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shewolf
11-03-2009, 10:38 PM
This car is a recent aquisition of an online aquaintance. He is trying to assess what his abilities with it are at the moment but he and I would both like to know what if anything is not correct. I am pretty positive the hubcaps are wrong and maybe the wheels. The seats look odd to me,are they correct? He hasnt been able to get either the hood or the trunk open as yet but will send more pics when he can. He will also send floor pics. Opinions? Steve (sorry, didnt check the sign-in)


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Can't wait to drive my V-8!
'63 Lark

wolfie
11-03-2009, 10:40 PM
Oh, and brownie points if you can offer any knowledge of the ornament being held up. Steve

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sals54
11-03-2009, 10:49 PM
shewolf.. be very careful opening the hood for the first time. The lever is in the grill on the drivers side, just to the right of the nose of the hood. Pull it toward you to release the latch. When you open the hood, pull the hood directly toward you while pulling up slightly. This is important so the hood corners do not bend. Please do this gently until you get the hang of it. Then, when you get the hood open, oil the hinges at all points before you close the hood again. The car looks fabulous. The wheel covers are not correct, but its difficult to know of the wheels. The seats appear to be correct, but the upholstery is suspect. Looks like a great car. Good luck.

sals54
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wolfie
11-03-2009, 11:00 PM
Yes, I already cautioned him about the hood, including that meat hook thingy that digs a hole in your head. He hasnt really had time to work with it but I am suspect someone has added a safety latch of some sort (maybe the tractor pin trick?). I think some spray oil and careful inspection will cure the problem. The trunk seems to be simply locked. Does the butterfly and/or the lockset turn counterclockwise to open? I dont remember without searching.

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StudeRich
11-03-2009, 11:07 PM
The rear seat has a seat cover over it, and may be original under it.
The front is reupholstered in a plain Vinyl instead of the pleated inserts it had.

These seats were kind of a 60/40 with the drivers' side being smaller to allow easier entry to the back seat on the right (curb) side.

The wheel covers may be '57 Oldsmobile and could be sold on ebay, as you would not want them on a Studebaker since the correct ones are way nicer.

StudeRich

dean pearson
11-03-2009, 11:13 PM
Nice car, someone got lucky!
Looks like a ton "o" fun.

Dean.

rockne10
11-03-2009, 11:14 PM
Trunk lock turns clockwise. If it won't open he'll need to remove back seat, crawl through and unscrew the latch-BTDT.
Looks to be early production 4H-C3![:0] SWEET FIND!
Covers I see could be hiding original upholstery.

Will wait to exhale.:)

wolfie
11-03-2009, 11:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

Trunk lock turns clockwise. If it won't open he'll need to remove back seat, crawl through and unscrew the latch-BTDT.
Looks to be early production 4H-C3![:0] SWEET FIND!
Covers I see could be hiding original upholstery.

Will wait to exhale.:)




Thanks, Would a C-3 be a standard or a deluxe? Also how about the actual lock tumblers? I just remember mine being a bear to get open then finding I was doing something backwards. Thanks,Steve

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Chris_Dresbach
11-03-2009, 11:33 PM
I could be wrong, but I dont think the plad in the back seat was a factory option. Again, I could be wrong, but I have never seen one.[?]

Chris Dresbach

wolfie
11-03-2009, 11:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by dean pearson

Nice car, someone got lucky!
Looks like a ton "o" fun.

Dean.




I agree. If this car is as solid underneath as I expect it to be from the history he gave its a jewel. Steve

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studeclunker
11-03-2009, 11:38 PM
The seats and hubcaps are both wrong. However... the top of the back seats seem to match the doorpanels.. so...

What you have there is a rather rare Tri-Star '53. They were the early run and the ornaments (on hood nose and trunk lid) were discontinued because Mercedes objected. Cool Car.

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wolfie
11-03-2009, 11:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

I could be wrong, but I dont think the plad in the back seat was a factory option. Again, I could be wrong, but I have never seen one.[?]

Chris Dresbach




Mine had a similar plaid pattern cover over the original on the bottom half of the seats that was blue. I am sure they were installed by a local Stude guy in the 70's when Dad originally owned the car. It might have been from a later model but it was definately custom fitted for the stude seats. I also dont remember how they attached but remember it being a very simple assembly. Steve

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wolfie
11-03-2009, 11:49 PM
Anyone see anything else besides the obvious cosmetics (chrome is pitted but looks rechromable) to nit pick? How expensive are these automatics have refreshed after a long nap? Thanks,Steve

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53k
11-04-2009, 07:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

The rear seat has a seat cover over it, and may be original under it.
The front is reupholstered in a plain Vinyl instead of the pleated inserts it had.
These seats were kind of a 60/40 with the drivers' side being smaller to allow easier entry to the back seat on the right (curb) side.
The wheel covers may be '57 Oldsmobile and could be sold on ebay, as you would not want them on a Studebaker since the correct ones are way nicer.

