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Dick Steinkamp
09-10-2009, 07:49 PM
This was a common swap back in the day...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1359083784.html

http://images.craigslist.org/3kf3mb3p65O45Q75P3994f8cd1129202317d0.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3m53o13l85O65Qa5R6994b79d8fe7c96619e5.jpg

Which trany did the Willys use? Was the pilot shaft the same as Studebaker?

Why do I want to do this one? [:0]





Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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silverhawk
09-10-2009, 07:54 PM
You want it because its cool!

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

studeclunker
09-10-2009, 08:22 PM
Well... to paraphrase one of my favourite cartoon characters, 'Wow! Hav'in that thar Willys'd be more fun than a tornader in a trailer park!'

Looks like non-stock though very usable seats. Over all the condition looks good. The[u]price excellent</u>!:D

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mbstude
09-10-2009, 08:25 PM
I've always wanted a Willys wagon. This doesn't help.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

lark55
09-10-2009, 09:58 PM
My first vehicle was a 48 2wd wagon in high school. My dad had a 232 3spd o.d.swapped into it and he gave it to me when I started driving. I pulled the 232 and dropped in a 259 4 bbl. It had a 53 ford rearend with 4:10 gears. That thing would run pretty good.The brakes were a litle scary and it understeered pretty bad but I sure had a lot of fun with it.

Transtar60
09-10-2009, 10:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

This was a common swap back in the day...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1359083784.html

http://images.craigslist.org/3kf3mb3p65O45Q75P3994f8cd1129202317d0.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3m53o13l85O65Qa5R6994b79d8fe7c96619e5.jpg

Which trany did the Willys use? Was the pilot shaft the same as Studebaker?

Why do I want to do this one? [:0]





Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/63%20Daytona%20done/PP026-1.jpg


It requires an adapter, the wagon/truck used a T90 with a long input shaft. I have one with a car bell housing somewhere in a barn.

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Dick Steinkamp
09-10-2009, 10:33 PM
Thanks, Charlie. Will that T90 hold Stude V8 power OK?



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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JRoberts
09-10-2009, 10:37 PM
I have always wanted to do this. I think this would be a fun conversion.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
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Chucks Stude
09-11-2009, 10:10 AM
When I was a kid living in Midland, Texas, that was the family car. That is the only time I remember being hot,riding in that thing. It was like an oven, even rolling down the road. Of course the fact that there were 5 of us kids riding in the back seat did not help. Went to the air show in Big Springs in 1954, and the engine gave out on the way back. Good times.

gordr
09-11-2009, 10:17 AM
Dick, I am sure that a T90 would handle a Stude V8 for any kind of normal driving. They used T90s in Studebaker pickups with V8 power, IIRC. IN any case, the T90 gears are the same size as T86 gears, and they certainly used T86 with V8 power.

I may have the bellhousing you need to accomplish the swap.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

HarryStude
09-11-2009, 11:54 AM
The only problem with a T-90 in the Willys was that it had an issue with the syncro in second gear. When driving it would just pop out. I had an old Jeep with a Ford 289 and the T-90 adapted to it and had no problem with it holding together, just the syncro started to go out. I also had a Willys pickup I built with a Chevy 305 and the T-90 that the trans held up well in.

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Roscomacaw
09-11-2009, 12:13 PM
Many years ago I had a really nice 2WD example of one of these. Seems as tho I recall it having some sort of transplant engine in it that didn't run. Before I ever got around to doing something with it, one of the guys I worked with talked me out of it.
I like the looks of these. And it's also intriguing that my mom worked in the Willys factory during WWII.[^]

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Lark Hunter
09-11-2009, 01:44 PM
Hmm... Looks to be a lotta work, but a lotta fun to be had when finished. I usually shy away from anything that is not stock, but I like this one for some (not so) odd reason. So, feel free to give me the "Willys" (Sorry. That was really stupid, but I couldn't resist). LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

Dick Steinkamp
09-11-2009, 02:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Dick, I am sure that a T90 would handle a Stude V8 for any kind of normal driving. They used T90s in Studebaker pickups with V8 power, IIRC. IN any case, the T90 gears are the same size as T86 gears, and they certainly used T86 with V8 power.

I may have the bellhousing you need to accomplish the swap.



Thanks, Gord.

The swap is supposedly already done and the Willys runs and drives...so it must have the proper bell and adapter. We'll see.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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tbredehoft
09-11-2009, 03:08 PM
This would be a sterling opportunity to 'over-restore.' The finish on these was nothing great to start with. That plywood door panel is already an improvement.

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studelark
09-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Go for it, Dick!!! Just a comment on the name of Willys. Some folks insist on saying 'Willies', when the correct pronunciation is 'Willis'. Either way, a Studebaker V8 should make it a goer. [8D]:D

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
60S-W6
1948 M16-52 Boyer fire truck

Dick Steinkamp
09-11-2009, 05:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark
Go for it, Dick!!!


That's all I need...more encouragement. :(


;)

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Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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candbstudebakers
09-12-2009, 05:35 AM
What years did Brooks Stevens design? was it just the later years or was it the early ones? i know he had something to do with them he was one great person meet him twice.

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Dick Steinkamp
09-12-2009, 06:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

What years did Brooks Stevens design?


