in my car just in case. I'm sure such a list exists on the internet for your area. It is the law as a license restriction, so don't forget that. There's always a chance an officer will go by the book, but I haven't been pulled over yet. For peace of mind, get a regular plate.

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jclary
12-14-2009, 06:53 AM
Within the last couple of years, South Carolina has passed a vintage plate law with most of the customary restrictions you folks have already mentioned. However, one additional quirk to our law is that the plate must be kept in original condition. This means you can not "recondition" the plate in any way. You are not allowed to re-paint the tag. It must be in good usable condition, legible, with no touch up except for cleaning. Since our state only requires one plate on the back of the car, I have used other plates on the front bumper with no problem. On my '48 and '51 cars, I have Indiana plates of those years that I have displayed from time to time. Otherwise, I just run regular plates. I try to avoid those "Barney Fife" encounters as much as I can.

John Clary
Greer, SC
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mdelapp
12-14-2009, 07:00 AM
In Illinois you can get Antique car plates after a car is 25 years old. this is a reduced fee plate good for five years but restricts use to car events, repairs, test runs, etc like so many other states. They additionally allow you to display vintage plates so long as you keep the antique plate and its registration in the car.

One of the few Illinois regulations that seems to make senss, therefor I expect it to change soon.

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Guido
12-14-2009, 07:05 AM
Here in Virginia there has been abuse of the antique vehicle laws with many drivers using it as a means to avoid safety inspections and attempt to get a reduced rate on insurance. Many times I have seen '70's vintage pickups loaded to the gills with stuff or hauling a landscaping trailer full of mowers and weedeaters. There is actually a process in Virginia where you can report abuse to the State Police and they will investigate.

Violations include:
1. Vehicles registered as antiques used in a business or for business purposes
2. Vehicles (especially trucks) registered as antiques carrying cargo
3. Vehicles registered as antiques with oblivious safety violations.
(Violations do not include cosmetic defects such as primer spots, surface rust and poor quality paint).

The main thing to be concerned about is how your vehicle is insured. If it is strictly for show purposes and you are using it as a daily driver you will be SOL in the event of an accident and your insurer discovers this.




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Swifster
12-14-2009, 07:56 AM
I have yet to see a YOM law that was meant for a daily driver. That is why the plates are cheaper. The car isn't supposed to be on the road as a daily driver. It is for collector car related activities as most have mentioned. And being from Michigan, the wording is similar.

The reason? Taxes/registration fees. States let us put these plates on the cars at a discount. As mentioned, most police agencies don't enforce the law. I know here in Florida though, some of the old biddies like to tattle on people driving with YOM or Antique plates is they see them during the week. There have been two articles in the paper about people 'cheating' on their registration.

I personally love the YOM plates and want to run them on the Daytona & Commander. But I try to keep an eye out for a 'company car', either Studebaker or another make. And if I get one, I'll probably register it with regular plates with the same number as a YOM plate. I'll keep the new plate in the trunk and the old plate on the bumper. I'm not saying this is legal, and I won't get a ticket, but I might take the chance. The registration would be paid in full and the plate with the car soooooo....

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2161.27)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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55champion
12-14-2009, 08:17 AM
I have ran the YOM plates in North Carolina for years on my cars. However I do have a current plate under the seat of the car if I were to be stoped for any reason.I was told that was the way it was to be done in our state.

Skip Lackie
12-14-2009, 08:48 AM
Agree with Swifster. There are really two issues here: (1) the restrictions on usage that come with historic/antique plates, and (2) any additional rules attached to the use of YOM plates in place of (or in addition to) historic plates.

I wrote the historic license plate law for DC back in the mid-1970s, and based it on language in the laws from 4 or 5 other states. At the time (pre-internet), I was able to get copies of the historic plate laws from about 25 states, and I can verify that they differed very little.

First, as Tom has noted, historic plates are usually much cheaper than regular plates, so states don't want them used for daily transportation. Second, many of these laws were originally drafted (or an older "antique" law amended) in the 1970s in order to exempt historic vehicles from the blizzard of Federal safety and emissions regulations and laws then becoming effective. There was an informal network of hobbyists / lobbyists from all over North America who banded to together to prevent the passage of laws that would require retrofitting modern emissions or safety equipment to our vehicles.

In the end, the EPA permitted states to exempt historic vehicles from all of these regulations IF THE STATE LAW ALSO GREATLY RESITRICTED THE USE OF SUCH VEHICLES to hobby purposes, so as to limit their contribution to air pollution. That was the deal the hobby made with the Feds 35 years ago -- we would promise to only use our old vehicles for fun if they would exempt us from onerous regulations. I think it was a fair deal. There may be times when the limits seem restrictive, but most of us have limited-use insurance policies on our historic vehicles anyway. And as noted, enforcement is pretty lax most places.

YOM laws are a lot more variable, and often depend in part on whether the number on a YOM plate could be duplicated by a current-year plate (case in point: California). In addition, most states prohibit the use of repainted or restored plates for YOM usage on the grounds that the colors may not be correct.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

Johnnywiffer
12-14-2009, 09:10 AM
My '54 license has a little tag (ya gotta stand on your head to see it) that is good for 5 years. As you can see, the "old" license plate is slightly different from the new one, so if I drove the LC to the movies, I think Officer Friendly would not have a hard time discerning one from 'tother.

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Have not driven it anywhere in a while, so, fortunately, have not had to test the TX "antique" law.

