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simplijm
11-09-2009, 12:12 PM
I recently bought a 1950 Commander Land Cruiser, had it shipped, found a place to store it and feebly work on it. Now that I've had a chance to get into the car, its WAY more than I know how to do. The car itself is in drivable condition, if it would start, I just don't know what to do next to get it to. The area I have to work on it is less than ideal as I have no way to get under the car plus poor lighting and NO electricity. Anyone interested in purchasing a project car? I have ordered a wiring harness so I would include that, plus a Chassis parts catalog, two shop manuals, a new 6 volt battery, NJ title, and an owner's manual too. So far I'm in around $4500 and it would be nice to not loose more than a few hundred bucks on my silly escapade.[B)]:(

Vehicle is near Rochester, NY. You would have to come and get it or arrange for shipping.

You can see pictures at http://www.tco-solutions.com/lc/default.html and I can post more of specific areas by request.

simplijm
11-09-2009, 12:16 PM
I forgot to add, I ordred the production order so that's included as well.

Serial #: 4443743
Engine #: H41815I (I think those are supposed to be one's but they look like "I"s)
Body Tag: 17A-Y5-16919


Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

dean pearson
11-09-2009, 12:24 PM
Ok man surely a little engine trouble isn't goin to discourage you. Thats a nice looking car!
Like that old Indian Dude in the Outlaw Josey Whales said:

"We Must Endevor to persivere"

Hope I spelled at least part of that right,

Dean.

tbredehoft
11-09-2009, 01:01 PM
The first thing you want to do is replace those 12 volt battery cables with No. 0 6 volt cables. The load of cranking that 245 CI engine is more than those little wires will handle.

Try a Farm and Fleet or Tractor Supply Co. for the right cables.

That car is in too good shape to loose. Hard to believe they made 17,000 '50 Land Cruisers.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
....On the road, again....
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

Pat Skelly
11-09-2009, 01:35 PM
Don't give up on it so soon. Surely their is a Stude nut or two closeby who would lend a hand. Get it to run and you'll feel much better, about your project.

Pat Skelly
'62 GT Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'37 Dictator Coupe

BobGlasscock
11-09-2009, 01:42 PM
Simplijm, I have gone back to all of the posts you have made to try to update myself on what you have told us about your car and its problems. I couldn't find any, so would love for you to let us know what is wrong with the car before you give up on it. There are a lot of guys who can give a lot of help to you right here on the forum. They know details and methods and tricks to get your problem fixed. It would mean a lot to me if you give this a chance and end up with the joy and satisfaction that this hobby can provide to you.

Thanks, Bob

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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Mark57
11-09-2009, 01:54 PM
Let me add my voice of encouragement. I am certainly not a mechanic in any sense of the word, but through the use of a shop manual, good folks here on the Forum and in my local Chapter, it is amazing what can be accomplished. Consider purchasing a small generator (they are cheap these days) to give yourself some 120V power to provide lighting and some juice for various power tools.

Unless this is your only driver, there is no time limit on getting her up and running again! ;):) Keep us posted.

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
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simplijm
11-09-2009, 02:05 PM
First off, thank you all for the encouragement. Tom, how do you know those are not 6 V battery cables!? I have no idea what the difference is. I would LOVE to get into the car and work on it. I'm not afraid to get dirty, but this is a little more than what I had bargained for.

I failed to mention, there is more to it than just ineptitude, trepidation, and lack of time/effort. I hit a major "domestic" hurdle and, in order to bring peace, this might be the best option.

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

tbredehoft
11-09-2009, 02:13 PM
No. 0 cables are almost 1/2 inch thick, the 5/16 ground strap (from the battery to the front head bolt) is the give-away.

My first Studebaker was a '50 Land Cruiser, back in '56. I'd love to have another one, but I, too, might have domestic problems if I added another car.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
....On the road, again....
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

simplijm
11-09-2009, 02:31 PM
hrm . . . I guess I'll have to look into getting the right cables.

