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candbstudebakers
11-05-2009, 01:16 AM
Can some one shed some light on why the Lark and the Avanti both use the same length frame and the same rear end but different length traction bars? and the hawk with the 120 inch frame the longest uses the same bar as the avanti with the 109 inch frame all using the same rear end? and the funny part about it is the short lark gets the longest bar and moves the frame bracket right up to the spring perch, this make no seance to me and the suppler has no answers to the question...Help, help, help...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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barnlark
11-05-2009, 06:26 AM
Which one of those cars are you working on, Bob?

Flashback
11-05-2009, 07:57 AM
I can't. I am still stuck back in the day. It's
Traction Masters for me. I would still like to
know the answer.

Tex E. Grier
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fred k.
11-05-2009, 09:01 AM
He is working on a 63 lark.

fred

woodysrods
11-05-2009, 09:15 AM
When I got my 56 Hawk it came with traction bars, but I thought they were home made and just added on. Did hawks come with a traction bar? Is so does anyone have any pictures or lengths??

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
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fred k.
11-05-2009, 09:29 AM
They are a real simple bar comes off the top of the rear end sorry no pictures but they are 19-1/2" long, And looks like about a 1/2" dia. bar with an eye at each end with a rubber bushing.

fred

candbstudebakers
11-05-2009, 09:34 AM
Iam working on my 63 standard, mid year they did not call them larks, that's when they gave them names, Daytona, Cruiser ,Standard, Cruiser started in 61, in the parts book under the Avanti section shows the bars. traction master was a brand name in the 50's

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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Pat Dilling
11-05-2009, 10:21 AM
Not to Hijack Bob's thread, but you can still get Traction Masters: http://tractionmaster.com/index.html Might be the period correct piece for your 40s and 50s vintage Stude. They say they make custom applications, maybe they already have one for Studebakers. Would not be hard to adapt in any case.

Pat

Pat Dilling
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Flashback
11-05-2009, 10:31 AM
puttum om my 53 this week.

Tex E. Grier
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Pat Dilling
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
Tex, post pictures please. As you do it and finished if you can

thanks

Pat

Pat Dilling
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candbstudebakers
11-05-2009, 01:28 PM
Mike are you saying the perch on the Avanti is different than the lark ? I don't think so, no reason I can see the the lark and the Avanti are not the same same frame , same rear end Why????

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StudeDave57
11-05-2009, 03:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

Mike are you saying the perch on the Avanti is different than the lark ? I don't think so, no reason I can see the the lark and the Avanti are not the same same frame , same rear end Why???? Bob
All those parts might be the same,
but are those BODIES the same [?] [?] [?]

I don't think so... ;) [:0] :D [:o)]

You could prove me wrong. You have one of each-
take their bodies off their frames and show me.


StudeDave '57 [8D]

mbstude
11-05-2009, 03:24 PM
Can anyone tell me if these are original Traction Masters? Or something else? I assume they were installed in '53, the same time the Caddie engine was dropped in..

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/studillac_53002.jpg

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

StudeRich
11-05-2009, 04:13 PM
Matt that spring plate appears to have THREE ears on it! Studebaker never did that, so it must be custom made, looks good though!

The Traction bars were first used by Studebaker on 1963 Models.

Traction Masters, on the other hand are just a name brand for a Traction Bar, just like Jello is a name brand for a gelatin Desert, but who calls it that?

Bob, what have you been smokin over there in that C&B Garage?

Studebaker called the Larks and Lark types "LARK" all the way through the 1963 model year and into '64 on the Challenger, and the brochure incorrectly, actually calls BOTH the Challenger AND the Commanders LARKS!

You will NEVER find an original unmolested '63 Lark Regal, Custom, Daytona, Cruiser or non-Standard Wagonaire WITHOUT the 1343230W, 231W, 232W and 233W front fender "L A R K" chrome block letters.
AND...the Sixes even have the Lark bird on the Grille Badge and the Deck Lid Emblem! [^]

Cheapie Standards did not have them.

I think the reason for the Hawk Traction bars on the Avanti may be that huge, way different Rear Stabilizer bar under the trunk floor that may have interfered with the Traction bars, the Stabilizer could not be used on Lark/Hawk because they have gas tanks there.

StudeRich

Mr Speed 53
11-05-2009, 05:34 PM
I bought Lark style brackets from Phil at Fairborn Stude.The Avanti style are different and dont slip in like the Lark type with the body on the frame.I think Hawk and Avanti bars are the same length and Larks are different.I have Original Lark type I cam measure if you want.Malcom Berry makes adjustable type bars that are available thru Phil also so I would call them they are very helpful.Ed

Mr Speed 53
11-05-2009, 05:35 PM
I bought Lark style brackets from Phil at Fairborn Stude.The Avanti style are different and dont slip in like the Lark type with the body on the frame.I think Hawk and Avanti bars are the same length and Larks are different.I have Original Lark type I cam measure if you want.Malcom Berry makes adjustable type bars that are available thru Phil also so I would call them they are very helpful.Ed

nels
11-05-2009, 09:30 PM
The two different length bars is a little strange. I heard one time that it was for clearance to miss the Lark wheel house. The other oddity is that there is a right and left and a front and back.

StudeDave57
11-05-2009, 10:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Matt that spring plate appears to have THREE ears on it! Studebaker never did that, so it must be custom made, looks good though! StudeRich
I see two plates there-
one with two ears, and another with one ear~
plus one extra looong u-bolt!!!!

(and a sway bar, too...?)

YIKES!!!! ;) :D [:0]


StudeDave '57 [8D]

fred k.
11-05-2009, 11:43 PM
The bars in matts photo are nothing like the bars I put on Bobs car today his were mounted on top of the rear end not the bottom.

fred

candbstudebakers
11-06-2009, 10:21 AM
Rich and Mike you are right about the inter wheel well area of the body is in the way of the shorter bars, but even where we had to put them we had to dent in the area some to fit, So Rich the Standards are the only mid year cars they didn't call larks? there is nothing on mine showing it as a lark except the shape of the car, no emblems, only the same Studebaker on the front fenders, you might be right as I do find you right most of the time if not all, if so I stand corrected, ..Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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candbstudebakers
11-06-2009, 10:30 AM
A funny thing happened to me last night when I opened this post to see what answers I was getting, my first sight of Rich's was this D...m know it all guy is full of Bs on this one and was in the possess of answering his post with what went through my head at that time, was just about finished writing my answer and the screen went blank with every thing I said, I was tired and told myself I will answer it tomorrow as I didn't want to do it all over then, I get up now and my post is nothing like what went through my head last night, funny this has happened before a few times, just wanted to share this happening...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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Huck
11-07-2009, 11:06 AM
Slightly off topic but there was a Dearborn MI hot rod club, back in the day,named "The Traction Masters". Traction Masters were a popular brand and I'm sure advertised in Hot Rod magazine. Huck

Gary Hildebrandt