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simplijm
11-03-2009, 08:48 AM
Anyone keeping a registry of the vehicles from the bulletnose era ('50 and '51)? I'd like to see if there is any data for my '50 Commander Land Cruiser and trace the history of it.
Thanks!

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

JDP
11-03-2009, 08:58 AM
With the record numbers built and surviving, I don't think such a list is likely, and certainly not with much history.

JDP/Maryland

MyStude_Baker
11-04-2009, 01:29 AM
I wondered the same thing. I'd love a Bullet nose directory. The Bullet not only has history but its a legend. There are ways we can start one ourselves, just need to get a point of contact person and let the list begin. It would be interesting to see how many Bullets there are on the road and how many need to be put back in circulation. Good luck with your search.

1951 Commander Land cruiser

Chris Pile
11-04-2009, 08:18 AM
Then there is the question of all those street rodded '47, '48, and '49 Studebakers with '50 and '51 front sheetmetal...
What to do with those?

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
http://midwaystudebakers.tripod.com/

simplijm
11-04-2009, 09:20 AM
MyStude_Baker, I'll be point man but it will take me a little while to get something put together.

Chris, I guess we would have to track if it was a rodded bulletnose or original, not only exterior but engine, tranny, rear-end.

I haven't done anything like this before, so I guess we would require the serial number/VIN, the engine number, the model number from the plate on the firewall, color, and any known history, current owner, location or address, condition (runs, show car, barn car, pile of rust, etc.), any restorations done. What else should we know?

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

tbredehoft
11-04-2009, 10:10 AM
Be sure you include all the body tag information. It is really more usable than the serial No.

Tom

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
....On the road, again....
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

Lothar
11-04-2009, 10:48 AM
Simplijim
There are registries for other models of Studebaker. Hopefully, one of those registry keepers will be willing to share the format with you.
As a fellow Bulletnose owner, I commend you for your willingness to take on creation and maintenance of a registry. Maybe we should consider a 1947-52 registry, to enable inclusion of remodeled rods. These years share a lot of sheetmetal and other parts, so we would all benefit from collaborating. JDP is correct though, it could be a pretty substantial number of cars. Even if only 1% of the origninal production survive, it could amount to more than 10,000 cars (?) for 1947-52.

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

50Champ
11-04-2009, 10:59 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

With the record numbers built and surviving, I don't think such a list is likely, and certainly not with much history.

JDP/Maryland



Another negative comment from JDP....:(

I think it's a great idea. Let me know if I can help in any way....:)

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1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan

Roscomacaw
11-04-2009, 12:02 PM
simplijim, have you gotten the production order for YOUR car from the Studebaker Museum? You send them your car's serial# and a cash fee and they send you the production order for your exact car. It'll show when it was ordered and when it was built as well as how it was equipped when it left the factory. There's even a fair chance it would show where it was shipped to - especially if it had been ordered by a dealer/customer.
Then for reference, get the two issues of Turning Wheels that covered the 50 and 51 cars. Fred Fox provides a wealth of info as to how many of each model and body style were built as well as insights into design and other facets regarding these iconic models.
These TW issues are the Oct. '85 edition and the Dec. '85 edition. Someone here might have these or you might score them on ebay.[^]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

JDP
11-04-2009, 12:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by 50Champ


quote:Originally posted by JDP

With the record numbers built and surviving, I don't think such a list is likely, and certainly not with much history.

JDP/Maryland



Another negative comment from JDP....:(

I think it's a great idea. Let me know if I can help in any way....:)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1188/4526177/20234971/329233113.jpg

1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan




It may be perceived as negative, but I intended it to be realistic. A registry for a few 100 Speedsters or Packard Hawks is not a easy task, for the most common post war model, it'll be nearly impossible. You could do business coupes, or convertibles, but all bullet noses will be difficult at best.
If you registered 10% of those surviving, I'd be shocked. Not saying someone can't try, but only a few registries have been partially successful and those were all rare models.

JDP/Maryland

1950 Champion RegalDeluxe
11-04-2009, 01:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

simplijim, have you gotten the production order for YOUR car from the Studebaker Museum? You send them your car's serial# and a cash fee and they send you the production order for your exact car. It'll show when it was ordered and when it was built as well as how it was equipped when it left the factory. There's even a fair chance it would show where it was shipped to - especially if it had been ordered by a dealer/customer.
Then for reference, get the two issues of Turning Wheels that covered the 50 and 51 cars. Fred Fox provides a wealth of info as to how many of each model and body style were built as well as insights into design and other facets regarding these iconic models.
These TW issues are the Oct. '85 edition and the Dec. '85 edition. Someone here might have these or you might score them on ebay.[^]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door




Turning Wheels, October 1979 Vol.11 No.10

Has a considerable amount of info and pictures.

simplijm
11-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Wow, lots of replies. That'll teach me to take time away from the forums to work!

Thank you on the TW issues, I'll have to find them. I did a quick search and, based upon that, approx. 1,026,569 vehicles were manufactured just for the '50 and 51' years! So yes, JDP is correct, it is a LARGE undertaking. 10% would be 102,657 vehicles! However, just from looking around, I'm not sure taht there are even that many still in existence that are 100% pure, let alone rodded. I guess time will tell on that matter.

Mr. Biggs, I have ordered my production order, but I'm waiting for delivery. I ordered it first week on October, so I'm hoping it will show up soon. An...ti...ci...pation!!!!!

I have contacted the administrator of the Packard Hawks registry, and he shared what he has setup for that specific (and rare) car. Depending on my workload, I think I'll be able to announce something shortly.

I had somewhat thought that it would be a self-service style setup where the owners would register by themselves and I would admin. Updates would be sent out periodically so that those that have registered could see who/what's been added. Although, I do realize that there are those that will just send their info in and expect someone else (me) to enter it. As long as there aren't too many at a time, it shouldn't be that daunting (cough, cough, wheeeeze!).

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

Roscomacaw
11-04-2009, 02:55 PM
Also, figure it's not gonna go looking for entrants just because you set it up. As vast as the internet is, it can be a lonely place if you don't promote yourself. That's to say, there's alot of bullet-nose owners out there who'll never think to see if there's a registry they could take part in.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

simplijm
11-04-2009, 03:37 PM
Yes, definately will have to make some noise on the forums, in the webrings, and in TW.

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

50Champ
11-04-2009, 05:10 PM
I'll be surprised if you get 1/10 of 1% (just over 1000) bullet nose Studes in the registry. Don't worry about the years 1947-49 and '52 like someone suggested. Leave those years for someone who owns one from those years unless you're a glutton for punishment. Another possibility is to just have a registry for the 1950 model year and let someone else handle the '51s with the plastic bullet. If you need an assistant let me know because I have a lot of free time and the only work my car needs is a choke adjustment (which I don't know how to do)....

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1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan

BobGlasscock
11-04-2009, 05:21 PM
I don't get around cars much, and I don't know about what cars are where or who owns them. A lot of guys here do know those things.

Based on only what I know, there are 5 bulletnoses within 30 miles of Lubbock. Mine is the only one that runs. Two are in a junk yard and two are in a shed. One owner has them for parts for sale and the other owner apparently just doesn't care about doing anything with them.

So, only 1 in 5 here would ever appear in a registry. Not a good turnout. Wonder how accurate my numbers are compared to the whole country.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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Steve T
11-04-2009, 06:46 PM
There's also the fact that some owners cherish their privacy, and are automatically chary of making details known...the same circumstance (perhaps to a greater degree) affects type registries that exist for various vintage aircraft.

Still...even if what resulted was just a representative sampling of surviving bulletnose cars, that would still be interesting enough and, I think, worthwhile.

I think the proportion of "registry ready" bullets here in southern Ontario is probably similar to what Bob G notes for the Lubbock TX area. I can think of ten 50-51s in our general region over the past two years (I came fairly close to buying one of them!); about three of those ten are fairly active, the remainder (several of them longterm project cars) being seen scarcely if at all...

S.

Invalid User Name
11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
I say go for it. Even if you only get 1,000 cars registered, it will be a great resource for us who need parts or just want experienced advice.

Doug

Venice, Florida
1950 Champion 9G F1

simplijm
11-05-2009, 02:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by Tom B

Be sure you include all the body tag information. It is really more usable than the serial No.

Tom

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
....On the road, again....
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars



Tom, What do you mean but all the body tag info? My '50 has the serial numbert on the driver's side door column, the engine number, and a plate on the firewall with the model designation and some other numbers.

Just started working on a Bullet-Nose!

BobGlasscock
11-05-2009, 06:47 PM
He means all three of those, AND the "some other numbers" that you state. All of these id's together make a car from info, any one of the three alone doesn't make a whole car.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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