PackardV8
11-09-2009, 02:37 PM
FWIW, the 1950 Land Cruiser is considered by some the ne plus ultra of the pre-V8 Studebakers. It has the long wheelbase, the bullet nose front and many other unique features. In fact, if it were on the left coast, and if I were willing to be divorced, I'd buy it from you.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

Swifster
11-09-2009, 04:01 PM
Jim, a running car will sell for more than a non-running car. I think you'll find that along with the satisfaction of doing your own work, there will be monetary rewards as well.

Wouldn't it be nice to take the significant other to the drive-in for a burger and soda before you get rid of it?

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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dean pearson
11-09-2009, 04:11 PM
Am I correct in assuming that your domestic hurdle is that "mama" don't like it?
If so boy can I relate to that! Well she didn't like it at first anyway, since it has kinda grown on her.

I'm sure you will make the choice that is right for you and I hope you choose to keep pluggin away at it.

Where is this car?

Dean.

simplijm
11-09-2009, 07:37 PM
Dean ans Swifster, thanks guys. I would like to get it running and I know it would garner more running than not, but that'll take $ and she's got me on lock down there. I'm hoping that she'll come around in time, but I'm prepared to let it go while trying to convince her. Also, its in upstate NY and winter is quickly approaching. If it doesn't move soon, nothings going to happen until spring. I might be able to get the new wiring harness in by then and get it running so the situation may change dramatically then.

Until then though, I think I'll keep it open for sale should anyone be interested.

Johnnywiffer
11-09-2009, 07:48 PM
Man!!! [u]THAT</u> is a YELLOW car!!

But so what? LOVE to have it in MY collection. (Dreamer!)

John

dean pearson
11-09-2009, 09:26 PM
Let me bore you with my story,
When I first saw my car I had to have it, it was a partially disassembled (the front sheetmetal was off) 52 2 door hard top and I liked the look but then the guy selling it cinched the deal by telling me that it came with everyhing to put a 50 bullet nose on it.
I hate to admit what I paid but I will. The car originally said on the window "$7500.00 plus parts" when I asked about the parts being included he said no the parts are an extra $2000.00.
At that point I told him he was crazy and proceeded to go home.
As I was leaving he asked me what I was willing to pay? I simply said that I would not pay any extra for the parts so...
This was a Thursday, I left there and called my bank to borrow $8.000.00 all without even telling my wife due to the fact that I knew she would throw a fit.
On Friday after I got off work I went to the bank, signed all the papers and walked out of there with the money.
Went to the guy's house and did my best to talk him down all I could but he wouldn't budge, tryed the walk out the gate thing again and still no budge so in the end I made him throw in a welding machine and the car was mine.
Now for the hard part, Telling the wife!
It took me a week to get up the go nads to do that and man what a ride it was..WHEEW, she was P.Oed!
For two weeks it was a battle royal and then it started to simmer down. As an extra precaution I waited another three weeks to bring it home. That was a perfectly good waste of three weeks because when she saw it the battle started all over just as if I had bought it that day.
Now thankfully after all that I have the, well "one" of the cars of my dreams.
Now she just throws a fit when she catches me buying parts or when I track grease in the house on the new travertine floor I had to put in to appease her. Dollar wise she far more than got even, actually she got even three times.
But dammit I wanted it and did what it took to get it.

Hopefully this makes you feel a little better, now get that darned thing running and be glad you aren't doing a frame off narrowed rear end like I am.

Best of luck,

Dean.

studeclunker
11-09-2009, 09:51 PM
What a beautiful car! Hey, cover it with a soft cloth, or proper car cover (NO PLASTIC!) roll her back into the shed (moth balls and dryer cloths everywhere) and let her sleep through another winter. Don't forget to put just a wee bit of Miracle oil in each cylinder.;) Just a wee squirt or two will do. Then let the old lady sleep the winter away. Your Lady at home will have time to cool down and spring may come around with more time and money to get the old girl going again. Don't forget, do all the things you were during dating to get your Lady, so she'll be in a better mood around April.;) Flowers, candy, music, whatever it is that catches her fancy. Just make sure that she knows you still have the car without making an issue of it. That way when you are able to get back to the old lady, you Lady at home won't be angry all over again. "WHAT??? I thought you got rid of that StudeCLUNKER!" No, no, no surprises or confrontations.;) Besides, if one keeps courting one's chosen, the relationship stays fresh and fun!:D

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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Pat Dilling
11-09-2009, 11:22 PM
In addition to all the things that Ron suggested, be sure it has good antifreeze in it for the New York winter ahead. Good luck on all fronts, automotive and domestic!

Pat

Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
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candbstudebakers
11-09-2009, 11:41 PM
It's funny how lots of you guys have a problem with lady of the house, maybe you have not been married long enough, I have never had a bad word or a why did you buy that, and longer we are together now the fewer cars I am picking up I have had over 200 Studebakers and still only one wife and as the saying goes until death do us part, Studebakers come and go all the time some she has never even seen and now never will, but life goes on still with the same one for going on 48 years and I live in California too...Bob

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Castro Valley, CA
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wcarroll@outrageous.net
11-10-2009, 03:41 AM
Appears to be one of those Truly Nolen Pest Control cars as discussed here on the forum a while back.

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bams50
11-10-2009, 04:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

It's funny how lots of you guys have a problem with lady of the house, maybe you have not been married long enough, I have never had a bad word or a why did you buy


I agree with that Bob! I've never understood the "wife says it's got to go" thing. I've never allowed that. As long as the bills are paid, family has what they need and most of what they want, mine has no right to tell me what I can't have. Of course, that was established from the very beginning, Linda would never imagine dictating that to me. I could never be told something like that, but TEHOhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif

It might help that for most of our 24 years Linda lived as a race car driver's girl- I was racing when I met her, and she lived that life for a long time... so when I stopped she had zero problem with me dragging in all the old cars I wanted;) Now that I coming out of retirement she's a little concerned (but supportive), but there's no such thing as "you cant" I am a grown man, after all...

Of course, mostly it's because I lucked onto the best girl on the planet[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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[b]GOD BLESS AMERICA

Invalid User Name
11-10-2009, 06:05 AM
Years ago a friend of mine gave me the best advice I ever had in restoring cars. You DON'T start out restoring the car. You pick one item and only one item to restore. This week I will restore the left front fender. The rest of the project doesn't exist - only that fender. Next week, after you have finished the fender you pick the next part to work on. Unless you are very experienced in restoration, a project is just over whelming.
If you are having trouble getting the car running just remember the 3 elements to an engine. Fuel, compression and spark. Start with one of these 3 items and eleminate all possible defects. Good luck. If I can do it, anybody can because I have zero mechanical abilities.

Doug

Venice, Florida
1950 Champion 9G F1

jackb
11-10-2009, 08:04 AM
is it only me or was their some inappropriate language or comment made above....I'm surprised this forum editor allowed it....if so, Mr. Editor....please do a better job.....(I'm not of that persuasion)

simplijm
11-10-2009, 11:35 AM
Thank you all again for your support.[8D][8D]

Invalid, I realize that it is a REALLY large project, so I already have the "one piece at a time" mentality, but thanks for the reminder. I needed it!:D

I really don't know how to repond to the guys about the whole domestic situation so I'm just going to say each marriage is different and hopefully leave it at that.;) ( Boy, I hope I just didn't lob a grenade there!)

wcarroll, it was a Nolen car. And I also noticed while poking around, that it looks like it was originally Green. I'm STILL waiting for my production order so I'll know definitively what color it SHOULD be when that arrives.

I checked and it doesn't appear that there is any antifreeze in it now, should I add some? What is this "Miracle Oil" and do I just unscrew the sparkplug and put a few drops in that way, or is there a better way? I'm going to Sears at lunch to get a generic cover, some 30w oil with ZDDP (or ZDDP addative if they don't have it) after checking the oil and finding it low, and I guess some antifreeze.

