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bams50
07-19-2009, 11:16 PM
I bought what appears to be a 64 GT, R1/Powershift Hawk while at CeRap. Appears to be a straight, clean car, CA car it's whole life. Runs, drives, and stops.

Plans are to get it from CA to NY, tinker with it, clean it up, drive it a little, and sell it- AKA doing a JDP:) That or have Sal get it and prep for eBay; still deciding.

Times dictate that I can't spend any significant money on any keepers just now; so this will be a decent alternative (I hope!) If you're looking for one of these, keep it in mind...

Here's a couple teaser pics:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/R1GT.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/R1GT2.jpg

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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jlmccuan
07-19-2009, 11:27 PM
AC car? What price range do you expect?

Jim
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Bullet
07-19-2009, 11:27 PM
Nice looking car!

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bams50
07-19-2009, 11:30 PM
No A/C, Jim. P/S, P/B, full gauges including tach, though. Will post VIN and engine #s tomorrow when I get them.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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cool 1953
07-19-2009, 11:55 PM
clean lookin car.

clayton-rip chicken hawk!

jlmccuan
07-20-2009, 01:17 AM
Maybe you need a driver to bring it east for you And further evaluate it's condition. A driver who might become a buyer?

Jim
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

barnlark
07-20-2009, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by cool 1953

clean lookin car.

Clayton, you should buy this car and get rid of the rust bucket Bob says that you have now. ;):D This looks like a great car and can be used for another show and tell at school! Close to you, too.

Aussie Hawk
07-20-2009, 02:53 AM
If only it had the steering wheel on the correct side I'd take it off your hands:D

Looks like a good buy.

Matt
Brisbane
Australia

bams50
07-20-2009, 05:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by jlmccuan

Maybe you need a driver to bring it east for you And further evaluate it's condition. A driver who might become a buyer?


Jim, it's not ready for a trip yet; been sitting in storage for a long time. He just put a new master cylinder in but said the brakes "still need work"... Owner is a checkbook restorer who is already in over his head with two other cars in the process, which is why he let this one go.

I'll keep you posted on what develops. I can't keep it but hopefully I can get to drive it a little:)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
07-20-2009, 09:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by jlmccuan

What price range do you expect?


To be determined. When I know more about the car I'll be able to answer. The goal is to sell well under market, and I think that will be the case. I'll let you know when I figure that out.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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raprice
07-20-2009, 11:15 AM
It looks pretty nice from here. Usually, by looking at the interior, you can get an idea about how it was cared for. This looks good.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

cool 1953
07-20-2009, 06:02 PM
Barnlark.ha ha...that would be a great idea..hmmm have any ideas on how i could convince him to buy it?? ha ha..clayton

clayton-rip chicken hawk!

JDP
07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50


quote:Originally posted by jlmccuan

What price range do you expect?


To be determined. When I know more about the car I'll be able to answer. The goal is to sell well under market, and I think that will be the case. I'll let you know when I figure that out.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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Selling a R1 GT well under market should be easy, I just did.:)

JDP/Maryland

bams50
07-20-2009, 08:25 PM
OK, it's not an R1 engine. Number is PH514- 64 289, correct? Still wondering if it's an R1 car with an engine swap. Seller's going to call back with the VIN.

There's another possible problem: He read the VIN off the title as 64V-1527. That sounds like it's off the body tag under the hood, not the VIN. He's double-checking it. If that's the case, is it a problem? I would think so- but then maybe it's accepted practice. If not, seems like a deal-breaker to me... Any guidance on that would be much appreciated!

Seller said it was 114 degrees there an hour ago, and when it cooled off a little he'd check the VIN and call back; I'll post it as soon as he does so.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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JDP
07-20-2009, 08:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

OK, it's not an R1 engine. Number is PH514- 64 289, correct? Still wondering if it's an R1 car with an engine swap. Seller's going to call back with the VIN.

There's another possible problem: He read the VIN off the title as 64V-1527. That sounds like it's off the body tag under the hood, not the VIN. He's double-checking it. If that's the case, is it a problem? I would think so- but then maybe it's accepted practice. If not, seems like a deal-breaker to me... Any guidance on that would be much appreciated!

Seller said it was 114 degrees there an hour ago, and when it cooled off a little he'd check the VIN and call back; I'll post it as soon as he does so.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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Serial sounds correct, but not a Avanti powered car.

JDP/Maryland

bams50
07-20-2009, 08:46 PM
Alright. Now I have a decision to make:

1. Have it in my yard at $5K or a little more and see how it cleans up; then eBay it and see where it goes

2. Ask Sal if he wants to JDP it there in CA and try it on eBay

3. Offer it "where is" to the Forum for $4500

If it was an R1 car #1 was what I wanted to do. I took a chance based on the floor shifter, chrome valve covers and 4 bbl. In any case it's still reasonable money, so if I lost it wouldn't be too much.

