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skip
09-10-2009, 08:30 AM
hi in Stude land. i have a chance to get a 1959 259? bearcat engine with automatic trans from a 1959 lark two door wagon. the car itself is completely rusted out. when they moved it the rear end and whole rear floor stayed on the ground. not surprized as car was partially sunken into wetland that would fill with water up to the tail lights in the winter and spring. however the motor is stuck solid and the tranny condition is unknown. i have two Studebakers and know a lot but not everything about them. can anyone tell me if these are of any unique value, or if they are worth saving ?. are they a dime a dozen ?. ( i know, my Studebaker disease says all Stude parts are worth saving). i have a limited amount of room left, as i have about 10,000 parts for all different kinds of cars including, Studes. i hate to see them go to the crusher, but it may happen. anyone in new hampshire, or nearby interested ?.thanks for any info. skip.

57 President, 58 Packard Hawk, 61 MGA

Roscomacaw
09-10-2009, 09:43 AM
Personally, given you say it submreges to the taillights annually, I wouldn't bother with it. LOTS of "bearcat" 259s around. Lot's of trannys too.[^]

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1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

skip
09-10-2009, 11:52 AM
CAR WAS ONLY SUBMERGED AT THE VERY REAR. IT WAS ON QUITE A SLANT. THANKS FOR THE INPUT THOUGH. SKIP

57 President, 58 Packard Hawk, 61 MGA

BobGlasscock
09-10-2009, 12:21 PM
If the engine is stuck and the condition of the transmission is unknown, what are you gaining? Sort of just rhetorical.....

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Mark57
09-10-2009, 12:26 PM
Side issue - I did not think the name "bearcat" was applied to engines after 1958?? [?]

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StudeRich
09-10-2009, 12:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mark57

Side issue - I did not think the name "bearcat" was applied to engines after 1958?? [?]

Right, it actually was only 1955, so if if has the "Bearcat" valve cover decals it may be a 1955 259, you will need to get the Engine Serial number that is STAMPED into the top, left front corner of the BLOCK to I.D. the correct year. [:0]

StudeRich

skip
09-10-2009, 01:20 PM
it does say bearcat on the pass side valve cover and looks like it had one on the drivers also. no oil filter on top. any change in desirability ?. and to bob, your probably right, i would gain little. its just that it could be rebuilt and it seems a shame to see it go.

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buddymander
09-10-2009, 02:45 PM
Then drag it home. Think of all the great exercise you'll be getting.

warrlaw1
09-10-2009, 02:57 PM
The 55 Bearcat was normally the Commander engine as opposed to the Passmaster which was normally the President engine. Same mill, Bearcat had two bbl carb, single exhaust and put out about 165 horses. Passmaster had 4 bbl and dual exhaust and put out about 185 horses, from the factory. The block might be attractive to anyone trying to put a #s matching Speedster together!

skip
09-10-2009, 04:09 PM
bob, just thinking about all that exercise makes me tired. i have until monday to make up my mind. start placing your bets. anybody need a speedster engine ?.

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barnlark
09-10-2009, 04:24 PM
"The block might be attractive to anyone trying to put a #s matching Speedster together!"

I assume you're kidding, right? Two valve covers does not a Bearcat make, nor does it make it a matching numbers situation for just any Speedster. I understand it might be a 1955 engine that would be dated the same year, but not really a true #s matching combo unless it's someone's Speedster's missing original engine. If it's free I'd save it. At worst, it's scrap dinner money. That real engine number may be interesting, as Rich said.

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StudeRich
09-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Right Dave (barnlark) if it is a Bearcat 259, it is only a Commander "V" serial and not a president "P" number anyway, so it could not be used correctly in a Speedster. [:0]

StudeRich

candbstudebakers
09-11-2009, 12:37 AM
If you have nothing better to do for a day and want to work your butt off trying to brake one down then go for it , I have taken down some stuck engines, some so bad I needed to cut the rods just to get a good shot at the piston with a hammer and bar to drive it out, junked out so many early non full flow block I can't count just not worth the time or effort, but to each is own ...Bob

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skip
09-12-2009, 06:35 AM
yeah, you gotta point there. not to mention this is new hampshire and it gets pretty humid and wet, more so in the woods near streams. engine is probably welded inside as is the transmission. think im going to pass considering its not free. well, thanks for all the help everbody. skip.

57 President, 58 Packard Hawk, 61 MGA

Zachary's Ride
05-18-2014, 06:43 PM
I recently acquired a 59 flathead 6 3 sp pickup. Will a 55 Commander engine swap and can I swap an overdrive transmission onto that V8? It just occured to me that this may be a hijack, sorry, wil do better next post.



yeah, you gotta point there. not to mention this is new hampshire and it gets pretty humid and wet, more so in the woods near streams. engine is probably welded inside as is the transmission. think im going to pass considering its not free. well, thanks for all the help everbody. skip.

57 President, 58 Packard Hawk, 61 MGA

ddub
05-18-2014, 11:43 PM
I'm not sure you can hijack a 5 year old thread.

Zachary's Ride
05-19-2014, 12:07 AM
I'm not sure you can hijack a 5 year old thread.

1) can I swap a '55 Commander V8 into my '59 Stude pickup and 2) can I put a '52 three speed OD tyranny behind that V8?

StudeRich
05-19-2014, 01:51 AM
Welcome to the SDC and to the SDC Forum.
Yes you could install a Commander V8, but you would need the TRUCK Bellhousing, V8 transmission, Truck Engine Mount Brackets, Truck Water Manifold etc. from a '55 to '64 V8 Truck to do the swap.

No your T-90 6 Cyl. Borg Warner Trans. will not work with a V8 without replacing the Input Shaft and mating gears.

By the way, when logged on there is a button at the Top Left marked "Start a New Thread" or similar that you can use, also a Link at the bottom of these posts to Revise or Delete your posts.

rkapteyn
05-19-2014, 03:03 AM
On the Studebaker V8 engines a "V" at the start of an engine number it is a 259.
If it has a "P" it is a 289.
If that is indeed a 1955 it may be a Detroit Gear trans , which is worth saving.
Oval nameplate with DG250 on it.

Robert Kapteyn

Hallabutt
05-21-2014, 01:13 AM
Bob,

The only year about the "V"/"P" analogy does not work is 1955 because the 289 still a year away from it's inception. In 1955 "P" was for the 259 used in the President built in SB and "PL" was used on the Vernon produced cars. The early Commanders used the "V" designation for the early 224 but was later used on the the Commander 259 when it mostly replace the 224 in later production cars.


I agree that the DG250 may be worth saving. As an aside the 1955 V8 engine blocks were considered by many or the old racing community to be the best to castings for a large overbore as the quality of material and the lack of core shift made for more consistent and precise machining.