Once again, thanks for the encouragement!:)

BobGlasscock
11-10-2009, 11:59 AM
Maybe you'll learn it was Bermuda Green and we'll have matching colors! :)

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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37Dictator
11-10-2009, 01:12 PM
If your car doesn't have any coolant in it now, i would just leave it empty, but make sure you drain it, and don't just assume its gone. The trouble with freezing is that the water expands and can crack the engine block, radiator, whatever. If you have NO water in it, nothing will expand when it gets below freezing so there won't be any trouble.

studeclunker
11-10-2009, 10:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by simplijm

Thank you all again for your support.[8D][8D]

Invalid, I realize that it is a REALLY large project, so I already have the "one piece at a time" mentality, but thanks for the reminder. I needed it!:D

I really don't know how to repond to the guys about the whole domestic situation so I'm just going to say each marriage is different and hopefully leave it at that.;) ( Boy, I hope I just didn't lob a grenade there!)

wcarroll, it was a Nolen car. And I also noticed while poking around, that it looks like it was originally Green. I'm STILL waiting for my production order so I'll know definitively what color it SHOULD be when that arrives.

I checked and it doesn't appear that there is any antifreeze in it now, should I add some? What is this "Miracle Oil" and do I just unscrew the sparkplug and put a few drops in that way, or is there a better way? I'm going to Sears at lunch to get a generic cover, some 30w oil with ZDDP (or ZDDP addative if they don't have it) after checking the oil and finding it low, and I guess some antifreeze.

Once again, thanks for the encouragement!:)


Okay, so it's yellow, it could be worse. It could be peeling and RUSTY. The car has decent paint, a nice interior, and seems to be complete. What's the issue here? Am I missing something?

If you can, get 15W 30 for Diesel. You want the farm equipment version of it. Reason being, it has the right viscosity and the detergents needed for an engine as old as yours. Then again, it really doesn't matter much till you get it going.

Marvel Mystery Oil is an all purpose additive for old cars like yours. It's really good for moth-balling a car. Keeps things oily and the rusties away.;) You can find it at your local Wally-World or any Friendly Local Auto Parts Store. Or FLAPS as they call them around here. Anyway Miracle Oil won't set you back more than a few bucks.;):D Four ounces or so in the crank case when you put in the new oil, and a couple of tablespoons in each cylinder. Don't forget to put the spark plugs back in when you're done.;)

Another thing, if you can, turn the engine over once or twice by hand (since the electric/mechanical way isn't currently available), once a month. You'll be a lot better off if you do. Pull the sparkplugs first. It's much easier to turn over the engine when you're not fighting the compression. And don't forget;) to put the spark plugs back in when you're done.:) You don't want Mrs. Frisby setting up house in there.;)[xx(]

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rockne10
11-10-2009, 11:04 PM
Any mechanic can do a simple (virtually free) test to see if the existing coolant is sufficient to keep the block from cracking in the Rochester winter. You can probably pick up a cheap tester for less than ten bucks and do it yourself. Sounds like now is not the best time to spend on non-necessities. If the engine turns over I wouldn't worry about changing oil or adding ZDDP or even buying a cover. Throw a sheet over it. Settle back for the winter. Take care of the home front.
Come spring, we'll help you maximize what you've got, either with an eye to making it something you and the missus will enjoy or preparing it to sell at a profit rather than a loss.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
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simplijm
11-13-2009, 05:40 AM
Well, I guess I won't be selling the Land Cruiser for a little while. I was informed last night that I will not be getting anything from Santa this year as I have already bought my christmas present for myself. Now to figure out what to start on. That's fopr a whole different thread.

Thank you all for you support, I'll get pictures and project updates going as soon as I can.

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

belgum
11-13-2009, 07:14 AM
boy am i a lucky guy, i went on a trip with a buddy of mine and ran across a 42 stude pick up and bought it with out consulting my wife, when she seen it see said very cool truck but then i have been draging things home for years she knows i will never change give your wife time she will come around its a studebaker for gods sake

randy belgum

fred k.
11-13-2009, 10:28 PM
Yea I am in the middle of to cars and the other night my wife told me what she would like me to build next,I guess you reep what you sow.

fred