He did the Wagoneer...1963-1990

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Jeep_Grand_Wagoneer_001.JPG/800px-Jeep_Grand_Wagoneer_001.JPG


BTW, my emails and phone calls on the Stude powered Willys wagon go unanswered. I guess it is already sold. :(



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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studelark
09-12-2009, 07:12 PM
quote:
BTW, my emails and phone calls on the Stude powered Willys wagon go unanswered. I guess it is already sold. :(

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA



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Louisa, VA

Dick Steinkamp
09-12-2009, 07:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelark


Awwwwwwwwwwwwww, shuckin's!!!




Yea, but....there are plenty more out there! :D [^]

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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jjones
09-12-2009, 07:55 PM
Food for thought--in the early 1960s there was a Willys panel wagon in the Phoenix area with a built Hudson Twin-H 6-banger in it. It certainly surprised a bunch of tri-five Chevys and came toooo close to beating my Buick powered Model A. Different and fast.

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Doug M
09-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Dick I knew someone in the 70's that had one that was a Woody the panels on the outside were wood I belive it was maple. It also had the wood trim one the inside. He said it came from the factory that way.

Lark Hunter
09-13-2009, 12:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by studelark

Go for it, Dick!!! Just a comment on the name of Willys. Some folks insist on saying 'Willies', when the correct pronunciation is 'Willis'. Either way, a Studebaker V8 should make it a goer. [8D]:D

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
60S-W6
1948 M16-52 Boyer fire truck



Believe it or not, I actually knew that. Problem is, if you pronounce Willys the correct way, most folks think you have a head cold...:) LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

lark55
09-13-2009, 09:00 AM
Uh, actually my middle name is Willis. I am sure glad my mom didn't use the "Willys" pronunciation when I got into trouble.By the way my grandfather's family pronounced his name woolis.

comatus
09-14-2009, 09:01 AM
John North Willys (yeah, WILLIS) was president of the Toledo Club, the prestigious businessmen's social institution in Jeep's home town, for several terms -- longer than any other. I was at the club last night, and noticed that the bronze plaque with his name has been removed from the entry hallway. Have to wonder what's up with that. After hearing from the Jeep House guys how Renault execs plundered that museum in the AMC days, I'm guessing it's been melted down for FIAT blocks.

For what it's worth, we had a member who used to drive a 1929 St. Regis Brougham to that club pretty regularly in the early 90's, creating quite a stir.

53hardtop
09-14-2009, 03:11 PM
quote:
Yea, but....there are plenty more out there! :D [^]




Yes there are... like this one....
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/cto/1372382240.html

It's about 2 hours from me. I also heard about someone headed to MN with parts. Is their trailer empty on the way back West?:)

Rob in ND
'53 Commander resto-mod (work in process)
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Dick Steinkamp
09-14-2009, 05:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by 53hardtop


quote:
Yea, but....there are plenty more out there! :D [^]




Yes there are... like this one....
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/cto/1372382240.html

It's about 2 hours from me. I also heard about someone headed to MN with parts. Is their trailer empty on the way back West?:)



WOW! Almost a give-away. [^]



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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55coupe
09-14-2009, 06:15 PM
I don't know what happen to it. About 2-3 mos ago there was a pickup of that style with a 259 init in Auburn Ca. A driver I think they were asking 3000 or so.

stuvw2mny
09-15-2009, 11:30 AM
My drive to work car and take the family to the mountains car in the late 60s was a Willys Overland wagon with a Stude engine. When I first bought it, it had a 5 cylinder Stude engine in it. That was a 6 cylinder Champion with #6 exhaust valve burned out. With 5.38 axles, the first modification I made was to install a Stude V8 overdrive (using a kit from Rancho) on the back of the transfer case. This was a somewhat common Jeep modification that worked great. This brought the final drive ratio into the 3.5:1 range, so it could be driven at speed on the highway. The next step was a 1958 Hawk V8 (I think it was a 259) with the 58 radiator. The engine adapter was about 1" thick and the stock T90 fit. I think I used the stock Stude V8 clutch. The T90 transmission was just fine. As pointed out this was equivalent to the T86. Once in the back country I pulled the overdrive cable out and went where few men had gone before. The Stude V8 with 4WD 5.38 gears would almost climb a tree.

It could easily be driven at 70mph in overdrive. That shocked more than a few other drivers. I towed a 17' boat or a camp trailer for many a mile. The only problem I had was I could never make it over the 10,000' mountain passes with something in tow without overheating. The extra couple of gallons of water to cool the radiator down about 2/3s of the way to the top was standard equipment. I never had a cooling problem on flat ground, just at lower speeds going up the mountain with something in tow. That overheating and a subsequent experience with a Chev V8 and its radiator convinced me that Stude Hawk radiators were never big enough to do the job.

I later replaced the Stude V8 with a 327 Chevy, making sure to get one that didn't have the high rpm cam. I removed the
Willys radiator frame and installed the Chevy radiator. I now had more power and ended the overheating problems, but now had a problem with the front driveshaft hitting the Chevy starter on the right side of the engine. Again, the Willys stock T90 transmission worked just fine. I finally gave up the car when I discovered VW Sciroccos and didn't need a family camping vehicle.

wcarroll@outrageous.net
09-18-2009, 01:59 AM
Just to keep Dick's dream alive:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1378136090.html
:)



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