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kurtruk
01-24-2007, 06:28 PM
Does anyone have more info on this?
I've heard about this before, but today I heard a blurb on the radio that the good folks in Omaha (or was it Oklahoma?) that buried the new Plymouth Belevedere under City Hall in 1957 will be digging it up this year.

Why do I keep seeing in my mind Christine, the '57 Fury?[}:)][}:)][}:)]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

tstclr
01-24-2007, 06:58 PM
As a former owner of one of these cars (and I do miss her!), I know all about the buried 57 Plymouth. Here is the info from the forwardlook.net website (which BTW is a fantastic website on all "finned Chrysler products):
http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/countdown.asp

The official site with great photos is
http://www.buriedcar.com/

Todd


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tstclr
01-24-2007, 06:58 PM
As a former owner of one of these cars (and I do miss her!), I know all about the buried 57 Plymouth. Here is the info from the forwardlook.net website (which BTW is a fantastic website on all "finned Chrysler products):
http://www.forwardlook.net/19571958Plymouth/countdown.asp

The official site with great photos is
http://www.buriedcar.com/

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
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64 Daytona 4dr Sedan
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ST2DE5
01-24-2007, 07:10 PM
I was there when they buried it. With a bunch of other stuff. I believe its june. I was working at Triangle Blueprint running photostat machine. I be you don't hear about them anymore. I was the whole sum of 17 years old. Man I'm getting old

ST2DE5
01-24-2007, 07:10 PM
I was there when they buried it. With a bunch of other stuff. I believe its june. I was working at Triangle Blueprint running photostat machine. I be you don't hear about them anymore. I was the whole sum of 17 years old. Man I'm getting old

Studedude1961
01-24-2007, 07:54 PM
It isn't Omaha. Our City/County Building was built in 1977 and knowing city government at the time they probably buried a Plymouth Volare.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
01-24-2007, 07:54 PM
It isn't Omaha. Our City/County Building was built in 1977 and knowing city government at the time they probably buried a Plymouth Volare.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

ST2DE5
01-24-2007, 08:31 PM
It's Tulsa, Oklahoma

ST2DE5
01-24-2007, 08:31 PM
It's Tulsa, Oklahoma

Randy_G
01-24-2007, 09:05 PM
On June 15, 1957, a brand new gold and white 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Sport Coupe was buried in a time capsule at 6th St. and Denver Ave. in downtown Tulsa, Oklahoma. The time capsule was part of Golden Jubilee Week: Tulsa's celebration of Oklahoma's semi-centennial.

The car will be unearthed as part of the Oklahoma Centennial festivities on Friday, June 15, 2007. I may have to be late to South Bend as I have been waiting for over a year unlike some of you who have been waiting a whole lot longer to see this car unearthed. I have intentions of taking photo's of this car for the my site.


Randy_G
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Randy_G
01-24-2007, 09:05 PM
On June 15, 1957, a brand new gold and white 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Sport Coupe was buried in a time capsule at 6th St. and Denver Ave. in downtown Tulsa, Oklahoma. The time capsule was part of Golden Jubilee Week: Tulsa's celebration of Oklahoma's semi-centennial.

The car will be unearthed as part of the Oklahoma Centennial festivities on Friday, June 15, 2007. I may have to be late to South Bend as I have been waiting for over a year unlike some of you who have been waiting a whole lot longer to see this car unearthed. I have intentions of taking photo's of this car for the my site.


Randy_G
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JDP
01-24-2007, 09:08 PM
My bet is they're bring up a rust bucket unless the concrete box was really sealed well.


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JDP
01-24-2007, 09:08 PM
My bet is they're bring up a rust bucket unless the concrete box was really sealed well.


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Randy_G
01-24-2007, 09:37 PM
your right John, 1957 Plymouths are like Studebakers in one respect they have huge rust issues and from what I have read on this car. It was protected by a layer of plastic inside that concrete box. I know its going to be a rust bucket but it will still be interesting to see.

Randy_G
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Randy_G
01-24-2007, 09:37 PM
your right John, 1957 Plymouths are like Studebakers in one respect they have huge rust issues and from what I have read on this car. It was protected by a layer of plastic inside that concrete box. I know its going to be a rust bucket but it will still be interesting to see.

