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Rich
09-08-2009, 02:20 PM
I wonder why a rare car with such low miles can even bring $15K!

Sad....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250491802381&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

Sdude
09-08-2009, 02:23 PM
I think JJ Cafaro was the first to pose that question.

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Andy R.
09-08-2009, 02:44 PM
I've never been fond of the 4-door Avanti body style...until I saw the photos of that interior. Swank![:p]

My problem is that I was comparing it to the 2-door, when I should have been comparing it to other contemporary luxury brands. In that context, this car is positively gorgeous. Color me CORRECTED![:I]

Andy
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Rich
09-08-2009, 02:51 PM
Andy

My first encounter with a 4-door was "Geesh, that's butt ugly!". Then I saw Jim Baize's with better looking wheels and pin striping, IMHO it transformed the car into something quite good looking. I bought Jim's car and have had it for several years. I've been overwhelmed by the positive responses to the car. After reworking just about everything on the car, it's very much fun to drive.

I just thought there would be a small group that would pay $15K for this car. Guess I am wrong.

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Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

jclary
09-08-2009, 03:00 PM
One of the problems I see here is the listing. There is not one reference to the car's Studebaker heritage. Unless you are looking in the category "other makes" or "Avanti" specifically...you will not encounter this car on eBay. I think that if I were to attempt to sell any Avanti on eBay...I would want all Studebaker enthusiasts to see it. By failing to link it to the Studebaker audience, the seller is probably missing the bulk of potential buyers.

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JBOYLE
09-08-2009, 03:41 PM
IMHO...the main problem with the four door are the huge, [u]thick</u> body color window frames.
Makes it look like a kit car. Or an unpainted model car.:D
If I had one, I'd try to trim them with some stainless to make it look a bit more normal.

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1914 Stutz Bearcat
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bams50
09-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Yet another example of a fatal listing flaw: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER have a high opening bid!

I cannot believe how many people have no idea what an auction is. Had this seller started with a low opening bid, he would have been able to see what the market says it's worth. Instead, he just wasted his time and money on the listing.

Maybe somebody will clue him in and he'll relist it correctly, and in the right location; I'd be curious to see what it IS worth.

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JBOYLE
09-08-2009, 03:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
I'd be curious to see what it IS worth.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131


In the Avanti magazine, people are always [u]asking</u> about 30K for them...

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
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bubbastude
09-08-2009, 04:13 PM
Nice car, but you guys missed the obvious he mis speled Avanti!!!!!:)

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JGK 940
09-08-2009, 07:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

[blue][font=Arial]IMHO...the main problem with the four door are the huge, [u]thick</u> body color window frames.

BINGO. Done properly, with frameless door glass and a '60s-Continental-style chrome B pillar, this could have been a stunner. As it is, I keep looking around for Gumby and Pokey whenever I see one.[xx(]

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Dick Steinkamp
09-08-2009, 07:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by JGK 940
As it is, I keep looking around for Gumby and Pokey whenever I see one.


:D



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bige
09-08-2009, 07:44 PM
I've always wondered how the car would look if they applied the same flat black vinyl that modern sedans use to mask the "b" pillars. It would give the illusion of pillarless glass and in my opinion clean up the profile considerably.

Blacked out mirrors would help also.

Like this....


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/P6050020SolidRockShows.jpg



ErnieR

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dean pearson
09-08-2009, 07:47 PM
Shows what a beginner I am, I didn't even know they made a four door.
BUT... I kinda like it.
As far as any ad goes you must remember the 5 p rule, Prior Planning Prevents P$ss Poor Performance.
Dean.

bige
09-08-2009, 08:16 PM
or this...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/P6050020SolidRockShows-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/track.jpg
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Thomas63R2
09-08-2009, 09:30 PM
There was a stunning deep red four door Avanti on eBay a couple of years ago - but I was in no position to buy it.

J.J. scored a knock out on the interior, the exterior needs a little help: a bit more flash, different mirrors, larger wheels or reduced wheel openings. The original wheels look hideous, not complimentary at all. I seem to remember the eBay four door of my dreams as having wire wheels that completely transformed the car. Add some stainless trim around the door window opening as JBoyle suggested - then it would look really good.

Thomas

rockne10
09-08-2009, 09:53 PM
One sold locally here and has changed hands many times. Seems to have a lot of electrical problems and no schematic.

dean pearson
09-08-2009, 10:01 PM
The white four door is a really nice car. Does It have a similar interior?
But really 15.094?
What are you gonna do with that?
My son bragged about his DXXge diesel truck turning 10.4 the other day (in 4wheel drive through 1st and 2nd).
After that he proceeded to tell me that engine mods are over 8k. I couldn't believe it.
Not only that but it is his third truk this year.
Dean.

Ps, Just trying to stir things up a bit.

Rich
09-08-2009, 10:44 PM
Ernie - I like the photoshopping you did on my 4-door! I've wondered the same thing. Think I'll do that - maybe something that can be undone if it doesn't turn out so well. But not sure if black or S/S would look best. Thanks all for the ideas. I'll post pics after I've done something.

I currently have 17" Boyd Coddington wheels on the car. Here's a pic of the new engine:

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/RichardMor/P1010243.jpg

I think the pin striping really accentuates the coke body styling. I've also planned on slightly flaring the top of wheel wells like that on my Allante:

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/RichardMor/Allante.jpg

I talked with Steve, the guy who posted the blue 4-door on Ebay and he's set to repost but incorporate the suggestions given here. If anyone is interested and wants more info on the 4-door, email me. I've gone through this car from top to bottom and can advise of what you'd be faced with if you bought one.

Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

kurtruk
09-08-2009, 11:02 PM
Thinner window frames would have been nice. But I'm sure this was the least expensive way out. But don't add brightwork. Notice there is NONE on the car. That was the look for the time the 4-door was designed. (Notice the Allante has none either.) Would you go back and put the stainless back around the windshield, too[?]:( While you're at it go ahead and add some skinny whitewalls, too. Now you've got a '70s-looking car.[V] I think the mono-chromatic look was right for the time it was designed---and still looks good today.[^]

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bige
09-08-2009, 11:07 PM
The black stuff is like Contac Paper for cars. Probably available through 3M. The stick on stainless stuff is usually die cut for specific applications. Me, I like the black but to each his own.

I think the problem with the auction was not the car but the starting price of 15K. He's better off listing it at a small opening bid with a reserve and no 'buy it now'. It just scares people away right away. A little bidding activity to fish out the reserve, some mental ownership on behalf of a couple of bidders and the car does more than 15K. Starting the auction off at such a high price takes the fun out of it.

ErnieR

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okc63avanti
09-08-2009, 11:29 PM
I never warmed up to the 4 door style, but then again when they went to the molded plastic bumpers they lost me. I do however, like the 2004~2006 Avantis. Its ashame that the new Avanti production is now probably history with Mike Kelly sitting in jail.

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studegary
09-09-2009, 02:05 PM
I was within hours of buying a brand new 1990 Avanti.

I have an interest in this Avanti, but would not open the bidding at $15K. Cathy likes the four door better than I do. I do like the interior in them.

I think that those aftermarket wheels/tires that stick out of the rear fender wells really ruin the looks of a four door sedan. At least he states that the original wheels come with the car.

This Avanti is NOT an "Avanti II".

I was glad to see that it is on the East Coast.

I thought that there were 97 serial numbers alloted with 90 cars finished. I know that there were many unfinished bodies transported from Georgia to Mexico, but I don't know their status now.

If this Avanti is relisted, or is for sale at a reasonable price, would someone notify me as I do not follow these eBay listings anymore.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Gunslinger
09-09-2009, 03:14 PM
The car is back on Ebay...this time with a $19.90 starting bid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-AVANT-II-1990-Avanti-II-4-door_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3a52baf8f6QQitemZ25049 6088310QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks#ht_927wt_1167]


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studegary
09-09-2009, 03:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gunslinger

The car is back on Ebay...this time with a $19.90 starting bid.



Thank you for posting this information.

I placed a starting bid on the Avanti.

I see that it now has the original wheels with the aftermarket wheels as a separate option if you buy the Avanti.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Rich
09-09-2009, 03:45 PM
Well, I'm impressed. The guy listened to all the suggestions from this forum - I sent them to him. The feature picture in the new auction is with the stock wheels. As you can see, they don't stick out as far as the aftermarket ones, but IMHO they detract from the overall look. See one of my earlier posts in this thread for aftermarket polished aluminum wheels that do not stick out.

With Gary Croletto's help, I have been maintaining a database of 4-door owners. I have information so far on 50 of the cars. #1000 was a prototype with plexiglas windows and no engine (owned by Virgil Marple in Maple Plains, MN). #1092 is owned by Jim Bogan in Ann Arbor, MI. I was told only 90 were completed. Spanning from #1001 to #1092 is 92 cars, so I'd like to confirm Jim Bogan's serial number. I have reason to believe it may be incorrect. I talked with Virgil Marple, who also owns #1090, and he's adamant #1090 was the last 4-door completed (taking personal delivery at Youngstown).

Greg Lowry, Chief Engineer at Avanti in 1989-90, is trying to help me obtain the Materials List and track down a list of purchasers.

Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

53hardtop
09-09-2009, 03:56 PM
I just talked to the lister. I alerted him to the mispelling of Avanti and also let him know that he should list it as a Studebaker (even though it technically is not). The guy was really glad for the tips and said that several Stude enthusiasts had already contacted him. He immediately pulled the listing and was re-doing it again. It should be back soon. Hopefully the third time will be a charm.


Here it is again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250496128504

studegary
09-09-2009, 04:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by 53hardtop

I just talked to the lister. I alerted him to the mispelling of Avanti and also let him know that he should list it as a Studebaker (even though it technically is not). The guy was really glad for the tips and said that several Stude enthusiasts had already contacted him. He immediately pulled the listing and was re-doing it again. It should be back soon. Hopefully the third time will be a charm.


Here it is again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250496128504


Thanks for posting this third listing. I had to bid again.

Too bad that he didn't correct that the car is NOT an "Avanti II", but it is an Avanti.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

53hardtop
09-09-2009, 04:34 PM
I had to throw a bid (or 2) in too, just so it moved a little. I am done now, you can have it. $1000 is way out of my price range. I am guessing it will go to $16,750 and not hit reserve. Any other guesses?

Rich
09-09-2009, 06:33 PM
Just so you know...

There are ten (10) interior lights in the 4-door. Will drain your battery if you leave the door open too long. Go ahead, ask me how I know....:-(

The rear console (the one with the TV) comes out easily with two screws on either side of the transmission tunnel. I've had mine in the garage for two years. Unless a digital LCD TV is installed, the analog one that came in the 4-door is useless nowadays.

Since the 4-door is built on the 1989-90 Caprice Classic, most mechanical parts are readily available, but there are a lot of other GM parts used on the car (Corvette door hinges, Continental door handles, Camaro cable shifter, Bonneville switches, etc.). Interesting mix.

Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

kurtruk
09-09-2009, 08:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary



I thought that there were 97 serial numbers alloted with 90 cars finished. I know that there were many unfinished bodies transported from Georgia to Mexico, but I don't know their status now.


Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer


While in Pennsylvania last year (for the Int'l meet) We spotted a 4dr unfinished body alongside the road, roughly in the Beaver Falls area. Yes, I was [:0]

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bige
09-09-2009, 09:03 PM
That's the most info I've seen written about 4dr mechanicals, ever. Are you archiving for the benefit of other 4 dr owners? Maybe a section on Bob Johnstone's web site?

ErnieR


quote:Originally posted by Rich

Just so you know...

There are ten (10) interior lights in the 4-door. Will drain your battery if you leave the door open too long. Go ahead, ask me how I know....:-(

The rear console (the one with the TV) comes out easily with two screws on either side of the transmission tunnel. I've had mine in the garage for two years. Unless a digital LCD TV is installed, the analog one that came in the 4-door is useless nowadays.

Since the 4-door is built on the 1989-90 Caprice Classic, most mechanical parts are readily available, but there are a lot of other GM parts used on the car (Corvette door hinges, Continental door handles, Camaro cable shifter, Bonneville switches, etc.). Interesting mix.

Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78


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On its way to a 15.097 Island Dragway Great Meadows NJ Spring 2006.