If anyone's interested, e-mail me at bams50@msn.com .

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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barnlark
07-20-2009, 09:20 PM
Don't you have a lonely R2 to throw in it?

bams50
07-20-2009, 09:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Don't you have a lonely R2 to throw in it?


I do- if it was a keeper... just can't keep it now:(

Besides, if I put that in I'd have to get at least a couple hundred more!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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Dwain G.
07-20-2009, 09:37 PM
In that engine number, I'm thinking the '5' is really a '3'.

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HEY, you're not Wilbur!

bams50
07-20-2009, 09:41 PM
Could be, Dwain, for all I know. I was mostly listening for a "J" that never came[xx(];)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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studegary
07-20-2009, 09:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

In that engine number, I'm thinking the '5' is really a '3'.



Good catch, Dwain! I don't think that Studebaker built any 289s in 1965 <G>.

This car is very close to my 1964 Hawk that was also black with red interior, 289, AT, no-A/C.

If the car was in NY, I could be interested, but so would a lot of other people if it was on eBay.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

JeffDeWitt
07-20-2009, 10:03 PM
If that car is anywhere as good as it looks I'd jump on it in a New York minute for $4500!

Jeff DeWitt
http://carolinastudes.net
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barnlark
07-20-2009, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Dwain G.

In that engine number, I'm thinking the '5' is really a '3'.

Was wondering that myself. Is it an August 14, 1963 built engine? Isn't that date precariously close to a 1964 engine? Still learning this code stuff.

studee64
07-20-2009, 10:53 PM
Bob,

I show this 64 Hawk as Block PH314, not 514..Body tag is 64VK 6 177 and VIN shows as 64V-1527.



Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

bams50
07-21-2009, 12:45 PM
Update- seller verifies that the VIN on the pillar tag is indeed 64V-1527. Could this be a non-Powershift trans. with the floor shifter, or maybe a non-R 289 with powershift?

The car has full gauges including tach, floor shift, 4 bbl. and chrome valve covers. Don't usually see all that on a non-R series.

Anybody know any more about it based on the VIN besides what Barry listed? Thanks for that, Barry!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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klifton1
07-21-2009, 12:59 PM
The numbers are not listed in the 1964 Jet Thrust Studebaker Production Summary.
Klif

55 Speedster
63 Avanti R2
63 Lark R2

Dick Steinkamp
07-21-2009, 01:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Update- seller verifies that the VIN on the pillar tag is indeed 64V-1527. Could this be a non-Powershift trans. with the floor shifter, or maybe a non-R 289 with powershift?

The car has full gauges including tach, floor shift, 4 bbl. and chrome valve covers. Don't usually see all that on a non-R series.



No such thing as a non powershift with a floor shifter.

A powershift (always floor shifted) with a non R motor was common.

A tach and 4 bbl were also common non R options.








Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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StudeRich
07-21-2009, 01:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Could this be a non-Powershift trans. with the floor shifter, or maybe a non-R 289 with powershift?

BINGO! It is an ordinary 289 4V with optional Power Shift Automatic, which I am sure the build slip will show.

Bob, the Flight-O-Matic or H.D. Flight-O-Matic would not work with that shifter because of the different shift pattern.

Actually this is a very common way that 1964 GT's were ordered, a large number have the Power Shift Trans. on '64's, also a fair amount with the AFB 4 Brl.! [:p]

Also, the Engine Dress-up Kit or chromed valve covers only, is not uncommon either. [:0]

It does not have an R1 flash chromed (Satin finish) air cleaner does it?

StudeRich

JDP
07-21-2009, 02:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich


quote:Originally posted by bams50

Could this be a non-Powershift trans. with the floor shifter, or maybe a non-R 289 with powershift?

BINGO! It is an ordinary 289 4V with optional Power Shift Automatic, which I am sure the build slip will show.

Bob, the Flight-O-Matic or H.D. Flight-O-Matic would not work with that shifter because of the different shift pattern.

Actually this is a very common way that 1964 GT's were ordered, a large number have the Power Shift Trans. on '64's, also a fair amount with the AFB 4 Brl.! [:p]

Also, the Engine Dress-up Kit or chromed valve covers only, is not uncommon either. [:0]

It does not have an R1 flash chromed (Satin finish) air cleaner does it?

StudeRich


Not to mention the 100's of $9.95 dress up kits sold by Newman and Altman.

JDP/Maryland

studegary
07-21-2009, 03:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Originally posted by Dwain G.

In that engine number, I'm thinking the '5' is really a '3'.

Was wondering that myself. Is it an August 14, 1963 built engine? Isn't that date precariously close to a 1964 engine? Still learning this code stuff.


The number is a 1964 model year engine number (when the 5 is corrected to a 3).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer