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Sdude
07-27-2009, 12:24 PM
I just went to the hardware store to see if they could make a key for the trunk of my Studebaker. The guy went on to tell me how they don't make Studebakers anymore as they went out of business after merging with Rambler and becoming American Motors.

I tried to politely correct him but he got a little snippy with me because, as he said, he used to own a Studebaker. I told him I currently own 3 Studebakers and he had his car history a little mixed up. I also told him I knew what I was talking about as I teach Studebaker history at the California Automobile Museum.

He still wanted to argue and I didn't so I walked out. He also told me you can't get Studebaker parts anymore. I know it shouldn't bother me but it did. I would never argue with him about hammers.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
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Skip Lackie
07-27-2009, 12:32 PM
It's never easy to suffer fools gladly, but next time, just try to nod politely and smile. As they say, never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

raoul5788
07-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Like the expression says, you can't fix stupid!


Chip
'63 Cruiser daily driver
'57 Packard wagon on the road!

Sdude
07-27-2009, 12:38 PM
Thanks Skip - I did just smile and nod politely but it just got under my skin. I like the saying about teaching a pig to sing. I'll try to remember that one next time (and there will be a next time). It will help me to smile as I nod politely.

Jon Stalnaker
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Pat Dilling
07-27-2009, 12:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie

It's never easy to suffer fools gladly, but next time, just try to nod politely and smile. As they say, never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC


Yes, and also never wrestle with a pig, you just end up dirty and you eventually find out that the pig likes it!

Pat

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jclary
07-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Just another good reason to try and keep a turning
Wheels in your car. As part of my friendly banter with my X brand buddies...I tease them about how difficult it is becoming to find parts for the "common" brands and point out the unmatched quality of the Studebaker family with its network of publications, parts suppliers, and state chapters.:):):)

As far as the Hardware guy...with the Home Depots and Lowes available...hardware stores are about as rare as Studebakers.:(

John Clary
Greer, SC
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scott.rodgers
07-27-2009, 12:58 PM
That new, very thick SI catalog can be used as a weapon against those who say Studebaker parts are hard to get. You can either show it to them or clonk them over the head with it.

Scott Rodgers
Los Angeles
SDC Member since 1989
'60 Lark HT
'63 Wagonaire

tutone63
07-27-2009, 01:17 PM
I understand your fustration. I have had my fair share of guys who think that they know everything there is to know about studebakers, then end up telling me the story of nash or hudson. Oh well. Did you end up with your key before you left, though?

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Sdude
07-27-2009, 01:45 PM
No key from Ace hardware but I can find one on page 33 of my Studebaker International catalog. I can have it in a couple of days. I may need to go back to Ace to have them cut it though. Hope they don't mess it up since I have to send away for the slug.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
Karel Staple Chapter SDC
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Sdude
07-27-2009, 01:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by jclary

Just another good reason to try and keep a turning
Wheels in your car. As part of my friendly banter with my X brand buddies...I tease them about how difficult it is becoming to find parts for the "common" brands and point out the unmatched quality of the Studebaker family with its network of publications, parts suppliers, and state chapters.:):):)

As far as the Hardware guy...with the Home Depots and Lowes available...hardware stores are about as rare as Studebakers.:(

John Clary
Greer, SC
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Life... is what happens as you are making plans.
SDC member since 1975
I always keep a copy of Turning Wheels in my truck. I like the April 2008 edition because of the inside front cover photo.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
Karel Staple Chapter SDC
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barnlark
07-27-2009, 01:55 PM
What's their phone number? Let's all call and ask if they make keys for Studebakers since we heard there's an AMC historian making them. [:o)]

DEEPNHOCK
07-27-2009, 02:19 PM
I run into this once and a while.
I just smile a wicked smile and say "It still amazes me how much money they are worth today"
That shuts 'em up....
Jeff[8D]

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63t-cab
07-27-2009, 03:13 PM
Funny thing with some folks,you can'nt teach them "but they sure can learn!"

