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vintageblueoval
08-31-2009, 03:59 PM
Hey all,

I'm still on the hunt for a few parts for my 58 Champion. After I swapped in a 259 and FOM, I kinda rigged the throttle linkage but it's not getting it done. I really need a complete throttle linkage from pedal to carb for 259 and a 57-58 steering column for automatic. I need a good V8 radiator and shroud and a dipstick tube for the FOM. The power-train donor car was a 64 Cruiser. I'm also trying to find 'champion' script emblems for the fins and STUDEBAKER block letters for the trunk lid. My car is nice, but far from perfect so the parts certainly dont need to be flawless cosmetically, just decent driver quality stuff. Thanks a bunch for any help with this stuff... I'm really excited to finally get some real miles on this car!



T.J. Fletcher
North Atlanta, Ga
1958 Champion 2-door sedan

Roscomacaw
08-31-2009, 04:12 PM
Studebaker Intl. has the letters for $9 bucks each. I might have a pair of Champion scripts.

BTW, SASCO has the teardrop taillight bezels as well as the "cuffs" that go between the back bumper and the body corners. Nothing like NOS chrome to dazzle the eyes![8D] And too, '58 Commander or President taillight lenses (which have some brightwork on them as opposed to the plain Champion lenses) would dress it up a bit more! [:p]

Edit: I looked, and I do have a pair of used and unpitted Champion scripts. Of course, you COULD turn your car into a "Phantom" Commander by using Commander name scripts. Either script uas the same attachment hole layout (as does "President" for that year). I say phantom, because no Commander 2dr sedan models were offered in '58. There WERE some 58B-F1 sedans built for export but these would've looked nothing like the standard Commanders that were in showrooms. They were considered Commanders only in that they had 259cu.in. engines.

Looking at SASCO's site, they show the Champion or Commander scripts available for $25 each. Part #s 1314301W and 1314302W respectively.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

StudeRich
08-31-2009, 05:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by vintageblueoval

I need a good V8 radiator and shroud and a dipstick tube for the FOM.

A '58 Commander would not have had a fan shroud, only special orders with Air Cond. MAY have had one.

The underhood mounted dipstick needs to be ordered for a '64 Cruiser Auto Trans. they are around. The radiator can be found used to have re-cored if needed from local SDC members, after you join the International SDC and local Chapter and contact members, if you have not yet.

SASCO has hundreds of the Throttle bellcranks, but you will need the Studebaker part numbers from the Chassis Parts Catalog to make it a very quick call, as they are closing forever, and swamped with 2 weeks back orders, and will not have time to help you sort it out.

StudeRich

Roscomacaw
08-31-2009, 05:17 PM
That bellcrank part # is 1539900 $36 bucks from SASCO at 800-722-4295

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

vintageblueoval
08-31-2009, 06:23 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Is the bellcrank the swiveling arm that bolts to the left rear of the engine block? If so, I have that part from the donor 64. Is it a different part for 58? If not, I'll need the linkages from the bellcrank to the pedal and the linkage from the bellcrank to the carb.

If the bellcrank is the same between 58 and 64, I'll need 58 specific pieces for the rest of the linkage setup. The 64 stuff wouldn't work, I tried :) The 64 bellcrank is still bolted to the backside of the engine and is working with my Mickey Mouse linkage setup. Maybe I need a 58 specific bellcrank too?

Anybody have that stuff laying around?

As far as a shroud goes, I figured one wasn't available as stock. My car is just running pretty warm here in the GA summer. I'm using the 6 cyl radiator, but I don't drive the car too far with the wonky linkage and the small radiator. I was just exploring the options for better cooling once I get the proper V8 radiator. Will a shroud from a different model fit my sedan?

Thanks again for all the help!

T.J. Fletcher
North Atlanta, Ga
1958 Champion 2-door sedan

Roscomacaw
08-31-2009, 06:35 PM
Other than the outlets being a bit different, both the Champions and standard V8 radiator would have been the same size and core capacity. The 3-row core would've been basically a heavy duty on a Commander.

As to the linkage, exactly which pieces didn't work. They all fit like the one you've got unless it were a truck application.

Edit: While I said they all fit like what you've got, there are differences as to the configurations on the ends of the bellcrank shaft. Frankly - even tho I've probably got a dozen or more bellcranks layin' about, there's no way I could just glance at one and tell exactly what it's particular application was.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

vintageblueoval
08-31-2009, 06:50 PM
Thats interesting about the radiator. I just assumed the 185 would have had a lesser capacity radiator. The outlets on the 6 cyl piece are definitely a smaller diameter, but I've made it work okay without leaking.

On the linkage, the 64 donor car was missing the piece from the pedal to the bellcrank. My original 58 pedal linkage for the 185 is about 6 inches too short to connect to the bellcrank. I've extended it to fit. On the top end, the 64 donor had a cobbled linkage between the carb and bellcrank. I re-cobbled it and now basically, it sucks less than before :) So those linkages should be the same through the years, probably 56-64 non-trucks with a 259?

Oh, and Mr. Biggs, if you're interested in letting go of those Champion scripts, I'd love to buy them from you. I'm gonna keep the Champion name going, apparently the 58 2-door is pretty rare these days and I've already upset the purity gods with that 259 swap :)

Any idea where I could get a template as to how to locate the fin script and trunk lettering? All my holes are filled.

T.J. Fletcher
North Atlanta, Ga
1958 Champion 2-door sedan

Roscomacaw
08-31-2009, 06:54 PM
OK, the pedal rod you need is 534801 SASCO has them for $10 bucks. And they're different from later types.

What carb are you using?

Yes, I'd part with the Champion scripts. Furthermore, I can take some paper and make templates off the pair of 58 Champion rear quarters I have here.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

vintageblueoval
08-31-2009, 07:14 PM
I'm using a 1 barrel Stromberg, the upright style, not the backdraft. I'm pretty sure its the original from the 64 Cruiser. When I rebuilt it a couple months ago, I ordered the kit for a 64 Cruiser.

Thanks for the offer on a template, that'll be great!

T.J. Fletcher
North Atlanta, Ga
1958 Champion 2-door sedan

Roscomacaw
08-31-2009, 09:10 PM
That would be quite a trick - using a one-barrel on a V8. Not that it couldn't be done........ I'll bet it's a Stromberg WW carb. A 2-barrel carb by definition.
You'll want 1539612 (rod) and 1547842 (end) Both available from SASCO.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

vintageblueoval
08-31-2009, 10:05 PM
Mr Biggs, Thanks so much for all the help on those part numbers. I would have never found those on the SASCO website. It's pretty cryptic when 'rod' is the only part description.

Shoot me a PM about the champion script, and thanks so much again for all the help!

Anybody else have an automatic steering column or FOM dipstick tube?

T.J. Fletcher
North Atlanta, Ga
1958 Champion 2-door sedan

barnlark
08-31-2009, 10:24 PM
Does that '64 donor car you used still have the column? That's a good one to have with the steering box. Not sure if it will work on the '58, but it works nicely on my early Lark.

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