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studelover
01-08-2007, 07:06 PM
I have been dealing with studebaker folks(prewar) for a long time. This past sunday I went up to west virginia and puchased a 1961 hawk from a guy and found that it has been in an accident. The damage is so severe that the hood will not close and the trunk hits the bumper. All my restoration friends are telling me to get my money back however the car is complete and I think it is fixable. I belong to the potomac chapter of the sdc this guy is or was a member, before I throw him under the bus I think I should talk to him as I know he knew of the damage,he told me he did not want to restore this car however was looking to buy another unrestored car in the future. When I asked him why he did not want to restore this car he never gave me a streight anwser.If this is the way studebaker people are now I think I'll go back to my fords and chevys.

Studebakers forever!

DEEPNHOCK
01-08-2007, 07:10 PM
You went there, looked over the car, and then bought it?
Did you do a thorough look see?
Have you put it on a frame rack to see if the frame is bent?
I've seen trunk lids hit the bumper because of weak hinge springs.
Something about your post here doesn't sound right....
Did you realize the scope of the project before you wrote the check?
But, the real question is...
Do you still like the Hawk?
If yes, then get going!
If no... Then sell it and move on.
Studebaker people are still people.
They can make mistakes.
They can be honest.
Some not.
Some can play a good hand of poker...
Some buy high and sell low;)
Buyers remorse is one thing, but sour grapes is another.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by studelover

I have been dealing with studebaker folks(prewar) for a long time. This past sunday I went up to west virginia and puchased a 1961 hawk from a guy and found that it has been in an accident. The damage is so severe that the hood will not close and the trunk hits the bumper. All my restoration friends are telling me to get my money back however the car is complete and I think it is fixable. I belong to the potomac chapter of the sdc this guy is or was a member, before I throw him under the bus I think I should talk to him as I know he knew of the damage,he told me he did not want to restore this car however was looking to buy another unrestored car in the future. When I asked him why he did not want to restore this car he never gave me a streight anwser.If this is the way studebaker people are now I think I'll go back to my fords and chevys.

Studebakers forever!


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DEEPNHOCK
01-08-2007, 07:10 PM
You went there, looked over the car, and then bought it?
Did you do a thorough look see?
Have you put it on a frame rack to see if the frame is bent?
I've seen trunk lids hit the bumper because of weak hinge springs.
Something about your post here doesn't sound right....
Did you realize the scope of the project before you wrote the check?
But, the real question is...
Do you still like the Hawk?
If yes, then get going!
If no... Then sell it and move on.
Studebaker people are still people.
They can make mistakes.
They can be honest.
Some not.
Some can play a good hand of poker...
Some buy high and sell low;)
Buyers remorse is one thing, but sour grapes is another.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by studelover

I have been dealing with studebaker folks(prewar) for a long time. This past sunday I went up to west virginia and puchased a 1961 hawk from a guy and found that it has been in an accident. The damage is so severe that the hood will not close and the trunk hits the bumper. All my restoration friends are telling me to get my money back however the car is complete and I think it is fixable. I belong to the potomac chapter of the sdc this guy is or was a member, before I throw him under the bus I think I should talk to him as I know he knew of the damage,he told me he did not want to restore this car however was looking to buy another unrestored car in the future. When I asked him why he did not want to restore this car he never gave me a streight anwser.If this is the way studebaker people are now I think I'll go back to my fords and chevys.

Studebakers forever!


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DEEPNHOCK at Gmail.com
Brooklet, Georgia
'37 Coupe Express (never ending project)
'37 Coupe Express Trailer (project)
'61 Hawk (project)
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

JDP
01-08-2007, 07:17 PM
Depends on a few factors.n Did he tell you the car had been hit and how cheap you bought it. BTW, why did you buy it once you saw it was wrecked ?

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JDP
01-08-2007, 07:17 PM
Depends on a few factors.n Did he tell you the car had been hit and how cheap you bought it. BTW, why did you buy it once you saw it was wrecked ?

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
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64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
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63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

lstude
01-08-2007, 07:30 PM
quote:If this is the way studebaker people are now I think I'll go back to my fords and chevys.

I don't think you can judge all Studebaker people by this guy, and I am sure you can find some Ford and Chevy people who are not as honest as they should be. If it is a 61 Hawk, it is definitely worth saving.


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lstude
01-08-2007, 07:30 PM
quote:If this is the way studebaker people are now I think I'll go back to my fords and chevys.

I don't think you can judge all Studebaker people by this guy, and I am sure you can find some Ford and Chevy people who are not as honest as they should be. If it is a 61 Hawk, it is definitely worth saving.


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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5859
01-08-2007, 07:35 PM
I hate to say it, but if you looked at the car before buying it, you really don't have any ground to stand on, if you bought it sight unseen that's another story. I can't tell you how many times I have bought a used item, cars and other things, thinking I checked them over well only to get them home and find more damage or wear than I thought at first. I have also been pleasantly surprised the opisite way. Unfortunatly Buyer Beware.

5859
01-08-2007, 07:35 PM
I hate to say it, but if you looked at the car before buying it, you really don't have any ground to stand on, if you bought it sight unseen that's another story. I can't tell you how many times I have bought a used item, cars and other things, thinking I checked them over well only to get them home and find more damage or wear than I thought at first. I have also been pleasantly surprised the opisite way. Unfortunatly Buyer Beware.

54-61-62
01-08-2007, 07:44 PM
First off, most Studebaker guys are okay, but unfortuneately once and awhile there will be a bad apple in the barrel of great guys.

As a side note I once bought a 62 lark, a crashed car. Even though it was as described and I inspected it before I bought it, but after digging into it I would never buy another wrecked car; its just not worth it.

Kent

54-61-62
01-08-2007, 07:44 PM
First off, most Studebaker guys are okay, but unfortuneately once and awhile there will be a bad apple in the barrel of great guys.

As a side note I once bought a 62 lark, a crashed car. Even though it was as described and I inspected it before I bought it, but after digging into it I would never buy another wrecked car; its just not worth it.

Kent

studelover
01-09-2007, 07:06 AM
Generalization is something I like to stay away from, it is not fair and it's hurtful however dishonesty is the worst thing you can have in the antique hobby, people are spending money that dear to them in an effort to full fill a dream.I know all about buyer beware and finders keepers loser's weepers and all that nonsense. Grown men and women don't act like that in the real world. If I can't trust you I can't do busness with you bottom line. The pre war guy's would never do that and I mean never, this new vain of people are not worthy to be call Studebaker people. Barret/Jackson has made some real knucleheads out of some poluting this hobby making it smell.

Studebakers forever!

studelover
01-09-2007, 07:06 AM
Generalization is something I like to stay away from, it is not fair and it's hurtful however dishonesty is the worst thing you can have in the antique hobby, people are spending money that dear to them in an effort to full fill a dream.I know all about buyer beware and finders keepers loser's weepers and all that nonsense. Grown men and women don't act like that in the real world. If I can't trust you I can't do busness with you bottom line. The pre war guy's would never do that and I mean never, this new vain of people are not worthy to be call Studebaker people. Barret/Jackson has made some real knucleheads out of some poluting this hobby making it smell.

Studebakers forever!

bigaadams
01-09-2007, 08:27 AM
Rodney..sorry to hear about your bad luck with the Stude..maybe someone here has the actual frame dimension they could e-mail you and let you find out for sure if you have a bad frame or if the body panel are bumping due to serious rot in the corner supports and such. That makes 2 61's for you..were you going to do both or build one good one of the two? All may not be lost yet...

Tim..from the p15-d24 world

bigaadams
01-09-2007, 08:27 AM
Rodney..sorry to hear about your bad luck with the Stude..maybe someone here has the actual frame dimension they could e-mail you and let you find out for sure if you have a bad frame or if the body panel are bumping due to serious rot in the corner supports and such. That makes 2 61's for you..were you going to do both or build one good one of the two? All may not be lost yet...

Tim..from the p15-d24 world

studelover
01-09-2007, 08:23 PM
I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car I bought from West Virginia on sunday, It doesen't have frame damage the hood did not close because the air dam under the car was hit by something and mangiled. The trunk did not close because of a mishap with the bumper probally some years ago as we put a come-along on it and now everything is fine. I called the seller and told him and thanked him for the car, My initial reaction was premature and my generalization was uncalled for, I want to appoligize to the forum for making a blanket remark and It will not happen again. To all the Studebaker folks your reputation is intact and I look forward to being a proud owner when my car is finished thanks!

Studebakers forever!

studelover
01-09-2007, 08:23 PM
I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car I bought from West Virginia on sunday, It doesen't have frame damage the hood did not close because the air dam under the car was hit by something and mangiled. The trunk did not close because of a mishap with the bumper probally some years ago as we put a come-along on it and now everything is fine. I called the seller and told him and thanked him for the car, My initial reaction was premature and my generalization was uncalled for, I want to appoligize to the forum for making a blanket remark and It will not happen again. To all the Studebaker folks your reputation is intact and I look forward to being a proud owner when my car is finished thanks!

Studebakers forever!

lstude
01-09-2007, 08:30 PM
Thanks for posting that. I would like to see photos of the car and it's progress. Welcome to the forum.



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lstude
01-09-2007, 08:30 PM
Thanks for posting that. I would like to see photos of the car and it's progress. Welcome to the forum.



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Dick Steinkamp
01-09-2007, 08:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelover

I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car


Rodney,
It takes a big person to admit a mistake and say what you said. You've got my respect.



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Dick Steinkamp
01-09-2007, 08:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelover

I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car


Rodney,
It takes a big person to admit a mistake and say what you said. You've got my respect.



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studelark
01-09-2007, 08:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelover

I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car I bought from West Virginia on sunday, It doesen't have frame damage the hood did not close because the air dam under the car was hit by something and mangiled. The trunk did not close because of a mishap with the bumper probally some years ago as we put a come-along on it and now everything is fine. I called the seller and told him and thanked him for the car, My initial reaction was premature and my generalization was uncalled for, I want to appoligize to the forum for making a blanket remark and It will not happen again. To all the Studebaker folks your reputation is intact and I look forward to being a proud owner when my car is finished thanks!

Studebakers forever!


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Rodney, you're a good, honest man. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and hitting a home run with a lot of Studebaker nuts. Not many would have done what you did publicly. Even calling the prior owner took guts when you could have simply not dialed that number. Peace.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

studelark
01-09-2007, 08:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by studelover

I want to clear up something here before moving on about the car I bought from West Virginia on sunday, It doesen't have frame damage the hood did not close because the air dam under the car was hit by something and mangiled. The trunk did not close because of a mishap with the bumper probally some years ago as we put a come-along on it and now everything is fine. I called the seller and told him and thanked him for the car, My initial reaction was premature and my generalization was uncalled for, I want to appoligize to the forum for making a blanket remark and It will not happen again. To all the Studebaker folks your reputation is intact and I look forward to being a proud owner when my car is finished thanks!

Studebakers forever!


=====================================================================
Rodney, you're a good, honest man. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and hitting a home run with a lot of Studebaker nuts. Not many would have done what you did publicly. Even calling the prior owner took guts when you could have simply not dialed that number. Peace.

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA

bams50
01-09-2007, 08:52 PM
GREAT to hear... now LET'S GET THAT OLD GIRL BACK IN SHAPE!!:D[8D]

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Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
01-09-2007, 08:52 PM
GREAT to hear... now LET'S GET THAT OLD GIRL BACK IN SHAPE!!:D[8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bigaadams
01-09-2007, 09:13 PM
Glad to hear that the frame has a clean bill of health..being the second Stude I can understand you immediate concern with the findings. Would make a number of people nervous. Now..back to work..

bigaadams
01-09-2007, 09:13 PM
Glad to hear that the frame has a clean bill of health..being the second Stude I can understand you immediate concern with the findings. Would make a number of people nervous. Now..back to work..