I have a Studebaker Dealers' Accessory Seat Covers book which shows a number of different plaids. From the aging apparent on the cover I agree that the rear seat may very well be original. The cloth seat material has been impossible to find for many years so it will be interesting to see what the condition is if they are original.



Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia. '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Daytona convertible, '53 Commander Starliner, Museum R-4 engine, '62 Gravely Model L, '72 Gravely Model 430

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rockne10
11-04-2009, 07:46 AM
If the DG200 transmission was in good shape when it was parked it will still be in good shape. Service trans per owners manual instructions. Give it some exercise before deciding it needs seals.;)

tbredehoft
11-04-2009, 07:51 AM
How expensive are these automatics have refreshed after a long nap?
Rockne's right.

I found a local shop that would 'refresh' my DG250M in my '55, they wanted $1,300. The car was previously licensed in 78, in 2008 I put in a new rear seal, cleaned the pan, replaced that seal, replaced the oil, and am driving it weekly. Yeah, it drips a bit, but it's a good transmission.

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'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
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barnlark
11-04-2009, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by 53k
I have a Studebaker Dealers' Accessory Seat Covers book which shows a number of different plaids. From the aging apparent on the cover I agree that the rear seat may very well be original. The cloth seat material has been impossible to find for many years so it will be interesting to see what the condition is if they are original.

I agree. How rare is that? Wow. I think that would be a hit and so unique in a show if you could get a close match from Bill Hirsch to reupholster the front seat. Very cool. I love those original plaid combos.

Dick Steinkamp
11-04-2009, 08:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by wolfie




Thanks, Would a C-3 be a standard or a deluxe?


'53 Coupes came in Deluxe (low level) and Regal (higher level) trim. This one is a Deluxe.

Nice car! [:p] Shows they are still out there.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Jeff_H
11-04-2009, 08:40 AM
Notice the brown vinyl cover is over the "hockystick" trim on the side of the front seat. I suspect those front seat covers (at least the backs) are just slipped over the original material. The hockystick moulding is only held on with 3 screws. Since its left in place, I don't think the whole seat was reupholstered. Its easy enough to remove that moulding if you are going to redo the seat.

Be very careful with the trunk hinges as well. I'd lift the lid just enough to get some lube on the joints before opening fully. The risk is more in closing it again though as dry hinges will bind up causing excessive down force to be applied trying to close the lid. Thats when the lid corners get bent :(

Looks like the ignition switch is a generic replacement?

I recall that rear seat armrests were options on the C1's but I thought they were std on a C3? Don't have my books here. This car does not (and never had, no holes) rear seat arm rests. Car also looks to have the factory carpet ? Again, I thought only in the rear on a C3 with rubber in front. Then again, this car does have some other mods (hubcaps and ??) so no telling.

Looks like a nice solid car with original maui blue paint though!

Jeff in ND
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'53 Champion Hardtop

52-fan
11-04-2009, 09:20 AM
I agree about the rear seat covers. They have probably been on the car since new. My 52 had covers much like that when I bought it in 1971. d When I finally got enough nerve to remove the covers the seats looked like they had never been sat on except for a sweat stain on the driver's seat.Looks like a really nice car.

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clonelark
11-04-2009, 09:27 AM
looks like 54xxx on speedo, great find

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wolfie
11-04-2009, 11:01 AM
Thanks guys, I spoke with him last night and we are pretty sure the milage is correct. I think the carpet there now is just thrown in over the original rubber mat. The mat seems to be comparable with the rest of the interior. I thought it was a deluxe (less chrome than my regal) but also thought there was a 3rd option,maybe one that did not have the windshield trim. I may be wrong,havent checked the book yet. I still think its a jewel. Steve

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studegary
11-04-2009, 01:16 PM
Nice find in a 1953 Commander Starlight.
I agree with most of the above posts. The rear seats are covers that may be factory authorized accessory covers. The tri-star does not make it an "early run". They were used on most South Bend cars and all Vernon cars. Be sure to change the transmission fluid in both the torque converter and the main transmission case (separate drains).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer