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Scott
01-13-2007, 08:50 PM
I was rummaging through the internet today and found these interesting pictures of the Maserati Mistral (as shown in late 1963). The Maserati was designed by P. Frua, who was also doing serious custom work for a "European style" Lark. Anyway, I thought this was a beautiful car and the more I look at it the more likeness I see to Avantis. Even the interior is uncannily familiar. I wonder if Frua had seen the Avanti design before he did this, or whether there was just something in the air. The exterior looks like a cross between an Avanti and a Corvette, and the interior has Avanti cues all over it. Does anyone know more about the Maserati designs?


http://www.maserati-indy.co.uk/mistral/mistral-16a.jpg
http://www.maserati-indy.co.uk/mistral/mistral-05a.jpg
http://www.maserati-indy.co.uk/mistral/mistral-07a.jpg
http://www.maserati-indy.co.uk/mistral/mistral-09a.jpg

avantilover
01-14-2007, 01:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I was rummaging through the internet today and found these interesting pictures of the Maserati Mistral (as shown in late 1963). The Maserati was designed by P. Frua, who was also doing serious custom work for a "European style" Lark. Anyway, I thought this was a beautiful car and the more I look at it the more likeness I see to Avantis. Even the interior is uncannily familiar. I wonder if Frua had seen the Avanti design before he did this, or whether there was just something in the air. The exterior looks like a cross between an Avanti and a Corvette, and the interior has Avanti cues all over it. Does anyone know more about the Maserati designs?

It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
01-14-2007, 01:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I was rummaging through the internet today and found these interesting pictures of the Maserati Mistral (as shown in late 1963). The Maserati was designed by P. Frua, who was also doing serious custom work for a "European style" Lark. Anyway, I thought this was a beautiful car and the more I look at it the more likeness I see to Avantis. Even the interior is uncannily familiar. I wonder if Frua had seen the Avanti design before he did this, or whether there was just something in the air. The exterior looks like a cross between an Avanti and a Corvette, and the interior has Avanti cues all over it. Does anyone know more about the Maserati designs?

It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

rockne10
01-14-2007, 08:21 PM
We know the Loewy Studio was involved in the design of a number of European models before they were called upon to whip the Avanti together in a short period of time. Someone with the time to research it could probably identify which specific makes and models came from their drawing board.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
01-14-2007, 08:21 PM
We know the Loewy Studio was involved in the design of a number of European models before they were called upon to whip the Avanti together in a short period of time. Someone with the time to research it could probably identify which specific makes and models came from their drawing board.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

JBOYLE
01-14-2007, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia
[/quote]

Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
01-14-2007, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia
[/quote]

Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Scott
01-15-2007, 09:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

We know the Loewy Studio was involved in the design of a number of European models before they were called upon to whip the Avanti together in a short period of time. Someone with the time to research it could probably identify which specific makes and models came from their drawing board.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser


As far as I know, Frua had nothing to do with Loewy's business.

Scott
01-15-2007, 09:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

We know the Loewy Studio was involved in the design of a number of European models before they were called upon to whip the Avanti together in a short period of time. Someone with the time to research it could probably identify which specific makes and models came from their drawing board.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser


As far as I know, Frua had nothing to do with Loewy's business.

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 10:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.


The Jensen Interceptor was made from '66-76. The Mistral from '63-'70.


quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.


IMHO, the Mistral is a beautiful car and it flatters the Avanti to compare it to one. OTOH, I've never been a big fan of the Interceptor styling [xx(]

http://www.british-steel.org/brochure/interceptor/int-ff-67_blue_2_l.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 10:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.


The Jensen Interceptor was made from '66-76. The Mistral from '63-'70.


quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.


IMHO, the Mistral is a beautiful car and it flatters the Avanti to compare it to one. OTOH, I've never been a big fan of the Interceptor styling [xx(]

http://www.british-steel.org/brochure/interceptor/int-ff-67_blue_2_l.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Randy_G
01-15-2007, 10:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.


The Jensen Interceptor was made from '66-76. The Mistral from '63-'70.


quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.


IMHO, the Mistral is a beautiful car and it flatters the Avanti to compare it to one. OTOH, I've never been a big fan of the Interceptor styling [xx(]

http://www.british-steel.org/brochure/interceptor/int-ff-67_blue_2_l.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA


I would lost a bet I had with myself, I would have swore I have seen a jenson or two with 440's in them[?] One more thing I gotta go look up, Thanks Dick[:p]:D

Randy_G
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/small59.jpg

Randy_G
01-15-2007, 10:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
Agreed, but the Jensen Interceptor came along much later.


The Jensen Interceptor was made from '66-76. The Mistral from '63-'70.


quote:Originally posted by avantilover
It also resembles the Jensen Interceptor a British car with a Chrysler Hemi engine and Torqueflite Automatic Transmission.


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.


IMHO, the Mistral is a beautiful car and it flatters the Avanti to compare it to one. OTOH, I've never been a big fan of the Interceptor styling [xx(]

http://www.british-steel.org/brochure/interceptor/int-ff-67_blue_2_l.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA


I would lost a bet I had with myself, I would have swore I have seen a jenson or two with 440's in them[?] One more thing I gotta go look up, Thanks Dick[:p]:D

Randy_G
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/small59.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 10:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

I would lost a bet I had with myself, I would have swore I have seen a jenson or two with 440's in them[?]



It certainly could be. They were rather limited production cars and you could probably get most anything you wanted (for enough $$$ and within reason).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 10:38 AM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

I would lost a bet I had with myself, I would have swore I have seen a jenson or two with 440's in them[?]



It certainly could be. They were rather limited production cars and you could probably get most anything you wanted (for enough $$$ and within reason).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Scott
01-15-2007, 11:53 AM
Here's a good picture of seats in a Mistral. Look familiar? I looked at pictures of Corvettes of the same period and their seats don't look like Avanti seats, so it isn't just that everyone had the same kinds of patterns. The Mistral's seats look a little more comfortable than the regular Avanti seats, but the similarity seems to be more than coincidence. I wonder how much a Mistral sold for new compared to an Avanti?

http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/enthusiast63/mistral-009a.jpg

Scott
01-15-2007, 11:53 AM
Here's a good picture of seats in a Mistral. Look familiar? I looked at pictures of Corvettes of the same period and their seats don't look like Avanti seats, so it isn't just that everyone had the same kinds of patterns. The Mistral's seats look a little more comfortable than the regular Avanti seats, but the similarity seems to be more than coincidence. I wonder how much a Mistral sold for new compared to an Avanti?

http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/enthusiast63/mistral-009a.jpg

JBOYLE
01-15-2007, 02:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.



Dick, they did come with 440s...(Unfortunatly, I just recycled a recent Classic and Sports Car..my favorite car magazine from the U.K....that had a huge article in Jensens.)
Still, I found this on Wikipedia:
"The engine was a Chrysler V-8 initially of 6276 cc (383 c.i.) with optional manual (Mk I, only few built) or TorqueFlite automatic transmissions driving the rear wheels through a Powr-Lok differential in conventional Dana rear axle. The engine grew to 7212 cc (440 c.i.) in late 1971 with 4-bbl carburation. The SP (Six-Pack) model of 1971-73 offered 3x2-bbl carburation, only 232 built and has the distinction of being the most powerful car ever to have been made by Jensen."

As I recall most had 440s. Certainly, most of the ones I saw in the U.K....and the few I've seen in tyhe U.S....did.

I'm just glad I don't have to fill their tanks in the U.K. with $6 a gallon gas.
Still, it's a great luxury European GT. I wouldn't mind having one...especially since I can't swing an Aston Martin and Jensens are relatively cheap. A # 3 car sold at the August Silver Reno auction for about $7,000. It needed paint, but seemed to be a good driver.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
01-15-2007, 02:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


I don't believe the Jensen Interceptor ever had a Hemi. I think they were all equipped with 383's.



Dick, they did come with 440s...(Unfortunatly, I just recycled a recent Classic and Sports Car..my favorite car magazine from the U.K....that had a huge article in Jensens.)
Still, I found this on Wikipedia:
"The engine was a Chrysler V-8 initially of 6276 cc (383 c.i.) with optional manual (Mk I, only few built) or TorqueFlite automatic transmissions driving the rear wheels through a Powr-Lok differential in conventional Dana rear axle. The engine grew to 7212 cc (440 c.i.) in late 1971 with 4-bbl carburation. The SP (Six-Pack) model of 1971-73 offered 3x2-bbl carburation, only 232 built and has the distinction of being the most powerful car ever to have been made by Jensen."

As I recall most had 440s. Certainly, most of the ones I saw in the U.K....and the few I've seen in tyhe U.S....did.

I'm just glad I don't have to fill their tanks in the U.K. with $6 a gallon gas.
Still, it's a great luxury European GT. I wouldn't mind having one...especially since I can't swing an Aston Martin and Jensens are relatively cheap. A # 3 car sold at the August Silver Reno auction for about $7,000. It needed paint, but seemed to be a good driver.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 02:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
[blue]Dick, they did come with 440s


Well, that makes sense. Bigger IS better [^] and I think the 440 is the same block as the 383. Thanks for the correction.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 02:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
[blue]Dick, they did come with 440s


Well, that makes sense. Bigger IS better [^] and I think the 440 is the same block as the 383. Thanks for the correction.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/354114035_77d8c46a5f_m.jpg
Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

avantilover
01-15-2007, 02:54 PM
You're probably right about the engine Dick, I knew it had a Chrysler V8.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
01-15-2007, 02:54 PM
You're probably right about the engine Dick, I knew it had a Chrysler V8.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia