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candbstudebakers
09-05-2009, 07:07 PM
I always thought that the standard dash was the only dash they put in the standard? the one with the funny so called glove box? that is what mine had before I installed a 65 Daytona dash, there is a 63 Standard on E-bay with either a 63 vanity dash or the later 64 style owner said it is the correct one and he had a standard before with this dash in it any help here? one does not see that many standards to really now, come on Rich, Bob, Dick, or Nels fill me in so I can fill this dude in, thanks..Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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8E45E
09-05-2009, 07:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

I always thought that the standard dash was the only dash they put in the standard? the one with the funny so called glove box? that is what mine had before I installed a 65 Daytona dash, there is a 63 Standard on E-bay with either a 63 vanity dash or the later 64 style owner said it is the correct one and he had a standard before with this dash in it any help here? one does not see that many standards to really now, come on Rich, Bob, Dick, or Nels fill me in so I can fill this dude in, thanks..Bob



As per the later edition 1963 Owner's Guide...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/3890702765_f3dbc451bd_o.jpg

Craig

barnlark
09-05-2009, 07:59 PM
Bob, I'm certainly not one of the experts on your list above, but if I read the body parts book correctly, the vanity tray, board and mirror were available for Y, F, L, J & P models in '63. It was a special order item in '64 for the Standard. If ordered and paid for, it sure looks like it could be stock. As usual, the purchase order will most likely tell the truth.

barnlark
09-05-2009, 08:01 PM
Wow, the only difference for the Standard is the lock, Craig? Interesting.

8E45E
09-05-2009, 08:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Wow, the only difference for the Standard is the lock, Craig? Interesting.


Way different!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3891523160_50a5a833ca_b.jpg

Craig

barnlark
09-05-2009, 08:27 PM
That looks plain Jane standard, alright. I've never seen that Standard version. The parts books just shows the exploded inside differences. Does that later edition guide show them side by side in pictures, or just explain the lack of a lock?

8E45E
09-05-2009, 08:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
Does that later edition guide show them side by side in pictures, or just explain the lack of a lock?


Just what you see; a short paragraph which was expanded from the earlier edition to include the Standard series. No illustrations in this one, or in the earlier edition.

Craig

barnlark
09-05-2009, 08:34 PM
If this is the one Bob is talking about, it looks more like a '64, or an upper trim replacement dash with a parts change. I wish I knew more about the many later model differences for the trim levels. Always a test. [8D]

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nels
09-05-2009, 08:36 PM
Bob, I'm fairly certain all Standards had the flip up glove box. I didn't see it yet on ebay but it was probably changed out.

8E45E
09-05-2009, 08:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

If this is the one Bob is talking about, it looks more like a '64, or an upper trim replacement dash with a parts change. I wish I knew more about the many later model differences for the trim levels. Always a test. [8D]


It definitely has a '64 dash installed in it.

Craig

nels
09-05-2009, 08:38 PM
Bob. That is a 64 dash in the car,

Dwain G.
09-05-2009, 08:54 PM
The City of Seattle had a large fleet of 1963 Standards. All of them I've seen are missing the chrome bezel around the center blank-off (where a clock would go). They also have a small round chrome knob at top center of the vertical part of the glove box. Always a curiosity since that part doesn't move!

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff195/DwainG/MrEd.jpg
HEY, you're not Wilbur!

8E45E
09-05-2009, 09:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.
They also have a small round chrome knob at top center of the vertical part of the glove box. Always a curiosity since that part doesn't move!


Dwain,

I remember 'Old Blue' having that kitchen cupboard knob on the dash when I saw it in Seattle in '82. I wonder if someone who is still alive that was employed with the Seattle Public Works could explain why they installed those knobs.

Craig

showbizkid
09-05-2009, 11:46 PM
Craig, I was going to remark on the chrome bezel on your center blanking plate as well. Mine also has the bezel-free version, and in fact the parts book shows two different blank-off plates, with different part numbers, for '63 Larks - one for "2" trim cars, and the other for all other trim levels!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

candbstudebakers
09-06-2009, 12:01 AM
Sorry I don't know how to just bring up the e-bay link so will just give you the auction number 3900089085399, fellow selling it says he had one also and it was original , but that style didn't come out till 64 some thing is wrong. but you can't blame some one for not wanting the 63 standard dash.

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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StudeRich
09-06-2009, 02:05 AM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

Sorry I don't know how to just bring up the e-bay link so will just give you the auction number 3900089085399,

The item has been removed! I am pretty sure the whole thing is bogus! :(

StudeRich

8E45E
09-06-2009, 07:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

Craig, I was going to remark on the chrome bezel on your center blanking plate as well. Mine also has the bezel-free version, and in fact the parts book shows two different blank-off plates, with different part numbers, for '63 Larks - one for "2" trim cars, and the other for all other trim levels!


That picture was taken at an International Meet several years ago. I just wonder if a few of the very first Standards got the chrome-rimmed clock blank as the instrument cluster would have been a different casting. The '64's have those two tits on the backside on either side of the clock blank for the studs to hold it in place on the Challengers; and if the '63 was mounted the same way, there must have been a mid-year change in production to that cluster to include those chome mounting tits. I've never looked for them, to be honest on '63's to see if they were there or not.

There must have been three different clock blanks for 1963, then. Customs and Daytona without clocks had them with glass fronts, and Regals had no glass on them, and the Standard's without the bezel would have made a third different one.

Craig

candbstudebakers
09-06-2009, 08:45 AM
The standard was a mid year addition and that when the dropped the name Lark and just when with standard, cruiser, Daytona, commander, Challenger, so mid year is when they came up with the standard dash, does any one have a 63 standard that he or she is the original owner and it has a different dash?

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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barnlark
09-06-2009, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by candbstudebakers
Sorry I don't know how to just bring up the e-bay link so will just give you the auction number 3900089085399

Originally posted by StudeRich
The item has been removed! I am pretty sure the whole thing is bogus! :(

That's the same item # and car I posted above. It's still active. As I suggested, it's either a completely swapped out dash (yes, judging by the color), or a busy bee with many '63 & '64 parts. Don't think the guy is being honest with you, Bob.

candbstudebakers
09-06-2009, 09:58 AM
Or just doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, some people think that because something was that way when they got the car then that's the way it is, not always true, but isn't it fun picking these cars a part on E-bay...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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barnlark
09-06-2009, 10:34 AM
I think I know what you mean in jest, Bob, but seriously, it sounds like he won't admit it and cites a previous car with the same dash as proof. Sorting out an eBay seller's BS is another thing all together. I think it's another buyer beware service that you've provided here in this case.

There are misinformed and innocent sellers of Studebaker parts and cars on eBay, but pointing out occasional errors here is not the same thing in those cases and a simple email to them can help fix the ad. To me, obvious advertising/listing deception is fair game to help anyone considering buying on eBay or Craigslist who may be unaware of its lack of truth and whom may then read it here.

As brother Bams might point out, why poison potential SDC and Forum members by unmercifully picking apart an honestly advertised car, though? Not trying to be a self-imposed monitor, but there is often a "personal attack" difference in perception among us and careful wording should probably be practiced.

showbizkid
09-06-2009, 12:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
it's either a completely swapped out dash (yes, judging by the color), or a busy bee with many '63 & '64 parts.


Yah. I was also noting the full wheel covers and deluxe horn ring and passenger arm rest, all of which would be atypical for a Standard.

And I love the big sticker on the battery that says "USABLE" :D


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

barnlark
09-06-2009, 12:38 PM
They didn't use '59-'60 wheel covers on those? My last one did. ;);)

StudeRich
09-06-2009, 01:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

Sorry I don't know how to just bring up the e-bay link so will just give you the auction number 3900089085399,

It would probably help if we had the correct number!
ebay Item Number: 390089085399

StudeRich

candbstudebakers
09-06-2009, 04:12 PM
So I added one more zero whats one more among friends, some day you will be old also Rich...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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StudeRich
09-06-2009, 09:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

So I added one more zero whats one more among friends, some day you will be old also Rich...Bob

Hey, I already resemble that remark! [:0] But I know I would screw it up too, so I NEVER type anything that I do not have to! The Control "C" copy function and Control "V" Paste is a wonderful thing! :D

StudeRich

qsanford
10-17-2014, 04:34 PM
My former State of California Standard four door was ordered with a normal style glove box door without the vanity and with no front moulding.

8E45E
10-17-2014, 05:20 PM
My former State of California Standard four door was ordered with a normal style glove box door without the vanity and with no front moulding.

Then it must be a '64 Fleet model to be 'normal style' without the aluminum trim on it.

Craig

qsanford
10-17-2014, 09:12 PM
No, it's the regular 1963 door that extends right through the top of the dash. It just doesn't have the Mirror assembly. The front of the door is plain, no trim to match the area where the radio would be.

StudeRich
10-17-2014, 10:20 PM
In that case I think it would be a F3 Fleet Car not a F2 Studebaker Standard. There is a very fine line between the Two, almost identical.