PDA

View Full Version : engine size of my 55 studebaker sedan



zas55
09-06-2009, 06:13 PM
can anyone help me with the size of my engine? it is a V8 Engine but i don't know weather it is a 259 or a 289. how can i find this out for i don't know a whole lot about engines.

Mark57
09-06-2009, 06:18 PM
Could be a 224 as well... Post the serial number.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/engine.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
http://visdc.shawwebspace.ca/ </h5>

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0200a.jpg

41 Frank
09-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Unlikely to be a 289, not yet available in 1955. The 289 came along in 1956.Thats not to say someone couldn't have changed engines.

zas55
09-06-2009, 06:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by zas55

can anyone help me with the size of my engine? it is a V8 Engine but i don't know weather it is a 259 or a 289. how can i find this out for i don't know a whole lot about engines.
my engine serial number i believe is p167l2

barnlark
09-06-2009, 07:02 PM
That's probably your original engine..a 259. Listed as from a 1955 President 6H. The 289s started at P22001.

zas55
09-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Thanks Everyone for your Help!

Roscomacaw
09-06-2009, 07:33 PM
Is your sedan a President? If so, in '55 the "P" prefix was for the 259 engines in President series cars. The later 55 Commander series cars had a "V" prefix, but the engine was the same 259 that was used in President series cars. '55 was a goofy year with respect to how Studebaker classified different models and engines.
From '56-on, a "P" would indicate a 289.[}:)]

6H cars were Presidents, but 16G6 was a Champion while 16G8 was a Commander. Very strange, given how classifications had gone before OR after 1955.[B)]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

barnlark
09-06-2009, 07:39 PM
All heck must have broken out in '55...I was born 4 months into '56. Apparently zero genetic laws that year. ;)

zas55
09-06-2009, 07:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Is your sedan a President? If so, in '55 the "P" prefix was for the 259 engines in President series cars. The later 55 Commander series cars had a "V" prefix, but the engine was the same 259 that was used in President series cars. '55 was a goofy year with respect to how Studebaker classified different models and engines.
From '56-on, a "P" would indicate a 289.[}:)]

6H cars were Presidents, but 16G6 was a Champion while 16G8 was a Commander. Very strange, given how classifications had gone before OR after 1955.[B)]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door


yes my car is a 1955 President Sedan

55 prez
09-07-2009, 12:19 PM
If you would order the build sheet from the Museum for your car it would give the engine number and you would know if yours is the original engine. I think cost is still $40

Jim Caldwell
"The view don't change if you ain't the lead dog"

zas55
10-07-2011, 07:08 AM
Its a 289!! Thanks a lot everyone!!

zas55
10-07-2011, 07:10 AM
It is a 289 and actually its all original.


Unlikely to be a 289, not yet available in 1955. The 289 came along in 1956.Thats not to say someone couldn't have changed engines.

Jim B PEI
10-07-2011, 07:29 AM
It is a 289 and actually its all original.

If so, its a engineering prototype or some such <g>. In 55, it couldn't be both original and a 289. Its a 259. As a President 259, a bit higher output than say a 'base and regular' Commander 259
http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/stud50.html

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/V8EngineID.asp
P-101
1955 President 6H

259


P-22,001
1956 President/Pinehurst/Sky Hawk 56H

289

Since its P16712, that is right in the range of a President V8 for 1955, (so not a 224 V8, and not a 289). The above numbers are the starting # for each year. Those capital I are actually a 1 (one)--Its a Studebaker thing.

cheers!

zas55
10-07-2011, 08:03 AM
Jim,

I see I have made a big BIG mistake!! It turns out that it is a 259, like you said. I had my facts mixed up again. All of this time I thought it had a 289 motor. It is all original I do know that though so, it has to be a 259.

Thanks a lot for straitening this up for me.

Zach


If so, its a engineering prototype or some such <g>. In 55, it couldn't be both original and a 289. Its a 259. As a President 259, a bit higher output than say a 'base and regular' Commander 259
http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/stud50.html

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/V8EngineID.asp
P-101
1955 President 6H

259


P-22,001
1956 President/Pinehurst/Sky Hawk 56H

289

Since its P16712, that is right in the range of a President V8 for 1955, (so not a 224 V8, and not a 289). The above numbers are the starting # for each year. Those capital I are actually a 1 (one)--Its a Studebaker thing.

cheers!

warrlaw1
10-07-2011, 10:04 AM
and it should be a 4 bbl with dual exhausts. Your engine was called a "Passmaster".