Joseph R. Zeiger

Studegirl
07-27-2009, 04:00 PM
I've encountered my fair share of "Studebaker historians"; it's even more fun when you are relatively young and female. I once had a guy at an all makes car show tell me my Avanti was made out of aluminum, he knew because he had seen one without paint. I just smiled nicely and nodded and rolled my eyes as soon as he turned away. Even more fun was having my Avanti at the drag strip and explaining the 289 engine was not a Ford engine. Sometimes you can smile and nod and other times, it's just so aggravating. I like the idea of calling the Hardware store and asking if they make Stude keys ;)

Michelle (Myer) Chernisky
Heart of Ohio Chapter, SDC
60 Lark Convertible
64 Avanti

Andy R.
07-27-2009, 04:18 PM
In a retail setting, I generally ask politely, "So you DON'T want my business, then?"[:0]:D

Most Locksmiths I've encountered relish the challenge of finding/making keys for mine...also makes a good story for them when they get home.

Note: One set of keys that came with my car used the Mopar "pentagon" key blanks - they work perfectly. I just use the fancy aluminum Studebaker keys for show.

Andy
62 GT

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rockinhawk
07-27-2009, 04:20 PM
The best one i'v had was this loudmouth who came up to me while I was stopped at a stop sign in my 65 Daytona. He began to tell me about the 55 Studebaker Speedster Roadster that he bought new in 54. It had a supercharged Packard V12 in it. Came from the factory that way. They didn't make many because they were so fast, they were dangerous! NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
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007
07-27-2009, 04:21 PM
I am still chuckling about Skip's comments regarding teaching Pigs to sing. As a former peace officer I would get very annoyed if someone tried to teach me to sing-Now if you wanted to know about donuts I maybe able to tell you something. Actually cops eating donuts are a bit of a misnomer I think the young cadets all eat bagels now.
Anyway Jon the topic of a 289 Ford motor installed in a Studebaker came up again at my last car show. And of course which was a new one for me my OHV(Stude) was obviously an International six. Actually come to think about donut shops they say the safest place to own a house is near a donut shop-hummmmmmm!
Regards Mark

StudeRich
07-27-2009, 04:29 PM
Jon, I would do that: take the Stude. logo key blamks from S.I. in to that same Hardware store to that same "Auto Historian" that thinks Stude. parts don't exist, to be cut! See what he thinks about that, don't say anything, let him bury himself! Maybe armed with the S.I. Catalog, in case he thinks you just got lucky on one isolated part!

StudeRich

Mark57
07-27-2009, 05:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie
As they say, never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Skip Lackie


EI EI OHHH!! ;):D

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
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Sdude
07-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Thanks everybody.... I feel better now.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
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tluz
07-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I was at a car show this weekend and an otherwise sane car guy, upon hearing that I am working on an Avanti, told me that AMC put Packard engines in the Rambler. I am no expert but that one sounded strange; as far as I know the last Packard engine was used in 1958 or so and AMC never used one for any purpose. I didn't argue with him, instead taking the above advice and nodding politely. Anybody know whether there's anything to what he said?

jclary
07-27-2009, 08:43 PM
Someone might want to take this into a separate topic, but...in the back of my mind, I remember, either in the late '60's or early '70's, there was a threat to charge the big three with anti-trust suits due to the state of the automotive industry... because of all the independents closing shop. In light of the situation, there was some cooperation between Ford, GM, and Chrysler to assist AMC and keep them afloat as a viable auto manufacturer and to keep the Fed's at bay. Any truth to this? Anybody on the forum have any factual information that debunks or supports this?

John Clary
Greer, SC
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BobPalma
07-27-2009, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by tluz

I was at a car show this weekend and an otherwise sane car guy, upon hearing that I am working on an Avanti, told me that AMC put Packard engines in the Rambler. I am no expert but that one sounded strange; as far as I know the last Packard engine was used in 1958 or so and AMC never used one for any purpose. I didn't argue with him, instead taking the above advice and nodding politely. Anybody know whether there's anything to what he said?


:) Well, Tom, if you stretch it a bit, he was kinda right.

First, the Packard V-8 went out of production at the end of the 1956 model year. It was not fitted to anyone's 1957 or later models of anything.

Second, here's where your "otherwise sane car guy" has some basis for his assertion: AMC did purchase and use Packard V-8s as an optional engine for 1955 and early 1956 Nash Ambassadors, and 1955 and early 1956 Hudson Hornets.

Many people think all AMC products were "Ramblers," much as they think all Studebaker Hawks are Golden Hawks, or all Studebaker non-Hawks starting in 1959 are Larks.

So if you cut him a little slack for using the name "Rambler" when he should have said Nash Ambassador and/or Hudson Hornet, he was correct in making the statement he did. (Of course, AMC was also making Ramblers in 1955 and 1956, but none of them had a Packard V-8 optional.) :DBP

DEEPNHOCK
07-27-2009, 09:29 PM
Now my head hurts.:(..
Next thing you know we'll be talking about 401 AMC engines in International trucks (or was it MV440 Int'l engines in AMC's??[:0];)
I can't keep up with the modern stuff, and y'all are confusin' me with the old stuff[:p]
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


quote:Originally posted by tluz

I was at a car show this weekend and an otherwise sane car guy, upon hearing that I am working on an Avanti, told me that AMC put Packard engines in the Rambler. I am no expert but that one sounded strange; as far as I know the last Packard engine was used in 1958 or so and AMC never used one for any purpose. I didn't argue with him, instead taking the above advice and nodding politely. Anybody know whether there's anything to what he said?


:) Well, Tom, if you stretch it a bit, he was kinda right.

First, the Packard V-8 went out of production at the end of the 1956 model year. It was not fitted to anyone's 1957 or later models of anything.

Second, here's where your "otherwise sane car guy" has some basis for his assertion: AMC did purchase and use Packard V-8s as an optional engine for 1955 and early 1956 Nash Ambassadors, and 1955 and early 1956 Hudson Hornets.

Many people think all AMC products were "Ramblers," much as they think all Studebaker Hawks are Golden Hawks, or all Studebaker non-Hawks starting in 1959 are Larks.

So if you cut him a little slack for using the name "Rambler" when he should have said Nash Ambassador and/or Hudson Hornet, he was correct in making the statement he did. (Of course, AMC was also making Ramblers in 1955 and 1956, but none of them had a Packard V-8 optional.) :DBP

jclary
07-27-2009, 09:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Now my head hurts.:(..
Next thing you know we'll be talking about 401 AMC engines in International trucks (or was it MV440 Int'l engines in AMC's??[:0];)
I can't keep up with the modern stuff, and y'all are confusin' me with the old stuff[:p]
Jeff[8D]

:)Wow Jeff...Thanks for reminding me...about the most powerful stock vehicle I ever owned was a 1971 International Travel-All with the AMC 401 engine. That big Box of a wagon could squeeze nearly 13mpg on a good day.:D:)[8D]

John Clary
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Thomas63R2
07-27-2009, 10:08 PM
You guys are much too nice. In the same kinds of encounters I very quickly tell them: "What a load of crap." Few who are like this care about factual reality, they like to misremember because it is easier and funner. Some are just idiots who want to see how much effort you will put up in defense - to see if you will take the bait and run with it. They often make similar semi-insulting declarations on a variety of subjects throughout the day. If you were to hang out with them you would find that they are real life Cliff Clavin's (unfortunately there is a Studebaker connection with Cliff: at one point in the Cheer's storyline Cliffie had a Studebaker).

Now if instead of giving me their alternate reality version of history they instead form their thoughts as a question then I'll entertain them for as long as they want to stick around.

Thomas

Long time hot rodder
Packrat junk collector
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed

edpjr
07-27-2009, 10:45 PM
Hey, I posted the "what if" Studebaker had merged with AMC and Checker thread awhile back. I guess in this hardware guy's dimension or parallel universe, it actually happened....

maxpower1954
07-27-2009, 11:26 PM
I used to get all wrapped around the axle about this subject, but I've found most people who babble on about what they know about Studebakers are geniunely interested in your car, and want to "impress" you with their "knowledge". When I used to correct every misstatement about Avantis were made in Canada, Ford 289s, ect most of them looked a little deflated about it. What Joe Blow thinks
he knows about our cars doesn't really have any bearing on the future of the Studebaker hobby or the legacy of the Studebaker company. What matters is what we think.

From "The Simpsons"; after Lisa corrected Homer on some minor point of history, Homer replied in a flat toneless voice "Thank you for correcting me, Lisa...people enjoy being corrected..." It did make me think about that, I'll have to admit. Russ Farris

candbstudebakers
07-28-2009, 12:51 AM
Jon, come to the Roseville car show tomorrow and I should have a key that fits your trunk, they only made about 6 different ones for trunks I open them all the time, Like the old John Wayne saying " Life is tough, but its tougher if your stupid"....Bob





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4961Studebaker
07-28-2009, 09:49 AM
does anyone have a picture of a Ford 289 side by side a Stude 289?

Might have to carry one around in the wallet next time were all at cruise in. [:0]

Hey Mr. Historian, here's the kids, and OH YEAH my 289's [B)][B)][B)][}:)];)

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Allan Songer
07-28-2009, 09:50 AM
Wow Jeff...Thanks for reminding me...about the most powerful stock vehicle I ever owned was a 1971 International Travel-All with the AMC 401 engine. That big Box of a wagon could squeeze nearly 13mpg on a good day.:D:)[8D]

Perhaps the most frightenly quick street car I have ever been in was an AMC Gremlin with a BUILT 401 and a 4-speed with a insanely tall (4.44?) locker rear end. Buddy of mine built this beast back in the early 80's. It was purple with Levis denim FACTORY seat covers. He freaked out quite a few guys who thought their big block steet racers were quick.

Roscomacaw
07-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Ah yes......Stude Commanders used the 232 from 1951 thru 1954. Then AMC revived it in 1965! They musta bought the tooling to build it - right after Studebaker switched to Chevy motors.[B)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

rockne10
07-28-2009, 08:32 PM
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bams50
07-28-2009, 09:13 PM
LOL! Brad, not only do they look similar to the untrained eye, the Ford actually looks bigger[:0] Which is, of course, no comparison.

We need the two side-by-side in the same picture... desperately....:D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

MikeValent
07-29-2009, 11:22 AM
Sometimes arrogance helps. I can't feel insulted by anything a guy who's making keys in a hardware store might say. The fellow's making keys in a hardware store.

If arrogance doesn't work, there's always forced humility. Last night I e-mailed a friend up north a description of the end of last night's Braves-Marlins game. Wrote it as good as a sportswriter... until this morning when reading the newspaper made me realize the Braves home run came in the 9th instead of the 8th as I'd written and it came off our closer who I'd written had allowed one hit but no runs. So I materially screwed up recalling a memory no more than a half-hour old.

If humility won't cut it, there's the enjoyment of enjoying the enjoyment of people who come up to me and ask or comment about the car. I've gotten to the point of almost feeling bad to tell them my probably condition 4 Avanti isn't an expensive exotic Italian car.

MikeV
Pompano Beach, FL
83 Avanti 377I

Johnnywiffer
07-29-2009, 02:32 PM
When I am working a show, wearing the T-shirt with my ’54 LC on it, it says “MINE!! in pretty big letters.

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Invariably, someone will come up and say, “Is that your car?”

“Yep, that’s why it says ‘MINE!!’ right there.”