Randy_G
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8E45E
01-24-2007, 10:39 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JDP

My bet is they're bring up a rust bucket unless the concrete box was really sealed well.


Yep, this is something I'm quite curious to see as well, just how well it has stood up for 50 years in a concrete tomb. If it was really musty in there, I wonder just how rotten the interior will be, since '57 Chryco products didn't have the most durable interiors that year, either.

Craig

8E45E
01-24-2007, 10:39 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JDP

My bet is they're bring up a rust bucket unless the concrete box was really sealed well.


Yep, this is something I'm quite curious to see as well, just how well it has stood up for 50 years in a concrete tomb. If it was really musty in there, I wonder just how rotten the interior will be, since '57 Chryco products didn't have the most durable interiors that year, either.

Craig

65cruiser
01-25-2007, 05:45 AM
Maybe we should start a contest here. Rustbucket or not?

Interesting, but I did read where they did a lot of preparation on that car, but short of spraying it down with Cosmolene, I'm going to bet it's got rust, and probably in some strange places.

If not, somebody's going to win a goldmine.

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65cruiser
01-25-2007, 05:45 AM
Maybe we should start a contest here. Rustbucket or not?

Interesting, but I did read where they did a lot of preparation on that car, but short of spraying it down with Cosmolene, I'm going to bet it's got rust, and probably in some strange places.

If not, somebody's going to win a goldmine.

________________________
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1965 Cruiser
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bigaadams
01-25-2007, 05:50 AM
Also..this car is to be given away to the individual or heir to his/her estate, for the correct guess of the population of Tulsa at the 50 year mark along with a 100 dollar savings bond..the car was lowered in the vault on a steel pallet and set up on jacks to protect the rubber..the glove box was to hold items that would be found in the average ladies purse for the period. Plenty other odds and ends..shinky or rusty, win or loose..it is going to be a huge event..there will be Plymouth cars of all ages in abundance..lot of the guys I know are going and bring their vintage cars with them..hotels are and has been booked for a long time in prep for the event. The major road work over the years at one of the busier intersections has encroached upon the location of the vault..wether it is intact or not is anyone guess..if not...well..you going to have a 57 in a fishbowl...

bigaadams
01-25-2007, 05:50 AM
Also..this car is to be given away to the individual or heir to his/her estate, for the correct guess of the population of Tulsa at the 50 year mark along with a 100 dollar savings bond..the car was lowered in the vault on a steel pallet and set up on jacks to protect the rubber..the glove box was to hold items that would be found in the average ladies purse for the period. Plenty other odds and ends..shinky or rusty, win or loose..it is going to be a huge event..there will be Plymouth cars of all ages in abundance..lot of the guys I know are going and bring their vintage cars with them..hotels are and has been booked for a long time in prep for the event. The major road work over the years at one of the busier intersections has encroached upon the location of the vault..wether it is intact or not is anyone guess..if not...well..you going to have a 57 in a fishbowl...

John Kirchhoff
01-25-2007, 08:49 AM
The website says the car was wrapped in a cosmoline like substance. Ain't that going to be fun getting off!

John Kirchhoff
01-25-2007, 08:49 AM
The website says the car was wrapped in a cosmoline like substance. Ain't that going to be fun getting off!

bigaadams
01-25-2007, 09:02 AM
I think they did try to do it like the military does when they mothball an item and put in deep storage..

I beleive also I read that there was going to be some major media coverage of the event. This has everyone guessing at the moment..will be different for sure..it is really building momentum as the day draws nearer.

I bet its going to be wall to wall people at that event...I will wait for the FILM AT ELEVEN

bigaadams
01-25-2007, 09:02 AM
I think they did try to do it like the military does when they mothball an item and put in deep storage..

I beleive also I read that there was going to be some major media coverage of the event. This has everyone guessing at the moment..will be different for sure..it is really building momentum as the day draws nearer.

I bet its going to be wall to wall people at that event...I will wait for the FILM AT ELEVEN

blackhawk61
01-25-2007, 09:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by kurtruk



Does anyone have more info on this?
I've heard about this before, but today I heard a blurb on the radio that the good folks in Omaha (or was it Oklahoma?) that buried the new Plymouth Belevedere under City Hall in 1957 will be digging it up this year.
[}:)]Why do I keep seeing in my mind Christine, the '57 Fury?
BTW....Christine was a 1958 fury ! ;)


KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))


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blackhawk61
01-25-2007, 09:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by kurtruk



Does anyone have more info on this?
I've heard about this before, but today I heard a blurb on the radio that the good folks in Omaha (or was it Oklahoma?) that buried the new Plymouth Belevedere under City Hall in 1957 will be digging it up this year.
[}:)]Why do I keep seeing in my mind Christine, the '57 Fury?
BTW....Christine was a 1958 fury ! ;)


KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))


1961 Hawk 4BC,4-SPEED,TT
http://sixty5short.chevytalk-supporter.org/blackhawk61/rrhawk.jpg
Lewisville,NC
(formerly chevpartsman)

Swifster
01-25-2007, 09:14 AM
I'm going with rust bucket.

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Swifster
01-25-2007, 09:14 AM
I'm going with rust bucket.

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tstclr
01-25-2007, 09:30 AM
You can all assume that if it does survive in decent condition, it will likely show up at the 2008 Barrett-Jackson! [}:)]

Todd


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tstclr
01-25-2007, 09:30 AM
You can all assume that if it does survive in decent condition, it will likely show up at the 2008 Barrett-Jackson! [}:)]

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
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64 Daytona 4dr Sedan
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Roscomacaw
01-25-2007, 09:59 AM
How would a '57 Stude have held up to the same treatment[:0][?]:([?]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-25-2007, 09:59 AM
How would a '57 Stude have held up to the same treatment[:0][?]:([?]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

tstclr
01-25-2007, 12:47 PM
Good point. They picked a 57 Plymouth because of it's advanced styling (their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!" but a Hawk would have fit the bill nicely!
Todd


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64 Daytona 4dr Sedan
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tstclr
01-25-2007, 12:47 PM
Good point. They picked a 57 Plymouth because of it's advanced styling (their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!" but a Hawk would have fit the bill nicely!
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
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64 Daytona 4dr Sedan
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mbstude
01-25-2007, 03:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJ4sbycEkI


quote:their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!"

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mbstude
01-25-2007, 03:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJ4sbycEkI


quote:their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!"

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
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52hawk
01-25-2007, 07:16 PM
Depending on how much cosmoline was used,and where it was placed,it could come out pretty darn nice. If they didn't coat the bottom of the car,it will come out in pieces. I'd love to be there for this event!!

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52hawk
01-25-2007, 07:16 PM
Depending on how much cosmoline was used,and where it was placed,it could come out pretty darn nice. If they didn't coat the bottom of the car,it will come out in pieces. I'd love to be there for this event!!

LaSalle,Il
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Roscomacaw
01-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Todd writes:"Good point. They picked a 57 Plymouth because of it's advanced styling (their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!" but a Hawk would have fit the bill nicely!"

That line should have been borrowed when they introduced the Avanti. With a twist.... "Suddenly it's the new millenium!" [:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Todd writes:"Good point. They picked a 57 Plymouth because of it's advanced styling (their slogan was "Suddenly, it's 1960!" but a Hawk would have fit the bill nicely!"

That line should have been borrowed when they introduced the Avanti. With a twist.... "Suddenly it's the new millenium!" [:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
01-25-2007, 09:32 PM
Actually, if you go to the website, the pictures support a bottom covering. It looks like they put the cosmoline down, then set the car on it. Then it looks like the tires got wrapped and the car's exterior lastly.
I've pulled cosmoline wrapped stuff that the military had stored in one of it's supply depots for over fifty years. It comes out without sticking to the paint and looking brand new![:0] This car should come out looking like it did the day they entombed it.[:X] That is, unless the vault had standing water in it. A little moisture won't affect the cosmoline, standing water will ruin it.

Here's some pics that were posted on that site:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrap.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrapfront.jpg
Notice the can of sealer/glue. Also notice that the covering goes entirely under the car. This can be seen in the front shot as well.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrapwheel.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furyfullwrap.jpg
As you can see in these shots the job was pretty thoroughly done. Chances are the car will be in excellent shape when they pull it out in June. I wish there was a way to go back in time and entomb a few Studes this way. Though... I think a warehouse or other above-ground storage would be better...



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studeclunker
01-25-2007, 09:32 PM
Actually, if you go to the website, the pictures support a bottom covering. It looks like they put the cosmoline down, then set the car on it. Then it looks like the tires got wrapped and the car's exterior lastly.
I've pulled cosmoline wrapped stuff that the military had stored in one of it's supply depots for over fifty years. It comes out without sticking to the paint and looking brand new![:0] This car should come out looking like it did the day they entombed it.[:X] That is, unless the vault had standing water in it. A little moisture won't affect the cosmoline, standing water will ruin it.

Here's some pics that were posted on that site:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrap.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrapfront.jpg
Notice the can of sealer/glue. Also notice that the covering goes entirely under the car. This can be seen in the front shot as well.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furybottomwrapwheel.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/57furyfullwrap.jpg
As you can see in these shots the job was pretty thoroughly done. Chances are the car will be in excellent shape when they pull it out in June. I wish there was a way to go back in time and entomb a few Studes this way. Though... I think a warehouse or other above-ground storage would be better...



http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

kurtruk
01-26-2007, 12:28 AM
Can you imagine the hullabaloo if they had happened to pick a '57 Chebby instead?[:0] Considering the status and stature these cars hold (YAWN) in the old car world, people would be...well, I hate to think what they'd be doing. Jay Leno wouldn't have enough money to buy it. And I think a whole lot of these "100% factory original" owners would be exposed about things like "Original assembly line inspection chalk marks" [B)]blah blah blah[B)][}:)]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

kurtruk
01-26-2007, 12:28 AM
Can you imagine the hullabaloo if they had happened to pick a '57 Chebby instead?[:0] Considering the status and stature these cars hold (YAWN) in the old car world, people would be...well, I hate to think what they'd be doing. Jay Leno wouldn't have enough money to buy it. And I think a whole lot of these "100% factory original" owners would be exposed about things like "Original assembly line inspection chalk marks" [B)]blah blah blah[B)][}:)]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

Blue 15G
01-26-2007, 06:09 AM
My friend's uncle bought a new '57 Plymouth and after it was paid off three years later he junked it exactly one month later. The car was that bad. The rumor on these cars was that you didn't sit in one too long on a rainy day or you would drown. And their ability to rust out actually exceeded Studebaker's, which was quite an accomplishment.

I work with an older gentleman who also bought a '57 Plymouth brand new, and he never bought another Chrysler product again.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big Mopar fan. They are my daily driver cars. But the '57s were not one of Chrysler's best ideas, at least not from a quality standpoint.

I do wish it was a Studebaker that was buried in the time capsule. But I'll still be interested in the ceremony.

I say: "Put a new battery in, some gas, and FIRE THAT MOTHER UP!!!" [:0]

Blue 15G
01-26-2007, 06:09 AM
My friend's uncle bought a new '57 Plymouth and after it was paid off three years later he junked it exactly one month later. The car was that bad. The rumor on these cars was that you didn't sit in one too long on a rainy day or you would drown. And their ability to rust out actually exceeded Studebaker's, which was quite an accomplishment.

I work with an older gentleman who also bought a '57 Plymouth brand new, and he never bought another Chrysler product again.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big Mopar fan. They are my daily driver cars. But the '57s were not one of Chrysler's best ideas, at least not from a quality standpoint.

I do wish it was a Studebaker that was buried in the time capsule. But I'll still be interested in the ceremony.

I say: "Put a new battery in, some gas, and FIRE THAT MOTHER UP!!!" [:0]

JBOYLE
01-26-2007, 08:52 AM
The website mentions they put a gas can (looks like the old DX brand "Super Boron" in the photos) and a few quarts of oil in the trunk. Hope they didn't leak.

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JBOYLE
01-26-2007, 08:52 AM
The website mentions they put a gas can (looks like the old DX brand "Super Boron" in the photos) and a few quarts of oil in the trunk. Hope they didn't leak.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State