Antonio 78
11-28-2011, 09:31 AM
Hi,

Please could anyone assist, I have this engine casting number and I can't seem to work out if it is a 259 or 289.

Engine casting number: P57VK30I
Cylinder head raised number: 1557570 with a 3 below it.

I am trying to rebuild the motor in South Africa, I have been told I can use chevy spares but other people tell me i must use ford. it is very hard to get spares down here in south africa.

I was given this engine and was told it came out of a Daytona?

Any information would be most appreciated.

Many thanks

warrlaw1
11-28-2011, 10:09 AM
Don't believe what your friends tell you. If it was a 65 or 66 daytona, it would have been a GM engine. Prior to that it would have been a Stude engine and definitely not a Ford 289. All the parts you will ever need are available through SDC and its vendors. Welcome to the forum and I hope you take the time to join SDC. Well worth the small fee.

gordr
11-28-2011, 10:44 AM
Antonio, welcome to the Forum. Based on the head casting number, you have a Studebaker engine. Might be 259, might be 289. Refer to the picture in the second post of this thread. Your engine should have a stamped number in exactly the same place, even if the water manifold looks different and it lacks an oil filler stack up there. I am guessing, but "VK301" could be an engine number for a '64 model. That would decode as a 259 built in November of '63. Please note that Studebaker used "I" for for the numeral "1" in stamped numbers; not so the raised cast-in numbers.

Ford or Chevy spares, aside from a few trivial parts, cannot be made to fit; your engine is Studebaker through and through. You will have to mail order parts from the USA or Canada, depending primarily upon which country has the most advantageous duty rate for you. Maybe Australia, too? But all the parts you made need are available, and are not much more expensive than quality parts for Brand X cars.

Antonio 78
11-28-2011, 10:16 PM
Thanks very much Warrlaw1 and Gordr,

Gordr, the engine number i have next to the water manifold is P57VK30I, i couldn't find any reference to it with the P57 in the begining. i have been told P means this is 289, VK30I like you say is a 259. all very confusing stuff.

Thanks for your help appreciate it

avantilover
11-28-2011, 11:01 PM
According to the information below Antonio has a 289 V8 built on October 1st 1963



1964 V8 engine numbering

V8 engines in Avantis and trucks built on and after August 20, 1963 and all those in 1964 Hawk/Lark-type models were not serialized as before, but were stamped with an alphanumeric code (e.g., PK329) indicating car/truck model, displacement, and date of manufacture. The1964 Vehicle Model and Displacement Prefixes are as follows:


V followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark-type 259

VC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark-type 259 (Canada)

P followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Hawk/Lark-type 289

PC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Hawk/Lark-type 289 (Canada)

R followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Avanti 289

RC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Avanti 289 (Canada)

RS followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Avanti 289 w/R2 supercharged

RSC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Avanti 289 w/R2 supercharged (Canada)

JT followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Hawk/Lark-type 289 w/R1

JTC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark/Hawk 289 w/R1 (Canada)

JTS followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark/Hawk 289 w/R2 supercharged

JTSC followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark/Hawk 289 w/R2 sprchrgd (Canada)

R3 followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark/Hawk/Avanti 304 w/R3 supercharged

R4 followed by a letter and 3 numbers = Lark/Hawk/Avanti 304 w/R4

3E, 5E, 6E, or 7E followed by a letter and 3 numbers = truck engine with displacement as shown above

The date of manufacture was indicated by the final four characters; a letter representing month, a single digit for the year (3=1963, 4=1964), and two digits for the day. The month is represented by a letter as follows: A=Jan, B=Feb, C=Mar, D=Apr, E=May, F=Jun, G=Jul, H=Aug, J=Sep, K=Oct, M=Nov, N=Dec. Additional digits preceding the date code indicate an export engine.

Dwain G.
11-28-2011, 11:11 PM
Engines built for export can have extra letters/numbers before the engine serial number. Clean that area off really good, use a magnifying glass if you need to, and check that serial number again. Could the 'P5' actually be an 'RH' ?

avantilover
11-28-2011, 11:18 PM
Hi Antonio, I suggest you contact Chris Skinner in Queensland as he's a vendor with excellent service and a good website http://www.studeparts.com.au/. We're closer than the US/Canada so maybe your parts would arrive sooner. In the US Studebaker International are the largest vendor - www.studebaker-intl.com/ and they also have a catalog. Of course many kind folks on the forum sell parts so tell us what you require and I'm sure we'll soon have you motoring in your nice Studebaker.