Some will ask, “What kinda car is it?”

“Studebaker.”

At this point, they will either say, “Oh? Who makes ‘em” OR “Is it a Golden Hawk?”

If it’s the 1st question (and depending on my mood), I’ll USUALLY say, “IBM” or “Coca-Cola”

If it’s the 2nd question, I’m usually pretty civil and say, “Nope, Land Cruiser .”

At that point, they either had a friend that had “One o’ them supercharged Golden Hawk Grand Turisimos. That thang fell apart once’t when he was a-racin’ a Corvette” OR “Yep, those Studebalers were pretty good cars. Always wondered why they stopped makin’ ‘em.”

I NEVER go into Company history NOR correct the error. If they TRULY want to know about MY car—and you can tell by the questions—I’ll answer their questions. But I never get involved in a battle. Life’s too short.

I’ve met some really interesting people and some REAL dolts.

But, short or long--life’s an adventure!

John

buddymander
07-29-2009, 05:01 PM
Ive noticed that as time goes on, more and more people are comparing the 289 ford to the 289 studebaker; looking for the similarities that made so many people think that studebaker used ford engines. Not the case. The studebaker resembles the ford 272-292-312. The valve covers are close to identical, and the external dimensions and weight are about the same. Also, both have the rear mounted distributor and the intake manifolds are both raised above the separate valley cover. What started out as a junkyard confusion eventually became a parts book confusion. I looked at a 56 ford for sale a while back and was imagining installing my full-flow 289 into it just for laffs.

fastfritz
07-29-2009, 05:34 PM
Those "experts" are everywhere.

I guess the same folks would confuse the Rambler 327 with a Chevy 327 as well?[:o)][:0]

On a side note, ever notice that every HOT Chevy out there has a "Corvette" engine according to the owner?? Makes you wonder how many Corvettes must be parked out there with their hoods up and engines missing???[xx(]

Frank Remlinger
SDC# A004602R
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BobPalma
07-29-2009, 10:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by fastfritz

On a side note, ever notice that every HOT Chevy out there has a "Corvette" engine according to the owner?? Makes you wonder how many Corvettes must be parked out there with their hoods up and engines missing???[xx(]

Frank Remlinger


:) Frank, you are about ten years too young to remember when virtually every fast Ford had a Thunderbird engine in it!;) That predates the Corvette engine generalization by a few years, probably because Ford actually put the word Thunderbird on the exterior script of 1956 Ford cars so equipped.

Conversely, unless I've forgotten something, Chevrolet never put a script that said Corvette engine (or some such), on the exterior of full-size Chevrolets so equipped. The words Fuel Injection were about as close as they came, IIRC. :DBP

bams50
07-29-2009, 10:26 PM
True, Bob, they never actually called any engine a "Corvette" engine specifically. Back in the day most any engine with the double-hump (camel-back) 194 heads and ram's horn center-dump manifolds was called a "Corvette" engine, regardless of what car it came from. Today, they frequently don't even look for those minimal criteria to use the name[xx(]

"Thunderbird" has to be the coolest car/engine name EVER.[8D] Not that Mini-Moke wasn't right up there:D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

fastfritz
07-30-2009, 06:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

True, Bob, they never actually called any engine a "Corvette" engine specifically. Back in the day most any engine with the double-hump (camel-back) 194 heads and ram's horn center-dump manifolds was called a "Corvette" engine, regardless of what car it came from. Today, they frequently don't even look for those minimal criteria to use the name[xx(]



The only criteria these Chevy owners used was the fact they had a four barrel on top of a small block Chevy under the hood, so it MUST be a Corvette engine! ;)

Frank Remlinger
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fastfritz
07-30-2009, 06:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Frank, you are about ten years too young to remember when virtually every fast Ford had a Thunderbird engine in it!;) That predates the Corvette engine generalization by a few years, probably because Ford actually put the word Thunderbird on the exterior script of 1956 Ford cars so equipped.




I grew up in a Chevy neighborhood (in the shadow of the GM Tech Center in Warren, MI) so we didn't have a lot of Ford guys hanging out around there. A guy I worked with had a '56 Ford with the 312 and sure enough, it had a T-Bird engine in it according to him.

Frank Remlinger
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Sdude
07-30-2009, 08:06 AM
Hey, sombody put Corvette 327 valve covers on the 283 in my 65 Commander. I don't have to tell anybody the truth. I just let them think it's a Corvette engine. It's easier to say yes than to explain the truth.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
Karel Staple Chapter SDC
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Johnnywiffer
07-30-2009, 08:44 AM
I once put a Ferrari prancing horse emblem on the back of my X1/9.

"Z'at a Ferrari?" they'd ask.

"Does it say 'Ferrari'?"

"Yep"

"Well, you decide."

"Sure is little."

"Yep, I think it escaped before it was finished."

John

StudHawk60
07-30-2009, 10:03 AM
One of my favorites is that if it has tailfins, it HAS to be a '57. :(

BobPalma
07-30-2009, 10:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by fastfritz

I grew up in a Chevy neighborhood (in the shadow of the GM Tech Center in Warren, MI) so we didn't have a lot of Ford guys hanging out around there. A guy I worked with had a '56 Ford with the 312 and sure enough, it had a T-Bird engine in it according to him.

Frank Remlinger


:) He wasn't pulling your leg or misrepresenting the car, Frank. If it was a factory 312 in a 1956 Ford, it was considered the Thunderbird Special engine. The car would have had stylized, wedge-shaped wing emblems denoting same on each front fender, in front of the front wheel openings. :DBP

Skip Lackie
07-30-2009, 10:34 AM
No disagreement with the above discussion re Corvette engines, but it's worth noting that it was not uncommon for Chevy to offer exactly the same engine in both the Vette and (at least) some Chevys. I have a 62 Impala with the 300 hp 327 in it, and except for the serial number stamped on the block, it's the same engine as was offered in the Corvette.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

PsychoBob
07-30-2009, 12:42 PM
I once had my Stude pickup at a car show around here and had a very "knowledgeable" fellow inform me that Studebaker never made trucks! And while we were standing right beside mine! He knew what he was talking about, he told me, because "his mother had a 1949 Studebaker Bullet Nose".

JBOYLE
07-30-2009, 12:59 PM
Lighten up guys....:D
Hearing stupid stories is just another fun part of Studebaker ownership!

In the short time I've owned my Avanti, I've heard...

Made in Canada?
289..a Ford engine?
Good looking steel body, you know they switched to fiberglass in Canada...
Studebaker, Never heard of them (this from a middle-aged guy.)...
That a Jag-wire?

Oh well. It's the price of owning something different.
I'm sure it beats owning a 57 Chevy and constantly hearing...
"I had one in high school..." or "My dad had one..."
or the ever popular "I had the chance to buy a perfect convertible for $250...".

At least the stories we hear are funny...:D




63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

4961Studebaker
07-30-2009, 03:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
I'm sure it beats owning a 57 Chevy and constantly hearing...


Or owning a 56 and having people constantly asking if it's a 57!

:DGuy I work with WISHES to be asked a different question.:D I just laugh [}:)], because when he gets the look from someone about to ask a question, he beats them to it by saying.....You like the 56? as he shakes their hand.

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg

Skinnys Garage
07-30-2009, 03:32 PM
Back in the '80's my '59 was sitting at my dads gas station and a fellow came in to pay for his "high priced fuel" and complained to him that he (my dad) was making too much money. My dad questioned him on his reasoning and the guy replied as serious as a heart attack:
"Well, some of us can't afford a Mercedes!":D:D

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

Johnnywiffer
07-31-2009, 09:26 AM
Here is a guy who evidently got tired of answering questions....

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/avan4a.jpg

John