John

Neal in NM
12-14-2009, 09:15 AM
When I went through the hassle of titling my ’48 truck I asked about using an original ’48 truck plate. The person at the DMV said sure!!! But in my state (NM) you can get away with just about anything. I am left to wonder; to get around the YOM or antique plate issue couldn’t you register the plate as if it is a vanity plate? Sure you may pay a little more but it would give you peace of mind and solve any legal issues. Neal

JDP
12-14-2009, 09:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by 55champion

I have ran the YOM plates in North Carolina for years on my cars. However I do have a current plate under the seat of the car if I were to be stoped for any reason.I was told that was the way it was to be done in our state.


Same as Maryland. You pay a one time fee to display YOM plates, but must keep current year plates in the car. No restrictions on use and they don't object to a restored plate unless it's a crappy DIY job. BTW, pro restorations just look like NOS YOM tags.

JDP/Maryland

JBOYLE
12-14-2009, 10:50 AM
To add to what Silverlark said...
I run Collector plates in Washington,and have never had any problem driving my cars for recreation. I've had police follow me in the Bearcat when I've accidently left my display plates (1914 New Mexico) showing and they've never stopped me.
They're probably too busy looking at the car or smart enough to think that a guy in a 96 year old roadster isn't out looking for trouble or scamming the state.

Heck, even if I did drive the Avant for daily use, I really don't think they'd mind.
My insurance company gives me more hassels on use restrictions than the state.

Aside from saving money (a one-time fee here), the best reason to use collector plates here is I don't have to display a front plate....a real bonus on an Avanti where front plates give it a buck tooth look, as well as the Bearcat where they block the radiator.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

dictator27
12-14-2009, 12:03 PM
Hey Mark, you mean you don't drive Mr. Greenjeans in the snow?:D[}:)][:0]

To add to what Mark said, in British Columbia antique plates can be put on vehicles built 1954 and earlier. If the police stop a vehicle with antique plates, the driver must be able to provide proof that he is going to/coming from a club function, ie. the events column of the club newsletter. If it is going to a repair shop, the Vancouver police have been known to follow the car to the shop to varify the driver's story. Rare, but it happens.

As Mark said, the only real restriction for collector plates is not driving the vehicle for work purposes. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that if a collector owns more than one car which is eligible for collector plates, several can be insured on one set of plates. Obviously only one vehicle can be driven at a time and it saves the hassle of having to cancel the insurance on one to
insure another along with the fees involved.

Terry

Mark57
12-14-2009, 12:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by dictator27

Hey Mark, you mean you don't drive Mr. Greenjeans in the snow?:D[}:)][:0]

As Mark said, the only real restriction for collector plates is not driving the vehicle for work purposes. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that if a collector owns more than one car which is eligible for collector plates, several can be insured on one set of plates. Obviously only one vehicle can be driven at a time and it saves the hassle of having to cancel the insurance on one to
insure another along with the fees involved.

Terry


Hah Hah Terry! I'm sure your 2 Studes don't see much wintertime action either.;)[:p]

With regards to the licence plate issues we're "special" as we have government licensing and basic insurance all rolled into one - unlike just about everywhere else! :)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
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oregonroses
12-14-2009, 01:18 PM
Well, looks like I'm not alone in this issue! Anyway, I purchased new plates for the '29, but will just carry them in the event I am pulled over! I know I'm hedging my bets, but sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!

1952 Champion
1948 Land Cruiser
1929 GE Dictator

Swifster
12-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Not all states restrict use to 'unrestored' plates, and there are ways around this if they will register it the first year (but maybe it's not up to your standards). Once registered, they are not usually asking to see the plate again. If the car or truck gets parked over the winter, send the plate out for restoration.

Another reason some states don't like them touched, and I'm sure this is a reason in D.C., is that they may be reflective. It's almost impossible to replicate to make it like new. The funny part is, most states had the prison system make their plates. And the quality control was less than stellar. I have a NOS, never registered MI plate from 1944 in it's original envelope. About 1/8" along one edge never got paint. What did get paint has 3 or 4 large runs in it, and the best part...there is hair in the paint.

The ironic part about restored plates is that they are usually far better than the prison ever made them. MI is one of the few states where restored plates have been accepted. Ohio is another.

Ohio is unique because they will let you run any plate you want as long as it matches the year of the car. If you want to run CA black plates on your '64 Hawk, go ahead. Or maybe those nice red plates from IN. Ohio requires that you buy their antique plate and keep it in the car at all times. This is your real plate. I think NC is the same way.

The mention of the vanity plate is interesting as I've thought about this. If I have a '63 Lark for a 'company car', used for my appraisal business, and I get the nice blue '63 Florida plate for my car and the number is '5 - 10617', I'm going to try to get the same number on a standard plate. I'll keep the plate inside the trunk or glove box while keeping the '63 plate on the car. Is this legal? Not here in Florida. But the registration would match and the plate would be with the car.

One last thing to keep in mind. All license plates belong to the state that issues them. Now when they are retired, the state doesn't care...until you install them as part of the YOM law. A policeman with cause, can confiscate your old plate because when you reregister it on your car, as it again becomes property of the state.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2161.27)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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Nelsen Motorsports
12-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Do they make you get antique plates in other states that only let you drive your car in a parade? If so, that is the biggest crap I have ever heard and would like to punch the man in the face who came up with that. Because, I know in GA all cars over 25 yrs. old get antique plates and there are no restrictions.

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1954 Champion Coupe
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